BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 yes it`s not our money..(even though it could impact those of us who pay through the turnstiles ) there`s the FFP rules coming soon.however we should not be willing to part our cheeks for porto to fuck us up the arse over Hulk. we have been locked too much on one player in the past there`s always an alternative.If Torres came for 50, I go for Hulk for 45. At least he is younger, in form, and better than all our alternatives like moses or schurle.I agree with alternatives, but only if they are still class, but cheaper like DiMaria or something.Moses and Schurle are not alternatives, its something like you look for Ferrari, but get Peugeot in the end. Alternative to Ferrari would be Aston Martin or something who is half cheaper than Ferrari, but still huge class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Hulk has more abilities than Moses and Schurle together. Speed, stamina, dribbling. What I meant is that if he is given role of winger he will try to dribble, cross or ocasionaly shoot. If he is given more attacking role, he will try to score more and play more centraly. With Schurle or Moses, first is not looking as winger at all, but more like Sturridge who should never be winger. Schurle might have winger position, but he playslilke striker. Give me that ball and will shot. While Hulk always picks best option. Dribbling, cross or direct shot. Moses is somewhere similar to Hulk, but his finishing is far from similar to Hulk and crossing is even worse.Just cant compare Hulk with Moses or Schurle. Yes they are all half winger half strikers, but difference is that Hulk plays one or the other at same time. He passes better, dribbles better etc. He has all atributes to be great winger or striker, while Schurle never looked like winger. Moses is more supporting striker than winger. His assist statistics are not good, his shooting is not excelent, he might create goal scoring chances, but we have that in Mata and Hazard. What we need is wing crosser and Hulk is fantastic at doing that. But also at creating chances, dribbling and shooting.I didnt know James has 40mio clause, too bad, that is similar to Hulk unfortunely...Moses and Schurrle are a work in progress though while Hulk is basically developed and will play at that level until he is 28 or 29 then probably fade a bit. Hulk seems to go missing in big games thats the only problem, can't really say Benfica vs Porto is as big a game as Chelsea vs Man Utd will be or Chelsea vs Arsenal etc. Moses seemed to be Wigan's main man against the big teams, he'd always be looking to take people on and try create something. His stats aren't great but they're steadily improving tbh. Haven't seen much of Schurrle, watched a few Germany clips and he looked good for them. I wouldn't mind either of the 3 tbh.Yeah I was gutted that Rodriguez had such a high release clause but Porto seem to know how to make a fair return, the fuckers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Moses and Schurrle are a work in progress though while Hulk is basically developed and will play at that level until he is 28 or 29 then probably fade a bit. Hulk seems to go missing in big games thats the only problem, can't really say Benfica vs Porto is as big a game as Chelsea vs Man Utd will be or Chelsea vs Arsenal etc. Moses seemed to be Wigan's main man against the big teams, he'd always be looking to take people on and try create something. His stats aren't great but they're steadily improving tbh. Haven't seen much of Schurrle, watched a few Germany clips and he looked good for them. I wouldn't mind either of the 3 tbh.Yeah I was gutted that Rodriguez had such a high release clause but Porto seem to know how to make a fair return, the fuckers!!Whenever I watched Hulk against pl teams (even in the past years), he was best at porto. Against us, Arsenal or United in CL. Last summer against Barca, he was fantastic too. I still remember how he beated Alves with that dribbling. He might get bit lost on big games, BUT where did DiMaria played before joining RM? And he wasnt better than Hulk. Give Hulk sometime at big stage in big club. Once he adopts that, the effect will be like with DiMaria. Im sure he still can improve, playing on top level at Porto or playing on top level at Chelsea is different level. If Hulk can play with success at Chelsea, he could be one of best RW too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Whenever I watched Hulk against pl teams (even in the past years), he was best at porto. Against us, Arsenal or United in CL. Last summer against Barca, he was fantastic too. I still remember how he beated Alves with that dribbling. He might get bit lost on big games, BUT where did DiMaria played before joining RM? And he wasnt better than Hulk. Give Hulk sometime at big stage in big club. Once he adopts that, the effect will be like with DiMaria. Im sure he still can improve, playing on top level at Porto or playing on top level at Chelsea is different level. If Hulk can play with success at Chelsea, he could be one of best RW too.He did well in that season where AVB won the Europa League against the clubs who were decent enough but not exactly top teams. Hes played good against some big teams, its just that he seems to drift in and out of some games against bigger teams or just not live up to expectations. Also he hasn't got a great defensive work rate but I would hope he would work on that if he came here. We'll see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,557 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If Torres came for 50, I go for Hulk for 45. At least he is younger, in form, and better than all our alternatives like moses or schurle.I agree with alternatives, but only if they are still class, but cheaper like DiMaria or something.Moses and Schurle are not alternatives, its something like you look for Ferrari, but get Peugeot in the end. Alternative to