🇧🇷 Oscar

[didierforever 7,349]

Oscar to PSG £40m

Koke to Chelsea

Summer 2015, please.

i love koke but no.

pogba would be perfect and cesc as the no.10.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Willian hasn't contributed more than 4 goals this season, let's face it oscar is still more creative.

But against bigger teams, the more players who can keep the ball under pressure and cover distance with speed, the better the attacking in those games. Unless the big team doesn't press and let's us have the ball.

[DH1988 1,348]

Koke not a n10 and Koke would essentially replace Cesc.

Oscar not a n10

[Oscar 441]

Oscar not a n10

i dont think you've seen Koke play if you think he can play the n10 role for Chelsea... Koke is like a better and more physical version of KDB, without the wicked shooting ability KDB possessess.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Carzola is at the end of his development at 30 years old Oscar is 23 and when Santi was that age no one here knew of him.. Younger players need time and patience to develop .. We have the same members that want Oscar replaced also want Jose to bring players like baker boga rlc and solanke into the team.. If we were to do that and they show inconsistencies we'll be looking to buy a prospect from another team.. you can't ask for patience for certain players and completely right off others that hypocritical..

and by you I don't mean you in particular its a general YOU to the usual suspects that wait for a poor Oscar performance to come in his thread to suit their agenda

Like I said before he's still very young, I mean look at Matic's development. Holding onto balls under pressure is the only area which he has to develop crucially imo. When you play in the center, there are bodies everywhere and if you're soft like Mata you lose the ball or pass out quickly because you're not confident enough to keep it or win a foul.

He already can't dribble, he has little chance of developing that part of his game, but if he doesn't learn how to use his back to shield the ball in tight spaces, sooner or later Mourinho will stop playing him against teams that press us.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Oscar is not the only one who goes missing in big games, so does Cesc. IDK maybe Mou negative approach has something to do with it. The most positive we played in a big game was against arsenal, confidently both were fantastic and Oscar was by many considerd MOTM.

Fabregas will usually influence a big game with an assist even if he doesn't play too well. Oscar on the other is 99% non existent in them and adds nothing.

[The Skipper 20,609]

i dont think you've seen Koke play if you think he can play the n10 role for Chelsea... Koke is like a better and more physical version of KDB, without the wicked shooting ability KDB possessess.

He doesn't have KDB's creativity either tbh. He isn't a number 10.

[The Skipper 20,609]

And have Cesc play the way Jose wants the cam to play? Highly unlikely.

If Koke was next to Matic Cesc would be allowed to play as a more natural number 10 of course...

[Jase 43,479]

If Koke was next to Matic Cesc would be allowed to play as a more natural number 10 of course...

Not too sure about that. Can Fabregas really do what Mourinho wants with his No.10 in that position? He doesn't have the stamina, workrate and mobility to be moving around the pitch for 90 minutes, like Oscar and Willian. That is why those two are often played in the No.10 position more often than not. Mourinho has played Fabregas in that role a few times this season but has never really convinced and our pressing game tends to suffer from it. Sometimes, one can see Costa going a bit mad when he's doing the all the pressing from the front and no one else really helping him.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Isn't oscar similar to Lampard in style of play? Incidentally wears the same #8...

Not that creative,but hard working and scores and assists on occasion... Just saying.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

He is young. Thats all. Give him few years and we will have one of best midfielders in the world. Consistency, experience and his influence in games will grow with each year. Only thing he has to do is get some more muscle and thats it.

Have some faith.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Not too sure about that. Can Fabregas really do what Mourinho wants with his No.10 in that position? He doesn't have the stamina, workrate and mobility to be moving around the pitch for 90 minutes, like Oscar and Willian. That is why those two are often played in the No.10 position more often than not. Mourinho has played Fabregas in that role a few times this season but has never really convinced and our pressing game tends to suffer from it. Sometimes, one can see Costa going a bit mad when he's doing the all the pressing from the front and no one else really helping him.

As discussed in the Fabregas thread, Fabregas actually covers the most distance in this team so the stamina and work rate issue is pretty void.

My main point however is that our number 10 wouldn't even need to run around or press as much if he had Koke and Matic behind him...

[The Skipper 20,609]

"Oscar is young"... Oscar is 24 later this year and is still one of the most inconsistent players you'll see despite playing week in week out. Look at someone like Zouma for example, far younger than Oscar but looks a lot more mature than him, despite being 3 years younger. This "Oscar is young" excuse is getting really tiresome.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

"Oscar is young"... Oscar is 24 later this year and is still one of the most inconsistent players you'll see despite playing week in week out. Look at someone like Zouma for example, far younger than Oscar but looks a lot more mature than him, despite being 3 years younger. This "Oscar is young" excuse is getting really tiresome.

Exactly and when you consider he has over 200 appearances at club level for Sao Paulo, Internacional and Chelsea combined and almost 50 Brazil caps at the age of 23, you'd expect him to have played enough football to have found his consistency.

You look at other young players, lets say Ross Barkley for example, Roberto Martinez said he needed at least 50-75 more starts for Everton at some point last season before people could consider if he'd be a great player or not, to let him play games and iron out the inconsistencies that all younger players have but when people are saying that a guy who will be 24 in September still needs a few years I just want to laugh.

