🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

People start appreciating things only when they lose them.

Very true, but we all appreciate Hazard for who he is. A guy who is unplayable on a day, but a guy who is also content with letting a game pass him by.

 

Whether or not he showed up today or not Arsenal are, and were, the better side. He can demand to play a part in the game though, and the Hazard out there today was happy to stay on the wing and effectively hide. If he demanded the ball, and look like ass, then ok. He didnt though. He was content with being a passenger.

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

I don't think he would be the closest thing to messi in Manchester City. He simply didnt TRY to get involved.

Even when Silva is running the show for city, and De Bruyne is on the wings he always looks to try to get touches and get involved. Hazard wanted no parts of that today, even when that clown Willian had moved to the middle and tried to get going.

Hard to say. City have plenty of attacking movements and variations. Us? Hardly any and not surprising considering the number of braindead players we have in the squad. And he might actually perform better and consistently if the team was playing more on offensive than defensive.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Hard to say. City have plenty of attacking movements and variations. Us? Hardly any and not surprising considering the number of braindead players we have in the squad. And he might actually perform better and consistently if the team was playing more on offensive than defensive.

Even then that didnt stop Willian from trying to move to the middle and get involved. You want your best players to try to force the issue.

 

Coaching aside, which shouldn't have even mattered seeing as Conte seemed in well over his head as soon as Cahill fucked up with the first goal, the star man has to demand the ball.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Even then that didnt stop Willian from trying to move to the middle and get involved. You want your best players to try to force the issue.

Coaching aside, which shouldn't have even mattered seeing as Conte seemed in well over his head as soon as Cahill fucked up with the first goal, the star man has to demand the ball.

With the exception of those 2-3 chances Willian had, I don't think he did much, if any at all really. You can say Hazard has to demand the ball but the thing is, he did get the ball and we gave it to him but how do you expect him to create something when there's no one else around to combine with him. It's usually just Costa and maybe Fabregas and that's it. Because we have next to zero attacking movements, it's easy for teams to contain him. And you can't slam the team/manager for not having any attacking patterns and then turn around to criticize Hazard for not doing anything.

[Polo7 3,496]

What makes me laugh is how people say he shouldnt have to defend and thats why his game isnt as good as it can be. Which winger in the premier league doesnt track back....only fucking Hazard. Was just as shit as Willian today.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

With the exception of those 2-3 chances Willian had, I don't think he did much, if any at all really. You can say Hazard has to demand the ball but the thing is, he did get the ball and we gave it to him but how do you expect him to create something when there's no one else around to combine with him. It's usually just Costa and maybe Fabregas and that's it. Because we have next to zero attacking movements, it's easy for teams to contain him. And you can't slam the team/manager for not having any attacking patterns and then turn around to criticize Hazard for not doing anything.

Willian didnt do anything because he sucks, but he still demanded the ball a few times in an area where he looked to dictate in the middle.

 

The manager, and team, can take some of the blame too but objectively viewing him today he didnt want it bad enough. We can theorize why, but that much was clear.

[Pizy 18,903]

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Hard to say. City have plenty of attacking movements and variations. Us? Hardly any and not surprising considering the number of braindead players we have in the squad. And he might actually perform better and consistently if the team was playing more on offensive than defensive.

This is the sad truth. Put Hazard on City or Madrid/Bayern/Barca and he'd be a world beater. We simply don't have anyone with technical ability near his level around him. He'd be surrounded by top class footballers at those clubs rather than just athletes who are only good for running like we have here. 

It's going to be very hard not only watching him leave next summer but also watching him blossom into the player we've hoped to see for years. And no chance we can replace him with someone else at his level. It would be hard enough with CL football. Without it, the best we can hope for is to get a Mané type deal. A player from a small club coming off a great season.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Willian didnt do anything because he sucks, but he still demanded the ball a few times in an area where he looked to dictate in the middle.

I can also say Hazard looked threatening a few times - remember that chance he created for Willian early on and he squandered the chance?

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I can also say Hazard looked threatening a few times - remember that chance he created for Willian early on and he squandered the chance?

Definitely that was one of the few good moments for us, but when did he touch the ball again after that?

 

If I remember he went back on the wing again and faced isolation after that.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Definitely that was one of the few good moments for us, but when did he touch the ball again after that?

If I remember he went back on the wing again and faced isolation after that.

Are you surprised given our non-existent attacking play? Even Messi would struggle in this team.

[robsblubot 3,595]

11 minutes ago, Pizy said:

This is the sad truth. Put Hazard on City or Madrid/Bayern/Barca and he'd be a world beater. We simply don't have anyone with technical ability near his level around him. He'd be surrounded by top class footballers at those clubs rather than just athletes who are only good for running like we have here. 

It's going to be very hard not only watching him leave next summer but also watching him blossom into the player we've hoped to see for years. And no chance we can replace him with someone else at his level. It would be hard enough with CL football. Without it, the best we can hope for is to get a Mané type deal. A player from a small club coming off a great season.

players like Neymar, Suarez, lewa, and a lot others Are picked because they did play at a very high level while not surrounded by top class footballers.

by stating that he needs more support, you are automatically saying that he's not that great. Bale scored tons of goals playing alongside mediocre players.

there is simply no excuse for a performance like this (arsenal). He needs to do more! Not even saying better, but more.

btw, barca and Bayern employ players with high work rate who are always involved n the play - not really what hazard is known for. Madrid? Yes he would prob do a lot better there, but then again, anyone would.

