Rumoured Luke Shaw

[yuvala 2,167]

20M is a massive fee for a LB. You can't compare it to spending on attacking players. Jordi Alba was 14M Euros and was much more accomplished and experience player than Shaw is right now. I like Shaw and would be a great fit for us long-term but 20M would make him, I believe, the 2nd most expensive LB ever after Coentrao.

For me its 20 tops.. still very expensive for a 18 year old LB but its probably worth it.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

For me its 20 tops.. still very expensive for a 18 year old LB but its probably worth it.

Definitely might be worth it. Not saying that, just saying that that price is hardly a great deal for any LB.

[lionsden 4,689]

Personally I had bring Van Anholt back and use that £30m to get either a DLP or striker in the summer. I'm yet to see what makes Shaw better than him or worth the asking price.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Personally I had bring Van Anholt back and use that £30m to get either a DLP or striker in the summer. I'm yet to see what makes Shaw better than him or worth the asking price.

Defensive ability. PVA is great going forward but he's not good defensively. Not saying he hasn't improved. He's definitely improved while at Vitesse but he's still not good enough imo. Often out of position and his pace compensates for it because the Eredivisie doesn't have enough quality to punish his every mistake. Won't get away with it in the PL.

I'm not saying I watched every Vitesse match, but I've seen a lot and Bertrand is without doubt a better LB than him.

I think we should let Ash leave, sell PVA, sign Luke and bring back Bertrand and let them both fight it out.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Personally I had bring Van Anholt back and use that £30m to get either a DLP or striker in the summer. I'm yet to see what makes Shaw better than him or worth the asking price.

There's a reason why Shaw is about to make his 50th Premier League appearance before the age at which Van Aanholt had even made his professional debut.

Physically he's stronger, he has better touch than Van Aanholt had at that age, he's composed and defensively he's already better.

Definitely might be worth it. Not saying that, just saying that that price is hardly a great deal for any LB.

True, but there's the English tax to think about and the fact that he's a Chelsea fan, plus United want him. All these factors mean he's probably overpriced by between £5-10 million depending on the source.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I think Mou will wait till summer with LB. Bertrand could impress in villa and then we wont need to buy Shaw or whoever.

[bababoom 4,478]

Simon Peach ‏@SimonPeach3m

Right, let's get this cleared up: @LukeShaw3 has no intention of leaving #SaintsFC this month & the club are not willing to sell him.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

well he could be a top quality player for over 10 years

Yeah. We could say that about every single talent.

Lukaku should be worth 60m then?

Hazard should probably be worth 100m then aswell

etc

Shaw isnt worth anywhere near 30m. Not even close.

[Starman60 1,343]

There's a reason why Shaw is about to make his 50th Premier League appearance before the age at which Van Aanholt had even made his professional debut.

Physically he's stronger, he has better touch than Van Aanholt had at that age, he's composed and defensively he's already better.

True, but there's the English tax to think about and the fact that he's a Chelsea fan, plus United want him. All these factors mean he's probably overpriced by between £5-10 million depending on the source.

And dont forget that once clubs see Chelsea are interested, that too bumps up the price by a couple of million.

But I still think it would be a good deal. Mourinho is building a good young squad and if Luke Shaw continues to improve (which I have no doubt he will do under Mourinho) he will be priceless and irreplaceable by the time he's 24-25. And with the way player values are rising, what will he be worth then ??

[Jase 43,479]

Simon Peach ‏@SimonPeach3m

Right, let's get this cleared up: @LukeShaw3 has no intention of leaving #SaintsFC this month & the club are not willing to sell him.

Translation: Southampton will sell if a club pay them big money...

[xPetrCechx 13,577]

Translation: Southampton will sell if a club pay them big money...

How Much big?

[Jase 43,479]

How Much big?

It's up to them. Am guessing somewhere around 25m..

[lionsden 4,689]

Defensive ability. PVA is great going forward but he's not good defensively. Not saying he hasn't improved. He's definitely improved while at Vitesse but he's still not good enough imo. Often out of position and his pace compensates for it because the Eredivisie doesn't have enough quality to punish his every mistake. Won't get away with it in the PL.

I'm not saying I watched every Vitesse match, but I've seen a lot and Bertrand is without doubt a better LB than him.

I think we should let Ash leave, sell PVA, sign Luke and bring back Bertrand and let them both fight it out.

As oppose to shaw is a defensive juggernaut? lol. I have seen more than enough of both players to make the judgement that there's nothing between them both defensively and offensively. The epl experience is the only factor that shades it in favour of Shaw not ability.

As for the point in bold. I'm actually one of Bertrand's biggest fans, I rate his defensive ability very highly however, the ability to defend is only one aspect of a fullbacks game and PVA is miles superior to him offensively. It then boils down to which aspect you rate more in a fullback taking into account the system and style of play of the team as some team's offensive strategy relies heavily on their fullbacks joining the attack to provide width and extra option.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Defensive ability. PVA is great going forward but he's not good defensively. Not saying he hasn't improved. He's definitely improved while at Vitesse but he's still not good enough imo. Often out of position and his pace compensates for it because the Eredivisie doesn't have enough quality to punish his every mistake. Won't get away with it in the PL.

