Spike 12,049 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Leif said: Finally he's matched the goal tally of rival winger Mane, who is 2 years younger, and was away for the AFCON. We're kidding ourselves if we say he's above and beyond the best in his position in the league. Most talented? Without doubt. Most effective? Nope. Joint-1st place with like 4 other players. Still very glad to have him. But I won't rest until we see him with more realism than idealism. Goals aren't the only barometre. Supermonkey92, manpe, Atholy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted March 7, 2017 Popular Post! Share Posted March 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, Leif said: Finally he's matched the goal tally of rival winger Mane, who is 2 years younger, and was away for the AFCON. We're kidding ourselves if we say he's above and beyond the best in his position in the league. Most talented? Without doubt. Most effective? Nope. Joint-1st place with like 4 other players. Still very glad to have him. But I won't rest until we see him with more realism than idealism. 13 minutes ago, Spike said: Goals aren't the only barometre. To follow up on what Spike said. Hazard has been fouled 75 times this season, Mane 47 times. Hazard created 54 chances, Mane 41. Hazard has 120 successful take on's out of 153 attempts ( 78% succes rate). Mane has 61 successful out of 106 attempts ( 58% succes rate). and yes Hazard played a whopping 2 games more then Mane. Spike, Footballover, manpe and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 High praise from Lampard. Unionjack and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Now if we could have that Eden more often please! He seems to go from one extreme to another. Going from missing in action to Captain Marvel. You could see by how he was from the start he was up for it last night. bouncing about on a high. What he needs to find is a way of turning that on more often. When hes doing his crafty flicks,runs and passes with his back you know all the other teams mumbling "cunt" under their breath. When N'Golo intercepted that pass everyone around me was going bonkers knowing it was going to finish well. Hes a nippy little bugga aint he! Best bits of his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 http://www.espnfc.com/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3077072/chelsea-playmaker-eden-hazard-should-win-player-of-the-year-over-ngolo-kante Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 God these Madrid Rumors are getting to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Neymar > Hazard. Not even close now. Sorry guys. Peace. and Kieran. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,692 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 46 minutes ago, The Skipper said: Neymar > Hazard. Not even close now. Sorry guys. Neymar had an outstanding game today but it's not like he was unstoppable. He has 8 goals in that garbage leage this season, even though he plays against sides like Granada, Leganes, Osasuna and Alaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 53 minutes ago, The Skipper said: Neymar > Hazard. Not even close now. Sorry guys. Hazard is still the better dribbler. But what Neymar has over hazard is Neymar does not disappear in matches, he might have a bad game sometimes but he's always available. Even with messi and Suarez on the pitch, Neymar still demands for the ball to be passed to him more than messi everytime. He doesn't just go 10-15 minutes without touching the ball. And another thing he's better than Hazard at is that last minute assist. When last have we seen hazard make a pass through the middle to someone making the run behind?? He prefers to pass to Moses on the wing or kante in the middle or a pass and go with costa rather than passing to a runner through the middle. If hazard improves on the mentality of not disappearing like he did perfectly against arsenal and last match and those type of passes through the middle to runners, he'll easily be better than Neymar imo. FabHazard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 If we're comparing players who grew up & developed as strikers vs. players who grew up & developed as wingers I'll have to add I think Suarez is better than Ribery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, kellzfresh said: Hazard is still the better dribbler. But what Neymar has over hazard is Neymar does not disappear in matches, he might have a bad game sometimes but he's always available. Even with messi and Suarez on the pitch, Neymar still demands for the ball to be passed to him more than messi everytime. He doesn't just go 10-15 minutes without touching the ball. And another thing he's better than Hazard at is that last minute assist. When last have we seen hazard make a pass through the middle to someone making the run behind?? He prefers to pass to Moses on the wing or kante in the middle or a pass and go with costa rather than passing to a runner through the middle. If hazard improves on the mentality of not disappearing like he did perfectly against arsenal and last match and those type of passes through the middle to runners, he'll easily be better than Neymar imo. Hazard needs to start performing in the CL and/or international tournaments before he can be compared with the very best. That's where you