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Marvin123

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Since when were wingers Defenders? FFS This defensive mentality alot of you have is worrying. Alot of you have become deluded. Wingers are meant to attack and support the striker. If they can defend a bit great, but attacking is what they're on the pitch to do. Sure for a few games we can Play Ramires on the left or right but most of the time we will play with the attacking wingers. How does Bayern cope with Robben and Ribery? How does Madrid cope with Ronaldo and Di Maria? Wingers are not defenders. We are not going to play defensive, counter-attacking football anymore FFS.

wingers always have to track the oppositions full backs when they have posession

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Forgot to respond to this point. No, big name stars don't always make up for their transfer fees and sometimes players from smaller leagues turn out to be great. But, sometimes you can get a royal flush at poker, it doesn't mean you should go all-in every hand just in case you get one. It's about making smart bets and minimizing risk. If you have 38M pounds to spend, spend it well. Last, year in the premier League, 38M would have got you Mata, Arteta, Scott Parker, Demba Ba, and James McClain. Or, Papa Cisse, Nasri, Danny Graham, and Vorm. If you're going to pay more than 25-30M or so for a player, you have to be certain that they will be a superstar calibre player.Otherwise, It's better to spread the money out to minimize risk. While it's possible Hulk is that superstar guy, it's also quite possible he isn't and for 38M, you can't take the risk at such a high price. If the rumours are true and Chelsea are not willing to get into a bidding war, this would signal a start to a smarter transfer policy and I'd be very happy. I suppose we'll see.

Take away the Torres signing and our signings over the recent years has been quite smart, you can't deny that.

Yes, for £38m we can sign a bunch of decent players, but we don't need decent players to fill up the squad. We need a direct threat. £38m for Hulk is quite excessive and perhaps a couple of million over his preferred price of around £30m but that's the going rate of the market unfortunately.

Personally I'd pay £35m for Hulk at maximum in the current inflated market but it is what it is.

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Exactly. I thought it was well known to all that we were playing defensive football not by choice but because there was no other way. I don't know how some did not see that. Like I said, they've unfortunately become deluded as to where to draw the line between defence and attack. Do you see the top teams getting their attackers to defend? That is a very small club mentality.

every teams wingers defend when needed? i cant see what you are on about?

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prime example of a winger not defending is sturridge under AVB, we got raped because of him not tracking back!

AVB obviously had the attacking mentality which will NOT win a premier league title

wingers have to put their shift in against oppostion fullbacks, EVERY top team does it.....

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prime example of a winger not defending is sturridge under AVB, we got raped because of him not tracking back!

AVB obviously had the attacking mentality which will NOT win a premier league title

wingers have to put their shift in against oppostion fullbacks, EVERY top team does it.....

What about Ronaldo and Di Maria at Madrid? It doesn't always work like that.

What we need is some sort of tactical organisation that will allows us to carry the 4 attacking players up top. It wasn't because we used Sturridge as a false winger that we conceded loads of goals early in the season, it was more due to the high line tactics AVB implemented.

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let's all cover up that tactical discussion with some Hulk related posts now. We don't want BlueLion to try out his new Ban system now

i can understand some people having reservations over Hulk's price but whom would they have ahead of Hulk? Johnson? Krasic? Hell NO

Hulk will be a very important player for us if we manage to get him this summer, he is a player that in hard times can go insane and score important goals on his own, a bit like Hazard if not even better. A very powerful winger with great acceleration, a must get if you ask me. The price is quite much but if we have the money to buy him, why not? I prefer him anyday over the likes of Johnson and so on..

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What about Ronaldo and Di Maria at Madrid? It doesn't always work like that.

What we need is some sort of tactical organisation that will allows us to carry the 4 attacking players up top. It wasn't because we used Sturridge as a false winger that we conceded loads of goals early in the season, it was more due to the high line tactics AVB implemented.

Exactly. Marvin your point makes no sense.

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What about Ronaldo and Di Maria at Madrid? It doesn't always work like that.

What we need is some sort of tactical organisation that will allows us to carry the 4 attacking players up top. It wasn't because we used Sturridge as a false winger that we conceded loads of goals early in the season, it was more due to the high line tactics AVB implemented.

yes ronaldo and Dimaria put a shift in when they lose posession , we got people on here saying they shouldnt defend, that is an absolute joke and they obviously play too much fifa!

like good old mourinho's favourite formation when he was at chelsea was a 4:3:3 with the ball and a 4;5;1 when we aint got the ball, quite simple really

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The chelsea scouting team maybe shit But you would need to be God to pick out unheralded talent like that. by your point, we should be signing the likes of Junior Hoilett. your logic is wrong though you have a point. we should indeed be looking at Cabaye, Debuchy etc but we need TOP quality in one or two positions and for that we have to pay,mate

No, we don't. Not 38M anyway. United have never paid that for anyone and they are a top team every year. City only paid that much once and it was for Aguero. We have spent over 30M twice before Hazard (obviously can't judge him yet) and both buys were epic flops. Yes, you would have had to get lucky to have those exact buys, but that wasn't my point. The point is if that you spread your buying around a little, you can find real talent. Impact, star players, are bought every year for 20-25M. Nasri, Silva, Ya Ya Toure, and Mata all went between 23-25M in the last couple of years. Mario Balotelli was 19-year old striker playing regularly for Milan, and he went for 22M Euros. The idea that you have to spend huge money to get a top player is just nonsense.In fact, if you look at the PFA team of the year and how much it cost to buy these players: Hart-1.5 M, Walker-Under 9M , Kompany-6M, Coloccini-10.3M, Baines-6M, Silva and Toure both 24M, Parker-5.5M, Bale5-10M, RVP-2.75M, Rooney-25.6M. The entire starting XI of the team of the year, cost 124,65M or an average of 11.33M. As I said, the idea that you have to go out and buy a bunch of 30M+ players to win is absolute nonsense.

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No, we don't. Not 38M anyway. United have never paid that for anyone and they are a top team every year. City only paid that much once and it was for Aguero. We have spent over 30M twice before Hazard (obviously can't judge him yet) and both buys were epic flops. Yes, you would have had to get lucky to have those exact buys, but that wasn't my point. The point is if that you spread your buying around a little, you can find real talent. Impact, star players, are bought every year for 20-25M. Nasri, Silva, Ya Ya Toure, and Mata all went between 23-25M in the last couple of years. Mario Balotelli was 19-year old striker playing regularly for Milan, and he went for 22M Euros. The idea that you have to spend huge money to get a top player is just nonsense.In fact, if you look at the PFA team of the year and how much it cost to buy these players: Hart-1.5 M, Walker-Under 9M , Kompany-6M, Coloccini-10.3M, Baines-6M, Silva and Toure both 24M, Parker-5.5M, Bale5-10M, RVP-2.75M, Rooney-25.6M. The entire starting XI of the team of the year, cost 124,65M or an average of 11.33M. As I said, the idea that you have to go out and buy a bunch of 30M+ players to win is absolute nonsense.

yeah we always seem to get shafted on transfers dont we

makes me feel sick watching other clubs getting these bargains!

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yes of course not! but they WILL have to defend when we our out of posession which i believe you are now realising

Realising? I already know wingers have to do SOME sort of defending but some people were going on like our wingers should do nothing but contain/defend. Stop assuming, you know what they say about assuming...

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