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4 hours ago, manpe said:

Haha no way my man. He was barely trusted for DMF in emergency cases, as AMF he'd be a disaster. He is a flashy defender but that and him being Brazilian doesn't mean he has any competence in attack I'm afraid... we need more goals, not dry them out even more.

Am kinda with @Unionjack on this one reason he didn't work as a DMF was because he still had to defend which we all no he cant do.... but what he can do is run with the ball has a good eye and aI good pass and has dynamite in his boot. Might just be worth a go tbh

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13 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Am kinda with @Unionjack on this one reason he didn't work as a DMF was because he still had to defend which we all no he cant do.... but what he can do is run with the ball has a good eye and aI good pass and has dynamite in his boot. Might just be worth a go tbh

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3 hours ago, BluesMadLad said:

Am kinda with @Unionjack on this one reason he didn't work as a DMF was because he still had to defend which we all no he cant do.... but what he can do is run with the ball has a good eye and aI good pass and has dynamite in his boot. Might just be worth a go tbh

So we're playing a life-long center-back as the most advanced midfielder while our most critical issue is goals, brilliant. He has a good eye for a pass because he plays deep as a CB, he has time to pick his passes and even then I consider his passing and technical ability overrated. Everybody can run with the ball given space... he is not going to dribble past 2-3 players when closed down. What do you think how he would fare higher up the field with midfielders and defenders swarming him? Dynamite in his boot? Need some clarification on this one.. and don't bring up the few successful free-kicks in his career or I will cringe.

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1 minute ago, manpe said:

So we're playing a life-long center-back as the most advanced midfielder while our most critical issue is goals, brilliant. He has a good eye for a pass because he plays deep as a CB, he has time to pick his passes and even then I consider his passing and technical ability overrated. Everybody can run with the ball given space... he is not going to dribble past 2-3 players when closed down. What do you think how he would fare higher up the field with midfielders and defenders swarming him? Dynamite in his boot? Need some clarification on this one.. and don't bring up the few successful free-kicks in his career or I will cringe.

And our other options are? And u can not deny the lad has one hell of a shot on him, also I seen him run past 3 players plenty of time from his own half as a centre back. And if any one can pass will u please tell that to barkley RLC.

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3 hours ago, BluesMadLad said:

Am kinda with @Unionjack on this one reason he didn't work as a DMF was because he still had to defend which we all no he cant do.... but what he can do is run with the ball has a good eye and aI good pass and has dynamite in his boot. Might just be worth a go tbh

 

3 hours ago, Unionjack said:

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I see both your thinking on this and to be fair wouldn't be the worst move in the world.......But guys, doesn't this just show up the desperation in our team at present. There was a time when if we needed a player for a position we just went out and bought him. Now we haggle, drag our heels and then find they have been picked up by our rivals.

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13 hours ago, Starman60 said:

But guys, doesn't this just show up the desperation in our team at present.

Course it does. You going to buy us the players we need? APPARENTLY we are buying Felir and Oblak all of a sudden. You gotta giggle

But when you got lemons you make lemonade. Just have to fuck about with positions till you find summet that works.

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19 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

And our other options are? And u can not deny the lad has one hell of a shot on him, also I seen him run past 3 players plenty of time from his own half as a centre back. And if any one can pass will u please tell that to barkley RLC.

Our other options are Barkley, RLC, Fabregas, even Willian and Hazard I would say they are all ahead of bloody Luiz for this role. And if need be recall Mason Mount. Though I admit I would be fascinated to see Luiz in that position just for shits and giggles. :D 

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/12/maurizio-sarri-david-luiz-chelsea

David Luiz seems reinvigorated under Sarri, and effusively praised the new coach’s approach last week, noting that he was “in love” with a style that “everyone enjoys watching”. If one were so minded, that could be interpreted as a swipe at Conte: whatever his intention, it appears that David Luiz’s admiration is mutual.

“I very much enjoy his attitude when I am working with him,” Sarri said. “He is also a very good player and a very good defender. David is very good at building up action from our defence with the way he plays. David has a big future here. He will be very useful for us but not just on the pitch, he is also important in the dressing room.”[/quo[te

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9 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Dont think he is finished already albeit he was a liability vs Terriers and hopefully will be eased out for Christensen during the season. 

he was awful against city he was doing a lot of ball watching I'm afraid we will leaky alot of goals if he continues playing at the back 

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1 minute ago, the wes said:

he was awful against city he was doing a lot of ball watching I'm afraid we will leaky alot of goals if he continues playing at the back 

True but the whole team was awful

vs City b cause City are just so much better than we are rn. Sarris does not seem as dogmatic as Conte and Mourinho sonI hope he will drop him as soon as he gets too shaky

