David Luiz

[Special Juan 28,122]

of course he is! Jose is the manager and is responsible for everything! That's what being the boss means... come 3 seasons and he's got nothing to show and he's gone like any other manager.

If you and others have detected Luiz as an insufficient player for Chelsea, how can you and the same others say that Jose is blameless in not seeing the same? Which one is it? Did he not know Luiz when he joined and turned down the 21m offer from Barca? You know that offer might have been the last one in that figure if Luiz keeps on playing (and not playing) like this. He's been ostracized and the trend is downward save a great performance during the world cup.

How about not acquiring a substitute if he, like many here say, does not trust Luiz in defense?! Iva is on the right, Kalas is a youngster. he should have either used Luiz in defense, who's the player he's got, or traded him, and/or signed someone; preferable someone who would have immediately joined the club and not stayed elsewhere on loan.

Now if you want to blame our poor form on a single player, who barely plays, that's your prerogative, but at least acknowledge that the manager could have addressed "the problem" that was quite obvious according to you (and a few others). So, Jose must be blind like the rest of us (who see something in David Luiz) and expected more from the player, in which case he was "wrong", again according to you.

You may have a point in that Mourinho probably should've shifted the deadwood last summer, but clearly he wanted to see if he could utilise the existing assets effectively before cutting them loose. He's already done that with Mata, Essien and De Bruyne but there are still the likes of Ba, Mikel, Torres and Luiz hanging around. Maybe there weren't buyers for them in January and we still needed players who weren't cup-tied in Europe, but I expect all this to be addressed for next season which Jose has always stated was the target.

By the way, everyone sees something in David Luiz. He should be one of the best defenders in the world with all his talents but he's simply not got the right mentality. I'm not going to discuss mentality with you again because it's clearly something you don't believe in, but every supporter of this club sees what David has.

It's just some ignore the things he doesn't have.

Answered quite clearly for you above.

[robsblubot 3,595]

You may have a point in that Mourinho probably should've shifted the deadwood last summer, but clearly he wanted to see if he could utilise the existing assets effectively before cutting them loose. He's already done that with Mata, Essien and De Bruyne but there are still the likes of Ba, Mikel, Torres and Luiz hanging around. Maybe there weren't buyers for them in January and we still needed players who weren't cup-tied in Europe, but I expect all this to be addressed for next season which Jose has always stated was the target.

By the way, everyone sees something in David Luiz. He should be one of the best defenders in the world with all his talents but he's simply not got the right mentality. I'm not going to discuss mentality with you again because it's clearly something you don't believe in, but every supporter of this club sees what David has.

It's just some ignore the things he doesn't have.

You clearly haven't really read my posts then, because I am a firm believer of the importance of all tree (areas): technical, mental, physical. Some mention tactical, but I keep it with mental/psychological. I merely said that there have been exceptions; players who have succeeded when lacking in one of them (never more than one though) - they have just demanded a bit of mechanics around them.

It's actually quite ironic, because back in Brazil I was the one stating that mental and physical aspects are often overlooked there. I just can't imagine a player, however strong, however smart, however composed, who can't take control of the football can't pick a pass. All players in our squad have good technique, because you don't ever reach this level without it.

agreed in most points, but then again you can't say Jose's "blameless." It was his judgment and his system... It was a bet and he lost. BTW, he knew he was going to use Iva on the right from the get go, so he had to know he was going to be a bit short in defense. I can only imagine that Cole's failure further prevented him from rotating...

[quickpassnmove 924]

Every time I see rumours about this guy leaving, all I can think is: "Hurry up and sell him before the World Cup, Chelsea!"

[Henrique 9,133]

Every time I see rumours about this guy leaving, all I can think is: "Hurry up and sell him before the World Cup, Chelsea!"

After the WC his price will raise.

[bababoom 4,478]

£38 million would be outstanding for Luiz. This season he's mostly played in midfield, while i think he's been good in the position, he is not world class. 38 million is a lot of money and it'll mean we can buy a top quality midfielder to play alongside Matic.

If we sell Mikel, Ba, Moses, Marin and hopefully Torres, we should have at least £30 million. It means we can bring in a Striker, a top midfielder and a left back.

[Henrique 9,133]

£38 million would be outstanding for Luiz. This season he's mostly played in midfield, while i think he's been good in the position, he is not world class. 38 million is a lot of money and it'll mean we can buy a top quality midfielder to play alongside Matic.

If we sell Mikel, Ba, Moses, Marin and hopefully Torres, we should have at least £30 million. It means we can bring in a Striker, a top midfielder and a left back.

38m for a defender? Forget it.

[iseah100 5,612]

Don't sell David Luiz! He's awesome.

[bushman 2,043]

Don't sell David Luiz! He's awesome.

Luiz is awesome?

Have you seen him lately?

At 38m if true, pack his bags while someone wants to pay so much for him.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

38m for a defender? Forget it.

I reckon the oilcunts aka PSG are stupid enough to go for such an amount

[bushman 2,043]

If they were to pay 38m, let him go. For that amount Jose can buy an AM, easily.

[Special Juan 28,122]

38M? I will piggy back him to his destination.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

IF we get rid of David we need someone to replace him for the position he is playing as of recent and likely tomorrow, in the midfield. Imagine we didn't have Luiz and we had to start Mikel or worse. I'm still reluctant to give him away, he has been far from useless even in a season where he played bit parts. I'll be sad overall to see him go he's really good and if it wasn't for all these (rumors of) 30m+ offers I wouldn't see why we'd sell him. If it wasn't for he astronomical numbers I see (which I suspect are baloney like the shit these cretin journalists puke out on a daily basis) this decision to sell him would be no where near as easy as some of you make it seem. Lampard and Mikel have played more games than David so I think those few mistakes no matter how dire are definitely forgivable. I wouldn't get my heart set on us getting that 38m because that's an awful lot for a defender.

[iseah100 5,612]

Luiz is awesome?

Have you seen him lately?

At 38m if true, pack his bags while someone wants to pay so much for him.

Yea and he has his moments. Plus he's a fan favorite.

[bushman 2,043]

Yea and he has his moments. Plus he's a fan favorite.

Mata was well liked too. A fan favorite?

Players are signed to perform. If Chelsea can get 38m for Luiz, pack his bags ahead of the WC.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Yea and he has his moments. Plus he's a fan favorite.

used to be a fan favorite. Now most see him as a £35m kitty for the summer transfer window.