David Luiz

[lionsden 4,689]

The Luiz I am watching right now for brazil is definitely a great defender. Whether or not he's the same person playing for Chelsea is a different matter all together lol.

And that right there is my biggeat issue with him and oscar. I had rather have players whose best performamces are usually at club level playing for chelsea than vice versa.

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A failure to track a runner is a mistake. Doing it in crunch situations like the 87th minute is a massive mistake.

It was a very simple run by a very average player. We're talking about Victor fucking Anichebe here

We don't need to sell him, and Barcelona need a defender. If you hadn't noticed there aren't many world class defenders available so even certain players who can't get in the first team are fairly expensive - same went for Mata. Price isn't dependent solely on the quality of the player in question (a basic error you keep on making) but on the supply of similar players.

Another ridiculous point that you keep on making and should probably stop. No offers have been made for John Terry. No offers have been reported for Messi in the last couple of years either.

Do you know why? Because the club who owns the player has to be a willing seller. We wouldn't sell Cahill for a fee that wasn't extortionate but we would sell Luiz. Understand?

I think he'll be a fine player for Barca....and I'd love to see him in the starting line-up against us because I wouldn't put it past him to fuck up under pressure.

I've also not seen anyone here say Cahill and Terry were the best CB pairing in Europe - am I misremembering or are you lying?

Either way they're the best pairing in this league and they're the best pairing in our club....long may they continue. :blue scalf: :blue scalf:

And you think Dempsey is a lot better than Victor?! Whatever...

My point about Cahill is not really a point or opinion, but a fact. Cahill's valuation is what it is... same applies to Luiz.

Yeah we've seen a lot of teams putting Barca under pressure especially us. Of course it's going to be VERY difficult to put Barca under pressure with our CBs sitting inside our six-yard-box. Even when we beat them we did NOT put them under pressure and it was quite the other way around actually.

People apparently have already forgotten Cahill's and Terry's performances under AVB's high pressure/possession game. And I am not saying he was right - it's up to the manager to work with the squad he's got. Just to emphasize that players' form depend on the system used and whether it benefits them or not.

I hope I am wrong because if I am right, playing against Barca with him as a CB/CM combo player is going to be very difficult.

My personal opinion is that we didn't win the CL because of a solid defense, because of Cahill, Luiz, or Mata. We won because we had a very special player in the team and that was Drogba.

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And you think Dempsey is a lot better than Victor?! Whatever...

Huh?? No. I think it was catastrophic defending.

My point about Cahill is not really a point or opinion, but a fact. Cahill's valuation is what it is... same applies to Luiz.

So Cahill's valuation is a 'fact' is it then Rafa? If it's a fact you wouldn't mind telling me what his valuation is right now then.

My personal opinion is that we didn't win the CL because of a solid defense, because of Cahill, Luiz, or Mata. We won because we had a very special player in the team and that was Drogba.

Well, you're half right. We won because we were lucky. Simple as that.

People apparently have already forgotten Cahill's and Terry's performances under AVB's high pressure/possession game.

Fuck me, Cahill only played 3 fucking times under AVB and they never played together. You can throw Ivanovic, Bosingwa, Luiz and even Cole into that category of 'not performing under AVB'.

Your commitment to Luiz is laudable but if you want to keep doing it in future you may need to learn French or Spanish.

Oh, and he might be valuable to Barca and their world class manager but he's not that valuable to Jose Mourinho, and that's all that matters. Too much time spent talking about a sub.

Oh, and nice Instagram account Dave - that's what's held JT back from being a great defender.

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Huh?? No. I think it was catastrophic defending.

So Cahill's valuation is a 'fact' is it then Rafa? If it's a fact you wouldn't mind telling me what his valuation is right now then.

Well, you're half right. We won because we were lucky. Simple as that.

Fuck me, Cahill only played 3 fucking times under AVB and they never played together. You can throw Ivanovic, Bosingwa, Luiz and even Cole into that category of 'not performing under AVB'.

Your commitment to Luiz is laudable but if you want to keep doing it in future you may need to learn French or Spanish.