prove your true worth. Eden is a domestic star after having conquered England, and France before that, but not an international star (he was very good in the EUROs but was lacking in genuine decisiveness and/or match impact). Until then he's just a big talent unproven on the biggest stage. Same goes for players like Aguero, Silva, Toure (too late now), Pogba, Kane, Kante, Costa (one good CL campaign isn't quite enough) etc. I wanted to add Sanchez to that list but he's done big things for Chile. FabHazard, Peace., kellzfresh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said: Neymar had an outstanding game today but it's not like he was unstoppable. He has 8 goals in that garbage leage this season, even though he plays against sides like Granada, Leganes, Osasuna and Alaves. That doesn't matter much to me, guy performs in the biggest games all the time. For me that's one of the most important qualities in a player. @DYC.'s post sums it up perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 44 minutes ago, Leif said: If we're comparing players who grew up & developed as strikers vs. players who grew up & developed as wingers I'll have to add I think Suarez is better than Ribery. Very strange comparison again. Trumpesque. Neymar has always mainly been a left forward, since academy days at Santos. Essentially saying you can't compare Hazard and Neymar. How ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, The Skipper said: Neymar > Hazard. Not even close now. Sorry guys. Disagree. 1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said: Neymar had an outstanding game today but it's not like he was unstoppable. He has 8 goals in that garbage leage this season, even though he plays against sides like Granada, Leganes, Osasuna and Alaves. I'm sure i'm gonna get stick for this but i didn't think he was that great actually (performance wise). Don't get me wrong the freekick and the assist were sublime but apart from those 2 moments he didn't really do much else all game. Scored a penalty that wasn't one and dived to win the first penalty. Kinda mental actually that he gets such plaudits when he barely did anything for 88 minutes. He does deserve praise but the praise he's getting is way over the top. Pundits calling it "one of the best performance they've ever seen from him". "Best player on the pitch" 1 hour ago, kellzfresh said: Hazard is still the better dribbler. But what Neymar has over hazard is Neymar does not disappear in matches, he might have a bad game sometimes but he's always available. Even with messi and Suarez on the pitch, Neymar still demands for the ball to be passed to him more than messi everytime. He doesn't just go 10-15 minutes without touching the ball. And another thing he's better than Hazard at is that last minute assist. When last have we seen hazard make a pass through the middle to someone making the run behind?? He prefers to pass to Moses on the wing or kante in the middle or a pass and go with costa rather than passing to a runner through the middle. If hazard improves on the mentality of not disappearing like he did perfectly against arsenal and last match and those type of passes through the middle to runners, he'll easily be better than Neymar imo. Lol Neymar disappears plenty. He went several months without scoring a goal ffs. In a league where the difference between the top teams is that big that's just ridiculous. It also helps that he's got a team of all highly technically skilled players to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Belgiannutt said: Lol Neymar disappears plenty. He went several months without scoring a goal ffs. In a league where the difference between the top teams is that big that's just ridiculous. It also helps that he's got a team of all highly technically skilled players to play with. You misunderstood what I meant by disappearing in matches. Even if Neymar has a poor match for Barcelona or Brazil, you rarely see him go for 15 mins without touching the ball. Hazard does this especially for Belgium while Neymar is the Alpha for Brazil. Yesterday messi and Suarez were on the pitch but Neymar demands that the ball should get to him always, no matter if there are other world-class players. If you check my posts, my highest criticism for Hazard comes when he doesn't touch the ball for long periods and we're finding excuses to defend him on that. Hazard has the talent to be easily better imo. Even lampard has recently said that he's the most talented player he has played with. But hazard needs more variety, for example that last minute assist to win the match from Neymar. It's not as if Neymar is fabregas that is perfect in those passes, but he's alpha enough to dare to make them while hazard will pass it to Moses on the other wing instead of to Pedro/costa making the run on goal. Neymar in BRAZIL >>>>>>Hazard in Belgium with better players, Neymar has proved it on both sides. Hazard isn't going to be a high goalscoring winger, I agree it's not his style so I've stopped asking for him to shoot more. But if you’re a winger that doesn't shoot a lot, then he should add through passes to his game which would make him get far more assists than he has through only crossing. 11Drogba, Leif and Blue-in-me-Veins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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