🇧🇷 Oscar

[Parky 739]

4 hours ago, Robguima said:

Don't worry he's gone.

we should get the genius coutinho to replace him. Have you seen what he did against Sevilla today?! A joy to behold!

But Oscar is Brazil's #10 wonderkid! 

[Styles 9,790]

4 hours ago, Robguima said:

Don't worry he's gone.

we should get the genius coutinho to replace him. Have you seen what he did against Sevilla today?! A joy to behold!

What does Oscar being shit have to do with Coutinho?

[robsblubot 3,595]

@Styles

Are you new here?:)

seriously though, despite oscar having not delivered at Chelsea, which is something anyone can agree with, before he joined us he was one the most promising CAMs in the world - videos and numbers are there.

he was a VERY different player then: extremely creative and not hard working at all - ironically people used to say that was his deficiency. 

Matters not at this point. It would be too risky to wait for him to wake up in the coming seasons - need to try something different.

just not coutinho...;)

[Captain Ahmed 528]

Sky Sports-Oscar wants to stay at Chelsea and prove himself under Antonio Conte

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Oscar has revealed to Sky Sports News HQ the extent of his frustration at a lack of playing time this season but insists he wants to stay at Chelsea and prove himself under new manager Antonio Conte.The 24-year-old Brazil international has made 20 Premier League starts after an early-season injury and is reportedly attracting interest from a host of top European clubs including Juventus.But, speaking ahead of their penultimate game of the season at Liverpool, live on Sky Sports 2 HD on Wednesday night, Oscar says Conte's arrival is a clean slate for the entire Chelsea squad.

"It's been very difficult for me," Oscar told Sky Sports News HQ. "I had a great season last season, and I'm coming from two or three seasons of doing well, but I was one of those players who got injured at the start of the season."When I came back, the team wasn't doing so well and I found myself on the bench and in and out of the first team. I didn't achieve the level I wanted to achieve but hopefully next season I can do better."[The new manager's arrival] is great for the players. Obviously you have to prove yourself. I'm sure the coach has been following all the players individually."It will be a breath of fresh air to the team and everyone's excited to prove their worth to be here. Obviously I haven't been very happy because I haven't been playing very much but, with the new coach coming in, it's a fresh beginning for everyone."

Sky Sports

 

[Parky 739]

Im hopping Jose will come in for Oscar at £40m+ and will build Man Utd around him. This will make me very happy..

[Jase 43,479]

The lack of stories about selling Oscar is somewhat concerning.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

I certainly don't think he's been good the past couple of seasons, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet.  I think he's better suited to a no. 8 type role, as opposed to a 10.  He's a much better central midfielder rather than a second striker.

Unless the bid is outrageous, I'd be okay with keeping him, for at least 1 season under Conte.

[Jase 43,479]

28 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I certainly don't think he's been good the past couple of seasons, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet.  I think he's better suited to a no. 8 type role, as opposed to a 10.  He's a much better central midfielder rather than a second striker.

Unless the bid is outrageous, I'd be okay with keeping him, for at least 1 season under Conte.

You may think he's more suited to the no.8 role than no.10 but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't shown any improvement and consistency in any way in his 4 years here.

[robsblubot 3,595]

On June 10, 2016 at 0:38 PM, Sideshow Luiz said:

I certainly don't think he's been good the past couple of seasons, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet.  I think he's better suited to a no. 8 type role, as opposed to a 10.  He's a much better central midfielder rather than a second striker.

Unless the bid is outrageous, I'd be okay with keeping him, for at least 1 season under Conte.

He has been wearing the 8 and playing like an 8 for quite some time.

people here have a difficulty with the notion that he is an 8 playing in a more advanced position.

and that Oscar does not fit the mold elf what a true 10 ought to be - something Oscar isn't ironically - does not play or wear 10 for Brazil either btw.

he's been poor, but I think the hate he gets around here has more to do with preferences and the team setup than Oscar himself.

if Oscar is Mikel like why is Mikel a 9mi buy and Oscar north of 20mi? 

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

1 hour ago, Robguima said:

He has been wearing the 8 and playing like an 8 for quite some time.

people here have a difficulty with the notion that he is an 8 playing in a more advanced position.

and that Oscar does not fit the mold elf what a true 10 ought to be - something Oscar isn't ironically - does not play or wear 10 for Brazil either btw.

he's been poor, but I think the hate he gets around here has more to do with preferences and the team setup than Oscar himself.

