Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said: Think all young players should be shown Eden’s career here and then his last 2 seasons with Real. Just shows doesn’t matter how talented you are, if your world class for a period, if you don’t train well or get into bad training routines sooner or later it can catch up to you. He isn’t finished but if next season is the same for him, he’s done as a top top player, although havent heard one mention of it since he went to Madrid anyway so could argue he already is. Hes meant to be in his best years. Wouldnt touch him with a 9 foot barge pole if he was available in the summer . How high is his wages at RM? Anyone knows? Maybe as a loan I might be enticed but I doubt RM will go for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Atomiswave said: How high is his wages at RM? Anyone knows? Maybe as a loan I might be enticed but I doubt RM will go for that. More than 400k p/w apparently. Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 14 hours ago, Atomiswave said: How high is his wages at RM? Anyone knows? Maybe as a loan I might be enticed but I doubt RM will go for that. Why? If he isnt going to be fit whats the point? We all know he wasn't an amazing trainer and these things catch up on players, which I would say is hugely whats affecting him now. Unless he takes a serious shake to himself he will continue with this stop start nature. Neymar will also be another one who in 3/4 years will probably have the same issues I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Why? If he isnt going to be fit whats the point? We all know he wasn't an amazing trainer and these things catch up on players, which I would say is hugely whats affecting him now. Unless he takes a serious shake to himself he will continue with this stop start nature. Neymar will also be another one who in 3/4 years will probably have the same issues I would think. Yeah its a cracker, he never should have left but we did get good money for him. In any case there is fat chance he comes back. His playing days here long ended, yeah I can see Neymar suffer the same......but he at least didnt get slaughtered in EPL like Eden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Atomiswave said: Yeah its a cracker, he never should have left but we did get good money for him. In any case there is fat chance he comes back. His playing days here long ended, yeah I can see Neymar suffer the same......but he at least didnt get slaughtered in EPL like Eden. Messi and Ronaldo have spent the best part of 20 years getting kicked and booted up and down pitches. You make out as if the PL is some sort of WWE esque league saying he got “slaughtered” but would say that players like this, who compete in a lot of one v ones regardless of the league, get kicked more than others. Wouldn't say it was any different for Eden. Or go as far and say he got slaughtered. The worst game I can actually remember seeing him get kicked a lot was actually a CL game v PSG a few seasons ago. His injury problems are due to bad habits for me, poor trainer then poor trainer now... without working too hard and looking after yourself as you get older, you always risk that happening in elite sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Messi and Ronaldo have spent the best part of 20 years getting kicked and booted up and down pitches. You make out as if the PL is some sort of WWE esque league saying he got “slaughtered” but would say that players like this, who compete in a lot of one v ones regardless of the league, get kicked more than others. Wouldn't say it was any different for Eden. Or go as far and say he got slaughtered. The worst game I can actually remember seeing him get kicked a lot was actually a CL game v PSG a few seasons ago. His injury problems are due to bad habits for me, poor trainer then poor trainer now... without working too hard and looking after yourself as you get older, you always risk that happening in elite sports. You cant compare at all, at all. First of all them 2 you mentioned are protected and they simply didnt get smashed like Eden week in week out. PSG? Nahh that spurs games alone at the Bridge surpasses that one with ease. Now he might be lazy etc, but he sure as hell went through so much with us. Edited March 16, 2021 by Atomiswave bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: You cant compare at all, at all. First of all them 2 you mentioned are protected and they simply didnt get smashed like Eden week in week out. PSG? Nahh that spurs games alone at the Bridge surpasses that one with ease. Now he might be lazy etc, but he sure as hell went through so much with us. Yeah, Phil Bardsley annihilated him one night in Stoke also. This is a tackle he got booked for: https://youtu.be/DDLv7KAPDU8 However, he did him about six times that night. Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: You cant compare at all, at all. First of all them 2 you mentioned are protected and they simply didnt get smashed like Eden week in week out. PSG? Nahh that spurs games alone at the Bridge surpasses that one with ease. Now he might be lazy etc, but he sure as hell went through so much with us. Who didnt get kicked that night though? People act as if his career was threatened every week with such comments 😂 he got it a few times in other games but wouldnt say its half as bad as your making out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: You cant compare at all, at all. First of all them 2 you mentioned are protected and they simply didnt get smashed like Eden week in week out. PSG? Nahh that spurs games alone at the Bridge surpasses that one with ease. Now he might be lazy etc, but he sure as hell went through so much with us. The only player I'd say is protected is Neymar given he mastered the flop. Ronaldo spent 6 years in the Prem and cut the diving when he realised he wasn't getting calls. Also, watch virtually any Messi compilation vs a club on YouTube and you can see he gets hacked down occasionally. Hazard never took care of himself and there are virtually a handful of players, coaches, and manager explaining his poor work ethic. Edited March 16, 2021 by MoroccanBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said: The only player I'd say is protected is Neymar given he mastered the flop. Ronaldo spent 6 years in the Prem and cut the diving when he realised he wasn't getting calls. Also, watch virtually any Messi compilation vs a club on YouTube and you can see he gets hacked down occasionally. Hazard never took care of himself and there are virtually a handful of players, coaches, and manager explaining his poor work ethic. Neymar injury list is vast and mostly caused by actual tackles as opposed to Hazard, who had far fewer injuries (serious or not) with the vast majority of them muscle injuries. Needless to say, his work ethic, or the lack thereof, is likely to play a much bigger part than rough tackles. Always thought Hazard did not expose himself too much, which matches his demeanor on and off pitch. e.g. "when I'm on vacation I'm on vacation" thing. Edited March 16, 2021 by robsblubot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Who didnt get kicked that night though? People act as if his career was threatened every week with such comments 😂 he got it a few times in other games but wouldnt say its half as bad as your making out. The boy was lucky imo, he could have easily got injured with us. TEams knew they had to stop him or he would punish them, all teams did it to him in Eng. No its not the sole reason he is having a mare atm but def an add on. 12 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: The only player I'd say is protected is Neymar given he mastered the flop. Ronaldo spent 6 years in the Prem and cut the diving when he realised he wasn't getting calls. Also, watch virtually any Messi compilation vs a club on YouTube and you can see he gets hacked down occasionally. Hazard never took care of himself and there are virtually a handful of players, coaches, and manager explaining his poor work ethic. Ronaldo in EPL was protected much more than Eden ever was, I clearly remember you could barely touch him and its a foul, Fergie made sure of it in his press talks. Blue Armour and Fulham Broadway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Atomiswave said: The boy was lucky imo, he could have easily got injured with us. TEams knew they had to stop him or he would punish them, all teams did it to him in Eng. No its not the sole reason he is having a mare atm but def an add on. Ronaldo in EPL was protected much more than Eden ever was, I clearly remember you could barely touch him and its a foul, Fergie made sure of it in his press talks. Have to disagree, whilst he did get fouled a lot the notion that he was booted up and down the park a lot in the period of time he was here and it was an absolute miracle he didn’t sustain any major injuries is simply incorrect. Because thats not football now a days and it never will be ever again. Its not as if he was playing up against the Wimbledon crazy gang every week. Or some of the other teams full of absolute mad cunts. There was a few games which maybe crossed the line in the sand but that happens as we seen in the Spurs game it was a very intense night. V PSG also Verratti could have gone another day. It wasnt every week or every 2/3/4/5th week. Yes Mourinho made a few post match comments saying about protecting Eden, its no different from any other manager wanting protection for their best player. As well as this, all the good wingers accumulate a large collection of fouls. Because it becomes the only way to stop them. It simply doesnt mean they’ve been on the end of a doing every week or season if they have a high foul count. The Spurs and PSG games are two bad ones that stick out but for a world class wide player he probably got the level of treatment they all get. Doubled up on. The odd mistimed tackles. Some 50/50s with guys a good 6 or 7 inches taller and 10kilos heaver than him. All of the above. Sure. He was constantly in top fouled in the PL and Europe. Sure. Does that mean he was unfairly on the end of