I'm not saying I watched every Vitesse match, but I've seen a lot and Bertrand is without doubt a better LB than him.

I think we should let Ash leave, sell PVA, sign Luke and bring back Bertrand and let them both fight it out.

As oppose to shaw is a defensive juggernaut? lol. I have seen more than enough of both players to make the judgement that there's nothing between them both defensively and offensively. The epl experience is the only factor that shades it in favour of Shaw not ability.

As for the point in bold. I'm actually one of Bertrand's biggest fans, I rate his defensive ability very highly however, the ability to defend is only one aspect of a fullbacks game and PVA is miles superior to him offensively. It then boils down to which aspect you rate more in a fullback taking into account the system and style of play of the team as some team's offensive strategy relies heavily on their fullbacks joining the attack to provide width and extra option.

Well I'll focus on Chelsea and it's clear defense is a bigger concern for a full back. Hence, why I rate Bertrand more than PVA.

And no Shaw isn't a defensive juggernaut, but I don't think he'd be a liability whereas I def think PVA would be one. And comparing PVA in Eredivisie to Shaw in the PL is useless. Piazon is considered one of the best player in that league right now.

I won't be convinced with PVA until he shows me something in the PL.

[lionsden 4,689]

There's a reason why Shaw is about to make his 50th Premier League appearance before the age at which Van Aanholt had even made his professional debut.

Physically he's stronger, he has better touch than Van Aanholt had at that age, he's composed and defensively he's already better.

True, but there's the English tax to think about and the fact that he's a Chelsea fan, plus United want him. All these factors mean he's probably overpriced by between £5-10 million depending on the source.

Lazy argument not surprised.

One (shaw) plays for a midtable team that prioritizes in developing and producing homegrown talents and blessed with the perfect platform to achieve this objective as their chairman, shareholders and fans do not demand nor expect immediate success in the short to medium term and award the managers the freedom to bring through young players like shaw without any pressure.

While the other (PVA) plays for a club that isn't renowned for its youth development and has far bigger ambition than southampton to always challenge for major honors and be as successful as possible. Also another major factor is the competition that both players had to face. I think Shaw would have found it just as difficult to break into the first team and become a regular starter ahead of one of the greatest left back in modern history, Ashley cole.

Also worth noting the managerial stability shaw benefited from during his transitional period into the first team.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Personally I had bring Van Anholt back and use that £30m to get either a DLP or striker in the summer. I'm yet to see what makes Shaw better than him or worth the asking price.

Probably the blue-tinted spectacles. Doing well in the Eredivisie is one thing, being one of the top 5 left-backs in the Premier League at the age of 18 is another.

[Amblève. 4,995]

20M is a massive fee for a LB. You can't compare it to spending on attacking players. Jordi Alba was 14M Euros and was much more accomplished and experience player than Shaw is right now. I like Shaw and would be a great fit for us long-term but 20M would make him, I believe, the 2nd most expensive LB ever after Coentrao.

True, but there's the English tax to think about and the fact that he's a Chelsea fan, plus United want him. All these factors mean he's probably overpriced by between £5-10 million depending on the source.

I think 15m plus add-ons which would raise the whole fee up to about 20m should be okay, too.

[lionsden 4,689]

Probably the blue-tinted spectacles. Doing well in the Eredivisie is one thing, being one of the top 5 left-backs in the Premier League at the age of 18 is another.

Van nistelrooy, Suarez, Van Persie, Arjen Robben, van der sar, Jan vertonghen, Alex (ex blue) amongst host of others didn't seem to struggle that much with the transition. The automatic dismissal of eredivisie talent or players doing well in that league is getting old.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Also worth noting the managerial stability shaw benefited from during his transitional period into the first team.

Huh? Shaw came through under Adkins who was then sacked (after the game away to us when there was already a fair amount of buzz about the guy) and replaced by Pocchetino.

How is that stability?

Lazy argument not surprised.

One (shaw) plays for a midtable team that prioritizes in developing and producing homegrown talents and blessed with the perfect platform to achieve this objective as their chairman, shareholders and fans do not demand nor expect immediate success in the short to medium term and award the managers the freedom to bring through young players like shaw without any pressure.

Without pressure.....except Cortese explicitly stated an aim to get into the Champions League and spent £69 million net over the last two seasons, more than Liverpool.

[Spike 12,049]

Van nistelrooy, Suarez, Van Persie, Arjen Robben, van der sar, Jan vertonghen, Alex (ex blue) amongst host of others didn't seem to struggle that much with the transition. The automatic dismissal of eredivisie talent or players doing well in that league is getting old.

You could also make an extensive list that compiles those that have struggled from the Eredivisie. Afonso Alves, Mateja Kezman, Ryan Babel, Marco Boogers among others.