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21 minutes ago, the wes said:

he was awful against city he was doing a lot of ball watching I'm afraid we will leaky alot of goals if he continues playing at the back 

Hes been doing a lot of ball watching his entire Chelsea career. Its annoys fuck out me because that and recklessly trying to step out and fouling someone or taking himself out the game trying that happens almost every week. Conte and that back 3 helped him the first season he came back but old habits die hard, we seen last season where the same errors became more apparent. His quality on the ball was always going to buy him a life line under Sarri but still don't think it should make him a shoe in. Defenders should be able to defend to a degree first and foremost, Alonso as well, he can defend but lacks the pace to recover or get back in if hes been high up, which is a shame because it will hurt the team and if he was a wee bit quicker he'd be more than solid enough but even in some attacking situations you see his lack of pace can let us down. I have big doubts about Luiz and Alonso in a back 4 against a top team, can't wait to see it. 

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5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Hes been doing a lot of ball watching his entire Chelsea career. Its annoys fuck out me because that and recklessly trying to step out and fouling someone or taking himself out the game trying that happens almost every week. Conte and that back 3 helped him the first season he came back but old habits die hard, we seen last season where the same errors became more apparent. His quality on the ball was always going to buy him a life line under Sarri but still don't think it should make him a shoe in. Defenders should be able to defend to a degree first and foremost, Alonso as well, he can defend but lacks the pace to recover or get back in if hes been high up, which is a shame because it will hurt the team and if he was a wee bit quicker he'd be more than solid enough but even in some attacking situations you see his lack of pace can let us down. I have big doubts about Luiz and Alonso in a back 4 against a top team, can't wait to see it. 

Everything you said there I 100% agree with mate I can't understand why Emerson hasn't been giving a fair chance ?

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4 minutes ago, the wes said:

Everything you said there I 100% agree with mate I can't understand why Emerson hasn't been giving a fair chance ?

Regarding Alonso, I'll go out in a limb and say that perhaps the second manager, several coaches, and staff see something in practice that we don't get too see. I tend to think the starter faces the tougher opponents (than the subs), so it's usually unfair to compare them. I feel his lack of pace is exaggerated and it's a simplistic view akin to when folks say that when Hazard beats a player, it's one less defender the attack has to deal with. In any working system, neither would be true. I actually think Alonso, being the polar opposite of Azpi, is a great fit in terms of characteristics, but that's just me. Still, I feel Emerson will get minutes this season and will be able to show is value to the team. Also suspect his injury history makes the coaches a bit cautious with him, perhaps doing some strengthening on the side too.

D.Luiz is far more quirky case than Alonso. You can play Luiz as a CB, but the system has to be tweaked so much that few teams and managers are willing to do so. He gives you a lot though: his passing is of jorginho quality (would say D.Luiz has better range actually), which is of course not a key ability for a CB. But when you are pressing the opposition, David Luiz can really help a side... could def see him working well under Pep for ex.

Not overly worried. I honestly don't think the defense will be more exposed in Sarri's formation. The 4 in the back will be well protected by 2 player who defend well, plus others who can help as well (Ross). 

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52 minutes ago, the wes said:

Everything you said there I 100% agree with mate I can't understand why Emerson hasn't been giving a fair chance ?

I know but again Alonso isn't necessarily a bad player, hes been pretty solid and done well offensively since coming here, its just the lack of pace in a flat back 4 I think if he goes up or gets targeted by a Salah/Sterling/Sanchez or somebody who has genuine raw pace he will be found out a bit. He adds height, good option offensively and defensively from set plays, his attacking play is actually decent and hes obviously cool and collected on the ball so he fits the bill of what Sarri wants in a left back. I think Emerson is a good player too but maybe a bit more rough around the edges, maybe not, that couple of yards of pace he has on Alonso gives him a case but I am under the impression that hes not as defensively sound as Alonso. I'd like to see him be tried more this season than under Conte and even Zappacosta has looked a different man under Sarri in pre-season (which I suppose its only pre season but still) so I think our full back options (Azpi first choice at RB obviously) are more than decent enough just a few slight concerns regarding that. I am genuinely more concerned about Luiz than Alonso in terms of defending.  

 

33 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Regarding Alonso, I'll go out in a limb and say that perhaps the second manager, several coaches, and staff see something in practice that we don't get too see. I tend to think the starter faces the tougher opponents (than the subs), so it's usually unfair to compare them. I feel his lack of pace is exaggerated and it's a simplistic view akin to when folks say that when Hazard beats a player, it's one less defender the attack has to deal with. In any working system, neither would be true. I actually think Alonso, being the polar opposite of Azpi, is a great fit in terms of characteristics, but that's just me. Still, I feel Emerson will get minutes this season and will be able to show is value to the team. Also suspect his injury history makes the coaches a bit cautious with him, perhaps doing some strengthening on the side too.

