Rumoured Luke Shaw

[robsblubot 3,595]

That kind of probabilities (at least the way you describe it) only applies to picking random players. It's not such a lottery when you know the player, you see him play week in / week out and you have already assessed what he could bring to the team.

We are talking about Luke Shaw, the fact that he is english is not such a factor here. I mean, sure Chelsea needs homegrown players, English players and all that jazz but it is not exactly your point is it?

If we want to assess how good he is going to be in the future as an individual player playing for Chelsea FC, then his nationality doesn't matter. Not a single bit.

Now, regarding that article, Chelsea FC is a company, pretty much like any other company. They get money in essentially two ways : Donations/investments and earnings. In this article there is no mention of the actual earnings of the club. The shirts and tickets sales, the money acquired with the results in the champions league, the premier league etc... all coming from TV rights, the sponsors and the many other ways that the club uses to earn money. Thinking that every single penny chelsea fc ever spent since roman arrived came straight out of his pocket is pure delusion. Of course, we probably spent more than we earned but every football club at the top level has exceedingly high spendings (all of them not as much as chelsea but still... hell we could even be the top spender in the world it wouldn't change my point). In other words, the turnover or the money going in and out of a club like chelsea is expected to be big, and it doesn't say anything about the actual profit.

I could buy a painting for 4 billion euros (more than what Roman supposedly spent) sell it for 4 billion and 1 euros, I'd have spent 4 billion, earned 4 billion and 1 and gained a profit of 1 euros or lost of profit of whatever the number you want.

Anyway that kind of article is actually stupid, we don't have access to chelsea FC accounts and to my knowledge no journalist has the personnal number of our chief accountant so there is actually no way to know for sure what he actually spent especially if we take into account sponsoring deals.

Sorry for being a bit off topic.

Edit : Ok so apparently i went a bit overboard with this and I just checked again and they register an amount as a "loss" for the club. So it's a bit better than what I first thought.

Anyway, it still doesn't show how this "loss" amount is obtained and therefore it is not satisfying. We would need to have a more detailed and exhaustive report of the actual earnings in a season to count it as somehow reliable.

agreed.

If Shaw is good enough then he is good enough - no doubt about it.

Again, I was just referring to Polo7's point when he warned about going gaga for English talent.

[Korea 734]

English have always had "high potential" full backs..

In recent times, it was Gibbs, Walker and now Shaw.... (and rose)

For the people that watch Shaw a lot, how would you rate him over those 2 in terms of attacking, defense and durability/physicality?

[Polo7 3,496]

I think Shaw has shown a bit more than a 'bit of competence'. Sure there have been a lot of wasted English players but what has Shaw done to suggest that he is going to be just another name in the pile of failed Englishmen?

My point was its too risky to buy a young English player and expect him to be world class.We have made that mistake so many times. Parker, SWP and Sidwell to name a few. Also Shaw seems quite injury prone.

[Phil Driver 503]

English have always had "high potential" full backs..

In recent times, it was Gibbs, Walker and now Shaw.... (and rose)

For the people that watch Shaw a lot, how would you rate him over those 2 in terms of attacking, defense and durability/physicality?

In a different league Shaw and Gibbs are athletes first and foremost Shaw is a great footballer come athlete ,he left Azpilecueta for dead at the Bridge last season .

The player Shaw reminds me of going forward is Lahm ,but he is quicker and more physical as someone said he is 6ft 1" ,I would compare him more to Lahm then Walker or Gibbs ,he could really be that good ,I am talking the best in the world ,hence the fuss about him ,definitely not the token English player some think he would be for Chelsea. Bring him home to the Bridge .

[Phil Driver 503]

In a different league Shaw and Gibbs are athletes first and foremost Shaw is a great footballer come athlete ,he left Azpilecueta for dead at the Bridge last season .

Edit ...............Walker and Gibbs are athletes first and foremost.........................................

[The only place to be 11,313]

My point was its too risky to buy a young English player and expect him to be world class.We have made that mistake so many times. Parker, SWP and Sidwell to name a few. Also Shaw seems quite injury prone.

Did you honestly expect Scott Parker or Shaun Wright-Philips to be 'world class' when we signed them?

And (because this needs it's own separate question because it's just fantastic) were you expecting Steve Sidwell to be 'world class' when we signed him?

Really???

Luke Shaw is a class above where these players were at the same age.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

He's also two and a bit years older, made his top division debut at 19 not 17 like Luke and really this is a fairly subjective debate to be having.

Moreno is 3 years older and by all accounts is a terrible defender.

Shaw is already a good defender but his potential going forward is why he's so coveted especially when combined with his physicality. Shaw is 6'1 while Moreno is just 5'7.