Oh, and he might be valuable to Barca and their world class manager but he's not that valuable to Jose Mourinho, and that's all that matters. Tata.

Sure, David Luiz valuation is 25M which is how much we paid for him. The current valuation is something between that and what Chelsea and Barcelona agree next summer. Now if you want the most current valuation of David Luiz, that is 21m euros which was the ACTUAL offer we got from Barcelona last summer. Either way, really not rocket science.

Cahill and John Terry are too slow to play in a high defense line.

Agree on Jose's and it's not surprising concerning how his teams play.

David Luiz is a Chelsea player and I merely remember the GOOD and VERY GOOD performances he HAS had for Chelsea in defense and midfield.

The moment David Luiz is sold, I will watch him for Brazil and that's about it. Won't lose my sleep one bit - this is entertainment and as far from a job as it gets.

BTW, I don't think Brazil are contenders, aside from playing at home, and it's certainly not because of David Luiz. This is the best defender pairing I've even seen for Brazil. Unfortunately, that's not what wins World Cups: Brazil are a bit short on Drogbas this time around. Instead we've got Fred and Jo...

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Of course he'll look great next to Thiago Silva, he's the best defender in the World. Brazil also play a high pressing system & high line which suits Luiz's style.

Terry & Cahill excel in a completely opposite defensive setup.

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I dont think chelsea will ever get to see brazil Luiz.

the team makeup wont allow it.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10676750/Barcelona-to-bid-25m-for-Chelseas-David-Luiz-now-that-Carles-Puyol-is-on-his-way.html

interesting read.

I totally buy the idea he wasn't the one who refused to join Barcelona (convenient for him to say it) and it was Chelsea who turned down the 21m bid. It would be disappointing, but not the first time I've seen it happen (the sulking that follows).

That's the reason the club is always first - players (any) come and go.

[zolayes 14,489]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

and i believe you know EVERYTHING ..or think you do

luiz IS a good potentially a great defender ,,,

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and i believe you know EVERYTHING ..or think you do

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

Jesus christ the ammount of ignorance, stupidity and prejudice against Luiz is absolutley stunning.

I can definatley see a smiliar case like with Sturridge. People were telling themselfes that Danny was a selfish cunt becase he was trying to score goals for Chelsea and because he was (possibly) frustrated for the way he was treated here. Now just look at him, absolutley flourished and there is no fucking sign of him being selfish what so ever. And regarding selfish...every striker has some of that and its needed, because in the end, they are meant to score goals.

Another thing is people say we look shaky in the defense when Luiz is CB. Well anyone claiming that this is simply only related to Luiz is blind and dont know shit about football. We've played much better as a team lately and just bare in mind, with Luiz+Matic as DMs for instance, it makes the life for the CBs a HELL lot of easier.

Even with Luiz+Ramires because Luiz makes a lot of interceptions/tackles and whatnot. He actually breaks up the oppositions team alot more than he gets credit for. And just like people say HE COULD HAVE costs us points yada yada yada you could say the same thing about the fact that if he sometimes doesnt make that "reckless" tackle or whatnot, a really dangerous goalscoring opportunity could occur against us.

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Jesus christ the ammount of ignorance, stupidity and prejudice against Luiz is absolutley stunning.

I can definatley see a smiliar case like with Sturridge. People were telling themselfes that Danny was a selfish cunt becase he was trying to score goals for Chelsea and because he was (possibly) frustrated for the way he was treated here. Now just look at him, absolutley flourished and there is no fucking sign of him being selfish what so ever. And regarding selfish...every striker has some of that and its needed, because in the end, they are meant to score goals.

Another thing is people say we look shaky in the defense when Luiz is CB. Well anyone claiming that this is simply only related to Luiz is blind and dont know shit about football. We've played much better as a team lately and just bare in mind, with Luiz+Matic as DMs for instance, it makes the life for the CBs a HELL lot of easier.

Even with Luiz+Ramires because Luiz makes a lot of interceptions/tackles and whatnot. He actually breaks up the oppositions team alot more than he gets credit for. And just like people say HE COULD HAVE costs us points yada yada yada you could say the same thing about the fact that if he sometimes doesnt make that "reckless" tackle or whatnot, a really dangerous goalscoring opportunity could occur against us.