He can be a great player but like I said in my last post here, there is a visible improvement in Christian Eriksen and more responsibility and influence in what he does at Spurs from last year, there is a visible improvement in Raheem Sterling at Liverpool and he seems to be there big game player, the guy who influences the game for them as often as he can and whenever he feels he needs to. Ideally I'd like to have seen Oscar gone year to year, improving and improving and being more influential but its not really happened, to be honest the first season under RDM and Rafa he was very very inconsistent but had an excuse having to adapt, being shifted to the wing and managerial changes, last season under Jose, the first 5 months he was our best player but again the second half of the season... inconsistent, mind on the world cup, struggled with minor injuries at times too I think Jose said. This year too, despite this run hes been on the last 8 or 9 games before the City game in terms of goals and assists or whatever it was then a pretty piss poor game where he didn't do anything particularly memorable other than the defensive side which you now expect even though hes a number 10, it just frustrates me. Now against Villa he could go and play good score/assist but then again the week after another performance where potentially you don't remember anything like a shot or a chance created.

[CFC888 219]

Not too sure about that. Can Fabregas really do what Mourinho wants with his No.10 in that position? He doesn't have the stamina, workrate and mobility to be moving around the pitch for 90 minutes, like Oscar and Willian. That is why those two are often played in the No.10 position more often than not. Mourinho has played Fabregas in that role a few times this season but has never really convinced and our pressing game tends to suffer from it. Sometimes, one can see Costa going a bit mad when he's doing the all the pressing from the front and no one else really helping him.

Agree with this. The games where Cesc has played No.10 this season are a case in point.

I'm not talking about Saturday, as he had played 300 minutes in 8 days, but in general, with regards to Oscar's poor output against the better teams:

I think it puts him to shame when you see Kurt Zouma (20 y.o. making his 2nd EPL start) come out against the reigning champions Manchester City and be comfortably our best player on the pitch. Yes they play entirely different roles, but you get the point.

[didierforever 7,349]

Isn't oscar similar to Lampard in style of play? Incidentally wears the same #8...

Not that creative,but hard working and scores and assists on occasion... Just saying.

lampard's passing was immaculate, oscar cant make a 5 5yard passes perfectly.

lampard's consistency was admirable. it was his biggest asset. did not he play every game under jose in one of the seasons in jose's first spell. not only that, 90% of lamps' performance were a 8/10 performance. oscar's best "performance" (like newcastle where he scored and assisted), barely makes a 8/10 performance.

i know people are totally against lamps but comparing oscar to lamps is a blasphemy.

ps - also please dont compare the insane goals and assists that lamps had in his career to the meagre "barely keeps me in the first team" goals and assists of oscar.

[CFC888 219]

lampard's passing was immaculate, oscar cant make a 5 5yard passes perfectly.

lampard's consistency was admirable. it was his biggest asset. did not he play every game under jose in one of the seasons in jose's first spell. not only that, 90% of lamps' performance were a 8/10 performance. oscar's best "performance" (like newcastle where he scored and assisted), barely makes a 8/10 performance.

i know people are totally against lamps but comparing oscar to lamps is a blasphemy.

ps - also please dont compare the insane goals and assists that lamps had in his career to the meagre "barely keeps me in the first team" goals and assists of oscar.

Relax. All Robguima said was that he thinks they have a similar "style of play". No mention was made of the performance factor until you brought it up. There is no comparison between the two in that regard, and Robguima wasn't making one.

I'm sure Oscar aspires to one day be half the player that Lamps has been for Chelsea, but for obvious reasons is nowhere near that yet, and nor is it fair to expect him to be.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Relax. All Robguima said was that he thinks they have a similar "style of play". No mention was made of the performance factor until you brought it up. There is no comparison between the two in that regard, and Robguima wasn't making one.

I'm sure Oscar aspires to one day be half the player that Lamps has been for Chelsea, but for obvious reasons is nowhere near that yet, and nor is it fair to expect him to be.

Thanks for explaining even though you shouldn't have to.

However, one thing that I do agree with oscars detractors is that he must improve; and determining his potential is really the job of all coaches at chelsea. They have all the variables: training level, schedule, physical improvement etc. determining players potential is very difficult, but if they think Oscar cannot get to the level of Lampard in the near future then perhaps the club should go a different route.

But I do think that they do believe in Oscar and that's the reason he is there. They certainly did not offer him a new deal recently because he's a nice guy...

[Spike 12,049]

Didier Drogba was pretty shit till he was about 24 tbh.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

"Oscar is young"... Oscar is 24 later this year and is still one of the most inconsistent players you'll see despite playing week in week out. Look at someone like Zouma for example, far younger than Oscar but looks a lot more mature than him, despite being 3 years younger. This "Oscar is young" excuse is getting really tiresome.

Ok, lets just splash another xxmio on Oscar replacement and hope he wont be as inconsistent. As far as I know we are still first in PL, Oscar is improving and I dont see real need for replacement. Some players need more time some less.

What is clear is that Oscar suits Mou system perfectly and in few years he can be realy realy good.

Oscar last season, he had good first half, terrible second. This year, he will probably perform similar through whole season. Next season even better etc.

And if you are pointing at his performances vs better teams where he wasnt exactly brilliant, then maybe we should look for Cesc replacement because he was average (wont say crap) in most big games too.

The main problem with Oscar is that he needs time. But fans here want instant success and its easy to say sell oscar buy koke or whoever. I would give Oscar at least next season and then we will see.

In dream world I would love to see Pogba-Matic-Koke as our midifield, but we have Oscar and thats reality.

And I love Zouma development but you people are getting ahead of yourselves. He is promising but lets see how he does till end of season and then talk. One two bad games and people will say he is crap.