D.Luiz is far more quirky case than Alonso. You can play Luiz as a CB, but the system has to be tweaked so much that few teams and managers are willing to do so. He gives you a lot though: his passing is of jorginho quality (would say D.Luiz has better range actually), which is of course not a key ability for a CB. But when you are pressing the opposition, David Luiz can really help a side... could def see him working well under Pep for ex.

Not overly worried. I honestly don't think the defense will be more exposed in Sarri's formation. The 4 in the back will be well protected by 2 player who defend well, plus others who can help as well (Ross). 

No definitely 100% I think the pace is really his only weakness. Hes hardly slow as fuck but if he was a yard or two quicker I'd be a bit more confident in him defensively (hes more than solid enough but that bit of pace would be helpful against the guys I'd named up there, who are 100mph breakneck speed), maybe its an unfair criticism maybe not. 

Luiz's passing is a plus but I think its slightly overrated too, I think you look at Rudiger and Christensen, these guys are more than confident enough with the ball, they aren't going to panic and just punt it but there's been plenty of times over Luiz's career where hes willing to go for the spectacular pass too often, trying to force things and it doesn't come off and again it will happen probably, not always the worst thing but I am much more concerned about him defending at times because he can be extremely reckless or just doze off and he gets away with it sometimes and I feel that with this new way of playing, adapting to it for a while he might just get that complacency creeping in like last season before he got dropped/injured (the year after he had an outstanding season and was probably one of the best CBs in Europe I might add) and it could cost us. Hopefully not but I've never been 100% convinced about Luiz defensively. 

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On 8/12/2018 at 5:50 PM, OneMoSalah said:

I know but again Alonso isn't necessarily a bad player, hes been pretty solid and done well offensively since coming here, its just the lack of pace in a flat back 4 I think if he goes up or gets targeted by a Salah/Sterling/Sanchez or somebody who has genuine raw pace he will be found out a bit. He adds height, good option offensively and defensively from set plays, his attacking play is actually decent and hes obviously cool and collected on the ball so he fits the bill of what Sarri wants in a left back. I think Emerson is a good player too but maybe a bit more rough around the edges, maybe not, that couple of yards of pace he has on Alonso gives him a case but I am under the impression that hes not as defensively sound as Alonso. I'd like to see him be tried more this season than under Conte and even Zappacosta has looked a different man under Sarri in pre-season (which I suppose its only pre season but still) so I think our full back options (Azpi first choice at RB obviously) are more than decent enough just a few slight concerns regarding that. I am genuinely more concerned about Luiz than Alonso in terms of defending.  

 

No definitely 100% I think the pace is really his only weakness. Hes hardly slow as fuck but if he was a yard or two quicker I'd be a bit more confident in him defensively (hes more than solid enough but that bit of pace would be helpful against the guys I'd named up there, who are 100mph breakneck speed), maybe its an unfair criticism maybe not. 

Luiz's passing is a plus but I think its slightly overrated too, I think you look at Rudiger and Christensen, these guys are more than confident enough with the ball, they aren't going to panic and just punt it but there's been plenty of times over Luiz's career where hes willing to go for the spectacular pass too often, trying to force things and it doesn't come off and again it will happen probably, not always the worst thing but I am much more concerned about him defending at times because he can be extremely reckless or just doze off and he gets away with it sometimes and I feel that with this new way of playing, adapting to it for a while he might just get that complacency creeping in like last season before he got dropped/injured (the year after he had an outstanding season and was probably one of the best CBs in Europe I might add) and it could cost us. Hopefully not but I've never been 100% convinced about Luiz defensively. 

agree with everything else except on Luiz passing. Some of his passing against Huddersfield was just incredible, like fast forward passes in between players, which are difficult to intercept. Some of them were a bit too heavy for Pedro (not the greatest first touch either :)). But once again, this was against very weak opposition...

D.Luiz seems to be at his best against both the very weak and the toughest opposition... :) anything in between and he's in trouble

 

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1 hour ago, Robguima said:

agree with everything else except on Luiz passing. Some of his passing against Huddersfield were just incredible, like fast forward passes in between players, which are difficult to intercept. Some of them were a bit too heavy for Pedro (not the greatest first touch either :)). But once again, this was against very weak opposition...

D.Luiz seems to be at his best against both the very weak and the toughest opposition... :) anything in between and he's in trouble

 

I don't like D.luiz defending as much as the average chelsea fan but from what I saw against Huddersfield, he has become very crucial to our tactics. Jorginho is going to be targeted, man-marked, and we need someone from the back who can spread the play and take control. D.luiz is one of the best in the world at this. Sarri will have noticed this, and this is why I think Luiz and Rudiger (our best CB long range passers) will be our starting CBs for the rest of the season.

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