Take a deep breath. Repeat after me. Inhale, hold for 3 seconds then release. Do you feel better. Your sturridge claims would make sense or have any credibility if you can prove that I didn't rate him and was in support of his sale to liverpool. I stand firmly on my luiz stance and if in the unlikely event that he goes on to becone a class defender if/when he leaves then it would mean he would have defied heavy odds because no defender in hostory has gone from an unreliable, tactically naive and weak defender at the age of 26 to become a world class defender. That ship has sailed. Every single world class defenders both past and present were at the very least highly dependable and reliable at luiz age. I couldn't really give a damn waiting till enternity for the mythical potential that he posesses to come to fruition.

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Jesus christ the ammount of ignorance, stupidity and prejudice against Luiz is absolutley stunning.

I can definatley see a smiliar case like with Sturridge. People were telling themselfes that Danny was a selfish cunt becase he was trying to score goals for Chelsea and because he was (possibly) frustrated for the way he was treated here. Now just look at him, absolutley flourished and there is no fucking sign of him being selfish what so ever. And regarding selfish...every striker has some of that and its needed, because in the end, they are meant to score goals.

Another thing is people say we look shaky in the defense when Luiz is CB. Well anyone claiming that this is simply only related to Luiz is blind and dont know shit about football. We've played much better as a team lately and just bare in mind, with Luiz+Matic as DMs for instance, it makes the life for the CBs a HELL lot of easier.

Even with Luiz+Ramires because Luiz makes a lot of interceptions/tackles and whatnot. He actually breaks up the oppositions team alot more than he gets credit for. And just like people say HE COULD HAVE costs us points yada yada yada you could say the same thing about the fact that if he sometimes doesnt make that "reckless" tackle or whatnot, a really dangerous goalscoring opportunity could occur against us.

Repeat after me. Ignore the De Niro guy. Do you feel better already?

He talks about odds as if he pulled them out of his ass - maybe because he did. Otherwise he'd be able to SELL (for a lot of money) his vast knowledge about player's potential to the likes of Barcelona! I mean, if he could convince (let alone prove) to Barcelona, Bayern, and PSG, that DL's "ship has already sailed" he'd save them a lot of money, therefore the information in itself would be worth a lot of money.

If he thinks DL is mentally weak, he must acknowledge Ramires is mentally strong and yet, just check what he writes about Ramires on the Ramires thread.

OK my bad... Ramires is not technically as gifted as Luiz (even though De Niro guy thinks DL is also poor technique wise lol). I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

Now go on to Oscar's thread and read his comments... Oscar is one of the most rounded players I've ever seen and yet he thinks he sucks that he does not give 100% for chelsea! The little guy tackles anything that moves for us!

I mean if you don't yet see the pattern here, I'm not going to spell it out for you. Just wait until Willian has a few poor games...

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Repeat after me. Ignore the De Niro guy. Do you feel better already?

He talks about odds as if he pulled them out of his ass - maybe because he did. Otherwise he'd be able to SELL (for a lot of money) his vast knowledge about player's potential to the likes of Barcelona! I mean, if he could convince (let alone prove) to Barcelona, Bayern, and PSG, that DL's "ship has already sailed" he'd save them a lot of money, therefore the information in itself would be worth a lot of money.

If he thinks DL is mentally weak, he must acknowledge Ramires is mentally strong and yet, just check what he writes about Ramires on the Ramires thread.

OK my bad... Ramires is not technically as gifted as Luiz (even though De Niro guy thinks DL is also poor technique wise lol). I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

Now go on to Oscar's thread and read his comments... Oscar is one of the most rounded players I've ever seen and yet he thinks he sucks that he does not give 100% for chelsea! The little guy tackles anything that moves for us!

I mean if you don't yet see the pattern here, I'm not going to spell it out for you. Just wait until Willian has a few poor games...