@Gilvorak

Wouldn't say Moreno is a terrible defender, far from it, has a bit of bite about him although he's a small and frail lad, good on the ball, Mourinho could definitely improve him to that next level in his development. He may be older but I think hes a better player right now. If Shaw wasn't English I don't think anyone would care as much about him, just an honest opinion, I mean yeah he will be a very good LB or you'd think turn out to be a very very good LB but so will Moreno. Mourinho could also improve Shaw very true but I think we do need English/homegrown players so that also makes him a more attractive option as well as the physicality and height issue you brought up - which was why Jose (apparently) wanted to sign Maicon at Real and use him instead of Carvajal due to the height and physical difference.

@The only place to be

There is every chance we won't get Luke Shaw in the next year or two, Southampton are financially very safe whereas Sevilla aren't I just mentioned him as I feel right now hes a better footballer and hes a more realistic option right now due to the financial struggles in Spanish football for certain clubs (like Valencia in the past, Malaga and Sevilla). We need a LB now. Monero or Shaw or even Coentrao or someone else, we need a new LB.

[Phil Driver 503]

@Gilvorak

Wouldn't say Moreno is a terrible defender, far from it, has a bit of bite about him although he's a small and frail lad, good on the ball, Mourinho could definitely improve him to that next level in his development. He may be older but I think hes a better player right now. If Shaw wasn't English I don't think anyone would care as much about him, just an honest opinion, I mean yeah he will be a very good LB or you'd think turn out to be a very very good LB but so will Moreno. Mourinho could also improve Shaw very true but I think we do need English/homegrown players so that also makes him a more attractive option as well as the physicality and height issue you brought up - which was why Jose (apparently) wanted to sign Maicon at Real and use him instead of Carvajal due to the height and physical difference.

@The only place to be

There is every chance we won't get Luke Shaw in the next year or two, Southampton are financially very safe whereas Sevilla aren't I just mentioned him as I feel right now hes a better footballer and hes a more realistic option right now due to the financial struggles in Spanish football for certain clubs (like Valencia in the past, Malaga and Sevilla). We need a LB now. Monero or Shaw or even Coentrao or someone else, we need a new LB.

This really is rubbish.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Doesn't matter if Shaw is English or not, he's just a top, top talent. He's already good enough to walk into our first team.

[We Hate Scouse 10,327]

Manchester City are ready to pay £30m to sign Southampton defender Luke Shaw, 18. The fee would be a world record for a full-back, beating the £29.5m Barcelona paid Sevilla to sign Dani Alves in 2008.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2537848/Could-Shaw-worth-Alves-City-set-break-world-record-fee-pay-30m-18-year-old-Saint.html#ixzz2q8QniLQg

£30 million seems a bit excessive...

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Yeah, because Man City need more left-backs. Utter cunts.

[pWneR 230]

Shaw is good, but not 30 m good. If city gets him maybe we can get Kolarov or Clichy from them, both are solid.

Poslato sa LT30p

[Toli 977]

if they really pay 30 m its over for us. will never match this sum and Southampton surely will demand the same from us if we want him.

[The only place to be 11,313]

It's a lot of money but if he does become as good as we're all hoping he could then it's not that bad. It's a gamble no doubt, but would you pay £3 million at the start of each season for Ashley Cole? I would and that's very basically what you're talking about here.

Having said that, I'm convinced the story is bullshit and I think we've got a couple of advantages. Firstly, he's a Chelsea supporter and a very vocal one at that. I'm not naive enough to think that money isn't an issue in the modern game, but this guy loves this club and we need a left-back. But I think we could also put together a comparable package for him and if that included Bertrand then that might be a better move for Southampton as well. They get a young, English left-back with the type of experience they're looking towards for their own young players.

[mediator 2,026]

Manchester City ‘planning £30m bid’ for Southampton star Luke Shaw

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/12/manchester-city-planning-30m-bid-for-southampton-star-luke-shaw-4259345/

If that's true, we should bid for Coentrao

[Thendo 1,088]

If City are so desperate to get him for £30m then just let them have him. Don't get me wrong he's an amazing prospect and already a class PL player, but he just isn't worth 30m that's just absurd.

[Jase 43,479]

Yeah, because Man City need more left-backs. Utter cunts.

Well for starters, he's English and HG and think the City squad is lacking in that. And they probably want a long term replacement for Clichy and Kolarov..

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He won't agree to join city if he has a chance to join us. He has more competition at city anyways and could easily walk into our starting 11.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Well for starters, he's English and HG and think the City squad is lacking in that. And they probably want a long term replacement for Clichy and Kolarov..

They should re-sign Wayne Bridge then!

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Manchester City ‘planning £30m bid’ for Southampton star Luke Shaw

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/12/manchester-city-planning-30m-bid-for-southampton-star-luke-shaw-4259345/

If that's true, we should bid for Coentrao

Manchester United manager David Moyes hoping close in on loan deal for Real Madrid defender Fabio Coentrao

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10566462/Manchester-United-manager-David-Moyes-hoping-close-in-on-loan-deal-for-Real-Madrid-defender-Fabio-Coentrao.html