[Coop 114]

Id still keep him. The one that had to be sold was Willian, I was saying it for the longest. And now people are realizing how average he was. 

Willian hit his peek, Hazard has more to give. 

Granted we are over relying on him, because if he don't perform we don't do much. 

How can we rely on him if Costa does not pass him the ball, instead he keeps the ball a little longer and loses him.

If we were relying on him he should get every ball. Now this is not the case, make him be the orchestra leader.

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[The Skipper 20,609]

12 hours ago, Coop said:

How can we rely on him if Costa does not pass him the ball, instead he keeps the ball a little longer and loses him.

If we were relying on him he should get every ball. Now this is not the case, make him be the orchestra leader.

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Costa was the only player that did ok yesterday yet still gets blamed for Hazard's average performance...?

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

14 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Costa was the only player that did ok yesterday yet still gets blamed for Hazard's average performance...?

Costa shouldn't be blamed for Hazard's average performance but i get what Coop is getting at. 

Hazard frequently passes the ball to Costa and then makes a run into the central area looking for the lay off from Costa but it very rarely happens. Most of the time Costa just ignores Hazard's run. 

Funny thing is that the times costa does pass it back to Hazard it's almost always results in a good chance for us. (Willian's chance in the first half against Arsenal for example)

On 24-9-2016 at 9:50 PM, Robguima said:

players like Neymar, Suarez, lewa, and a lot others Are picked because they did play at a very high level while not surrounded by top class footballers.

by stating that he needs more support, you are automatically saying that he's not that great. Bale scored tons of goals playing alongside mediocre players.

there is simply no excuse for a performance like this (arsenal). He needs to do more! Not even saying better, but more.

btw, barca and Bayern employ players with high work rate who are always involved n the play - not really what hazard is known for. Madrid? Yes he would prob do a lot better there, but then again, anyone would.

Ofcourse he needs to do more. The seasons before we didn't have more quality in the squad then we do now and Hazard was able to perform then.

However there's also no doubt that having so many limited players in our starting lineup is making it a lot more difficult for Hazard then it would be if we had the quality of a Barcelona, Bayern  or Real Madrid running around.

Also i think the fact that Hazard is a pass first, shoot second type of player makes the quality of his team mates a bigger factor then it otherwise would be. 

 

 

[Mustafa 885]

On 9/24/2016 at 3:08 PM, Sir Mikel OBE said:

I don't think he would be the closest thing to messi in Manchester City. He simply didnt TRY to get involved.

 

Even when Silva is running the show for city, and De Bruyne is on the wings he always looks to try to get touches and get involved. Hazard wanted no parts of that today, even when that clown Willian had moved to the middle and tried to get going.

 

He could look like Nolito or Sterling in that squad, but I don't see the KDB or Messi in him. Not anymore at least. Maybe when he first came he had it, but he's developed differently.

BOLDED SECTION!!!!! I genuinely think if he was at a different club, he would've developed into a future Ballon D'or winner. Not at this club tho. He's lost a lot of the good attributes he had at Lille. Go watch his Lille match comps. He was 10x more aggresive. Maybe its cuz he was at a small club and he HAD to. But nevertheless, if he worked under Pep or a top attacking coach, instead of working under clowns like Rafa, Jose, Hiddink and now Conte... none of whom can play proper ATTACKING football. Modern football as they call it.

[BoyBlue96 990]

He needs to get his game and attitude up. 

Something about him which I just don't like. Never seems really bothered to me when things go south. To me, he just plays here because he wants to move away. 

Also, you don't just get voted to star on the new FIFA 17 cover when you did nothing and were MIA last season, Eden. That's not how it works. 

[killer1257 3,282]

On 24.9.2016 at 9:45 PM, Jason said:

Are you surprised given our non-existent attacking play? Even Messi would struggle in this team.

This!

But sadly,people expect from Hazard that he constantly geths past 4-6 defeders without losing the ball and after those dribbles to finish his runs with a goal.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

[Styles 9,790]

On 24/09/2016 at 8:50 PM, Robguima said:

players like Neymar, Suarez, lewa, and a lot others Are picked because they did play at a very high level while not surrounded by top class footballers.

by stating that he needs more support, you are automatically saying that he's not that great. Bale scored tons of goals playing alongside mediocre players.

there is simply no excuse for a performance like this (arsenal). He needs to do more! Not even saying better, but more.

btw, barca and Bayern employ players with high work rate who are always involved n the play - not really what hazard is known for. Madrid? Yes he would prob do a lot better there, but then again, anyone would.

So you're forgetting about Hazard's performances at Lille and everything he achieved there?

Oh, and the HUGE difference is that Neymar, Suarez and Lewandowski were signed by Barcelona and Bayern Munich - two of the 3 elite teams in European football. Lucky for some.

Am I saying Hazard is incapable of performing badly? Nope. But the reality is our team is absolute bullshit. No one single player is every going to perform consistently well in this joke of a team. Willian won player of the year last season based on about 10 decent performances and 3 fluke freekicks ffs.

[Henrique 9,133]

Its hard to take this thread seriously when opinions go from "Hazard is only behind Ronaldo and Messi" to "Hazard is so useless, he must leave the club".