"de niro guy". Only a mental midget would find that funny enough to attempt to use it as a derigatory term which im sire is the underlying purpose of the use. As for the drivel you wrote up there. If you are going to refute a claim and dismiss ot, the leaat you can do is to provide proof and examples that proves the contrary. Ao how many world class defenders were shaky and unreliable at liz age?.

Your hero and fellow country man luiz is mentally weak and unreliable ag the back. Now go on and cry some more. The deniro guy doesn't rate my darling luiz booo hoooo

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"de niro guy". Only a mental midget would find that funny enough to attempt to use it as a derigatory term which im sire is the underlying purpose of the use. As for the drivel you wrote up there. If you are going to refute a claim and dismiss ot, the leaat you can do is to provide proof and examples that proves the contrary. Ao how many world class defenders were shaky and unreliable at liz age?.

Your hero and fellow country man luiz is mentally weak and unreliable ag the back. Now go on and cry some more. The deniro guy doesn't rate my darling luiz booo hoooo

It's really not funny... just sad.

You seem unwilling to read the drivel I write and the feeling is mutual. That's what the ignore list is for.

see ya.

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I mean if you don't yet see the pattern here, I'm not going to spell it out for you. Just wait until Willian has a few poor games...

Turning it into a race/nationality thing again are we? Well I think Ramires is technically poor and David Luiz is weak mentally (nothing else explains how such a fine physical and technically specimen simply can't put all those tools together and be one of the best in the world), but I've said on numerous occasions that Oscar has been one of our best players. That must hurt the old brain-box when you can't just make derisory implications about other posters.

Otherwise he'd be able to SELL (for a lot of money) his vast knowledge about player's potential to the likes of Barcelona! I mean, if he could convince (let alone prove) to Barcelona, Bayern, and PSG, that DL's "ship has already sailed" he'd save them a lot of money, therefore the information in itself would be worth a lot of money.

It's amazing that you place such stock in Barcelona's view of defenders (they've gotten by with playing Javier Mascherano, one of the better DMs around, in defence for the last couple of years and even played Yaya Toure there for a time...some teams don't need quality defenders) but don't seem to have much time for Jose Mourinho's view....he's the Chelsea manager FYI.

Jesus christ the ammount of ignorance, stupidity and prejudice against Luiz is absolutley stunning.

And the amount of burying of heads in the sand done by Luiz's little fanclub is absolutely baffling....but look at you using pejoratives again like the poster every decent member of this forum knows you to be.

Another thing is people say we look shaky in the defense when Luiz is CB. Well anyone claiming that this is simply only related to Luiz is blind and dont know shit about football.

If you swear hand on heart that you don't have a worry in your head when Luiz is named on the team sheet then that's fine.....but you're in the minority if my experiences of supporting Chelsea are anything to go by.

In theory (which is where I think fans like you only assess David Luiz....and maybe FIFA 14 because he's tremendous on there) David Luiz is the best defender in the world. HE HAS EVERYTHING......except the mental side of the game and that is something that a certain type of immature supporter completely overlooks.

The mental side of the game is the most important aspect of any sportsman. I have yet to be convinced by anyone that a mental midget can reach the highest echelons of any sport, regardless of innate talent and physical superiority. That top two inches can make or break whatever else that player has and it needs to be there on a consistent basis. Those are the things that top coaches like Mourinho respect, and I don't understand how anyone who professes to be a Chelsea supporter and has watched the likes of Drogba, Terry and Lampard drag this team to wins through sheer guts and mental strength and the will to win can fail to understand that.

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It's really not funny... just sad.

You seem unwilling to read the drivel I write and the feeling is mutual. That's what the ignore list is for.

see ya.

You find the use of one of the greatest actors of all time as an avatar sad?.

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Well this topic has fallen into a proper shit-slinging mess.

Everyone has such strong views over Luiz it seems....

Can't we all agree that we'd be happy for him to stay as a utility player, but if we get a £30M+ offer for him then it is better for both him and the club to let him go.

[zolayes 14,489]

You find the use of one of the greatest actors of all time as an avatar sad?.

another of your opinions you consider to be a fact ,, even more sad