Ferrari would be Aston Martin or something who is half cheaper than Ferrari, but still huge class.Torres was never worth £50m tho never will be..just because we was badly ripped off with him,don`t mean we should willingly be ripped off again.as Ryan said Moses and Schurrle are work in progress.although i don`t know why they are being brought into why we should pay so much for Hulk. he`s good but being grossly overated at that price.i would also like the phrase "it`s not your money" i don`t know,not used so much because that sounds like someone who either doesn`t understand FFP rules or doesn`t care if we get fucked by it. it would be easy to assume fans who make those comments from overseas are quite happy to jump ship if CFC starts sinking and jump on the next best thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I can't see this move happening, simply because of what Porto are demanding.Hulk will remain in the Portuguese league till he hands in a transfer request and forces a move through, instead of saying "i would have no problem staying here" every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Its not your money and once you will see Moses or whoever made no impact for our team in the end of the season, you will wish we signed the incredible green beast (Hulk).Well it's not my money, but it is our money. People like us are the ones who buy season tickets, shirts and a pie at the ground. We are tge reason Samsung offers sponsorship mobey. When your talking about a player fee and wages toppling out at nearly £80 million then you have to ask yourself is there not someone out there who offers better value for money? I'm thinking that there is, hell your talking £10 million more than we paid for Hazard, and his price was inflated due to the interest of other clubs. Only ones interested in Hulk are us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Hulk > Ramires > Moses > Sturridge > Schurrle > Ben Arfa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Hulk > Ramires > Moses > Sturridge > Schurrle > Ben ArfaHow did you science this up? It's not really fair to some of the players there because some aren't even really wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 How did you science this up? It's not really fair to some of the players there because some aren't even really wingers.Players who could play on right side next season. I think we need a player on right side who will contribute to the defence, because team should be balanced and we likes of Mata, Hazard and Torres (well he is not the worst) we won't have any contribution to our defence from attack. Hulk played as right back and always when I watched Porto games he helped in the defence. Ramires is engine and can run for weeks and he always helps defensively. Moses is my third choice. Sturridge is selfish but better than Shurrle. Ben Arfa is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Players who could play on right side next season. I think we need a player on right side who will contribute to the defence, because team should be balanced and we likes of Mata, Hazard and Torres (well he is not the worst) we won't have any contribution to our defence from attack. Hulk played as right back and always when I watched Porto games he helped in the defence. Ramires is engine and can run for weeks and he always helps defensively. Moses is my third choice. Sturridge is selfish but better than Shurrle. Ben Arfa is shit.You have forgotten Oscar. And I'd rather Schurrle, Moses and Sturridge not be on the wing next year. Schurrle should only be bought if Sturridge leaves and they should only be played at CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,578 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm coming to England... but only for the Olympics: Chelsea target Hulk dismisses Premier League talkChelsea target Hulk has strongly denied he has already agreed to quit Porto for a move to the Premier League.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2172375/Hulk-says-hes-Chelsea-talks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 The Daily Mail Strikes Again! I'm really getting sick of their 'journalism'. At least The Sun is hot on page three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Schurrle didn't impress at Euro 2012. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 You have forgotten Oscar. And I'd rather Schurrle, Moses and Sturridge not be on the wing next year. Schurrle should only be bought if Sturridge leaves and they should only be played at CF.Oscar will be playing in double pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Oscar will be playing in double pivot.You have no proof of that, just assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Oscar will be playing in double pivot.unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Schurrle didn't impress at Euro 2012. Just saying.Neither did Benzema, Iniesta, etc. Pointless even talking about player's performances in International teams - look at Diouf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Jesus Christ.If we don't get Hulk, Oscar isn't an alternative to play wide on the right That's like saying "oh, we can't sign Robben, so let's buy Moutinho to play on the wing." COMMON SENSE PEOPLE! We'd been chasing Modric for a season for a reason. Our board hasn't just magically forgotten that central midfield needs reinforced. Oh oh oh, but MAYBE, since Hulk is so strong, Hulk will be used as an Essien-type box-to-box player with Oscar on the wing ?!?!?! (Yes, sarcasm.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,156 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Neither did Benzema, Iniesta, etc. Pointless even talking about player's performances in International teams - look at Diouf.Iniesta was brilliant and voted best player of the tournament but other than that I agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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