He gets hate because he hasn't improved in any facet of his game. 

Oscar is like Mikel, he just doesn't seem interested in becoming a 'better' player, he tries when he feels like it.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

10 hours ago, Robguima said:

He has been wearing the 8 and playing like an 8 for quite some time.

people here have a difficulty with the notion that he is an 8 playing in a more advanced position.

and that Oscar does not fit the mold elf what a true 10 ought to be - something Oscar isn't ironically - does not play or wear 10 for Brazil either btw.

he's been poor, but I think the hate he gets around here has more to do with preferences and the team setup than Oscar himself.

Yeah, an 8 in a system that has no 8.  He's a poor 10, doesn't have the second striker instincts.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

23 hours ago, Jason said:

You may think he's more suited to the no.8 role than no.10 but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't shown any improvement and consistency in any way in his 4 years here.

I agree.  I'm almost at the end with him.  1 more season.  I think that Conte can get the most out of him, and if that's not enough, so be it.  

[robsblubot 3,595]

11 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

He gets hate because he hasn't improved in any facet of his game. 

Oscar is like Mikel, he just doesn't seem interested in becoming a 'better' player, he tries when he feels like it.

Having watched Oscar before he joined us, I can guarantee he dramatically improved his tackling and defending in general.

a lot of players have not improved and we employ some really poor players in certain positions - as in cheap and no other top club would ever play them.

I don't disagree Oscar has been a disappointment - just with the attention he enjoys for that... since it isn't so rare in our squad of pretty average and some really poor players.

Even our good players cannot have a bad season because of our absolute lack of depth.

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

4 hours ago, Robguima said:

Having watched Oscar before he joined us, I can guarantee he dramatically improved his tackling and defending in general.

a lot of players have not improved and we employ some really poor players in certain positions - as in cheap and no other top club would ever play them.

I don't disagree Oscar has been a disappointment - just with the attention he enjoys for that... since it isn't so rare in our squad of pretty average and some really poor players.

Even our good players cannot have a bad season because of our absolute lack of depth.

The last point you made is basically a catch-22 situation.  You can't have depth if you don't know how to rotate players within the first team.

The title winning season was great, but I feel it kind of 'papered over the cracks' in terms of having a quality XI but not much backup..  

Hopefully Conte can help create some depth within the midfield as we have been lacking quality in that area for a number of seasons.  

[MefiX19 1,092]

Last summer people said the same that he will get better when he will get proper pre-season and good rest in summer. I see same again, people believe that he will get better. No, just stop he will not get better, theres no improvement after 1st season and we need to let him go or we will have another Mikel.

[Jase 43,479]

Guess Allegri is no longer interested in Oscar now that Pjanic is very close to joining Juventus.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Stuck with him it seems.

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On 6/12/2016 at 2:43 AM, MefiX19 said:

Last summer people said the same that he will get better when he will get proper pre-season and good rest in summer. I see same again, people believe that he will get better. No, just stop he will not get better, theres no improvement after 1st season and we need to let him go or we will have another Mikel.

well, not many people would bet on oscar improving and/or delivering this time around, because the trend has been flat or even downward.

Aside from faith, or some important information we don't have (e.g. chronic injury - which would be worse than lack of devel really), it's very unlikely he will turn it around with us. He might have a far better chance of doing so elsewhere in a different environment, perhaps even country. Sometimes players get too comfortable and lose their intensity on the pitch.

I get the comparisons with Mikel, but it goes into my point that some players get undeserved attention, while others get a free pass. Oscar has had MotM performances for us and Brazil - and several for internacional, prior to joining us. Yes, none lately, but other players on the squad have only heard of MotM because it's something unattainable for them.

In my mind I see everything in a competitive way: is this player capable of giving us an edge against the opposition? Some players have, like hazard in the past, given us that edge against any opposition. Others do so in only specific conditions: counter, no pressure, etc. While others never, ever have the ability to win matches. They can fill gaps but don't really give you an edge. I have other issues with Mikel's game that don't belong here.

Perhaps Oscar enjoys so much attention because the expectations on him were so high; to become a player who could give us the edge as Hazard does (did last season).

[LAM09 7,056]

I hope his transfer away from here is imminent.

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

4 hours ago, LAM09 said:

I hope his transfer away from here is imminent.

He won't be going anywhere as I don't see any clubs being interested in him.

I had hopes that Juventus would sign him...but with the addition of Pjanic, they don't really need another midfielder.