a couple of horror tackles? Probably. Went through hell? Absolutely not. He didnt fight in a war mate. Hes played in arguably the softest editions of the top division of English football in terms of physicality. Its the same with any other players and winning fouls today, the guys get so much protection now its as if you put your arm out to shield the ball maybe brush your arm on someone and they get a foul. But again football is so much less purely physically orientated than it was 25+ years ago. Maybe he did receive a lot of fouls but in a period where tactical fouls to stop transitioning has been a huge part of world football for the last 10-15 years as teams looked to stifle the whole possession philosophy, that seems to be the norm and we spent a large period of his time here as a team that played on transitions also. Ronaldo for the first few seasons in the PL he was decent but its no secret he was effectively a showboating wee arsehole at times, so he got the living shit kicked out of him. As he did in training apparently also as some ex team mates have said in interviews. People tend to forget it was really only after the 2006 world cup that he fine tuned his game and really started on the huge upward trajectory which has taken him to the heights he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,939 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) Forever a Chelsea legend. He should have stayed.. he would have gone down in folk law. Edited March 17, 2021 by DDA Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Have to disagree, whilst he did get fouled a lot the notion that he was booted up and down the park a lot in the period of time he was here and it was an absolute miracle he didn’t sustain any major injuries is simply incorrect. Because thats not football now a days and it never will be ever again. Its not as if he was playing up against the Wimbledon crazy gang every week. Or some of the other teams full of absolute mad cunts. There was a few games which maybe crossed the line in the sand but that happens as we seen in the Spurs game it was a very intense night. V PSG also Verratti could have gone another day. It wasnt every week or every 2/3/4/5th week. Yes Mourinho made a few post match comments saying about protecting Eden, its no different from any other manager wanting protection for their best player. As well as this, all the good wingers accumulate a large collection of fouls. Because it becomes the only way to stop them. It simply doesnt mean they’ve been on the end of a doing every week or season if they have a high foul count. The Spurs and PSG games are two bad ones that stick out but for a world class wide player he probably got the level of treatment they all get. Doubled up on. The odd mistimed tackles. Some 50/50s with guys a good 6 or 7 inches taller and 10kilos heaver than him. All of the above. Sure. He was constantly in top fouled in the PL and Europe. Sure. Does that mean he was unfairly on the end of a couple of horror tackles? Probably. Went through hell? Absolutely not. He didnt fight in a war mate. Hes played in arguably the softest editions of the top division of English football in terms of physicality. Its the same with any other players and winning fouls today, the guys get so much protection now its as if you put your arm out to shield the ball maybe brush your arm on someone and they get a foul. But again football is so much less purely physically orientated than it was 25+ years ago. Maybe he did receive a lot of fouls but in a period where tactical fouls to stop transitioning has been a huge part of world football for the last 10-15 years as teams looked to stifle the whole possession philosophy, that seems to be the norm and we spent a large period of his time here as a team that played on transitions also. Ronaldo for the first few seasons in the PL he was decent but its no secret he was effectively a showboating wee arsehole at times, so he got the living shit kicked out of him. As he did in training apparently also as some ex team mates have said in interviews. People tend to forget it was really only after the 2006 world cup that he fine tuned his game and really started on the huge upward trajectory which has taken him to the heights he has. Fair enough 🤙 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 What damage we could have done if we had prime Eden with us. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: What damage we could have done if we had prime Eden with us. Tbf, with the way things have panned out it looks like we got his last prime season out of him, then sold him for prime money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, King Kante said: Tbf, with the way things have panned out it looks like we got his last prime season out of him, then sold him for prime money. We sure did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Curious to see a timeline where had he stayed with us, would he have become injury prone etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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