David Luiz

[Dion 2,476]

I find much of the bashing on Luiz really unfair tbh. He was not THAT poor yesterday. And even if he were, A. Cole had an awful start, Cahill wasn't much better either, nor was Ivanovic, who's even received a red card (it wasn't a foul imho, but he could have avoided it). Neither I think we can get a better cb than him or cahill easily or for cheap. The best thing we can expect for now is for RDM to find the best defensive system with the players we've got and hope things come together. Maybe then we won't even demand another cb.

[The Skipper 20,609]

There's a reason Luiz starts over Cahill who is a good defender himself. RDM is not dumb.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I was calm, I just think that Luiz deserves the criticism that he receives.

Of course it's cool to criticise a player after a few below par performances, but there is difference between criticism and saying we should sell him/that he's been a waste of money etc.

Luiz hasn't reached his peak at all for us, there's still a lot to come from him.

[mediator 2,026]

i'm happy with him if he stops those stupids long passes to hazard and mata....

4 or 5 possessions are lost each game because of that. What a donkey

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Of course it's cool to criticise a player after a few below par performances, but there is difference between criticism and saying we should sell him/that he's been a waste of money etc.

The "Sell him, he's a waste of money" posts are always an absurd overreaction that doesn't understand the nature of the sport.

1) The vast majority of players go through ups and downs. How many people were saying "sell Cech, sell Lampard, sell Cole, sell Drogba, etc.." after their relatively poor starts last year? Having a bad few games doesn't mean your a bad player..

2) Football is a team game. Take Ivanovic. If Chelsea had more width, he'd be able to stay back more and inevitably be in better defensive positions. So, yes, his poor defensive positioning is somewhat his fault, but it's also down to the system we play.

Luiz is frustrating because he fails when he he either seems to zone out and make some basic mistake or when he tries to do too much.He needs to stop those long balls up the field. He needs to stay in better positions. Like in acting or in sex, sometimes doing less is gets better results.

[The Skipper 20,609]

The "Sell him, he's a waste of money" posts are always an absurd overreaction that doesn't understand the nature of the sport.

1) The vast majority of players go through ups and downs. How many people were saying "sell Cech, sell Lampard, sell Cole, sell Drogba, etc.." after their relatively poor starts last year? Having a bad few games doesn't mean your a bad player..

2) Football is a team game. Take Ivanovic. If Chelsea had more width, he'd be able to stay back more and inevitably be in better defensive positions. So, yes, his poor defensive positioning is somewhat his fault, but it's also down to the system we play.

Luiz is frustrating because he fails when he he either seems to zone out and make some basic mistake or when he tries to do too much.He needs to stop those long balls up the field. He needs to stay in better positions. Like in acting or in sex, sometimes doing less is gets better results.

Fully agree. I say give it a few seasons, and Luiz will sort out this problem. Apart from the minor mistakes he makes now and then he's an excellent prospect. As he gets older and more experienced he'll start making better decisions and he'll read the game better.

[Strike 7,478]

There's a reason Luiz starts over Cahill who is a good defender himself. RDM is not dumb.

Disagree with that. I agree with the part where the public bashes Luiz but that's no reason to say he's a good defender.

the reason for the public bashing on luiz is that his mistakes are obvious to the naked eye. i don't agree with the public opinion of luiz but i certainly don't agree that he is a great defender. looking at luiz objectively, he improved considerably at the back end of last season and had continued in the same way this season but he has made a fair few mistakes this season. weird tendecies to play Hollywood passes and also to drop very deep to a "blocking" position. you can't say he is a good defender based on the fact that RDM prefers Luiz or that the public marks him.

as @CHOULO19, mentioned, Cahill's mistakes are less apparent. cahill is often caught on the counter and also has the tendency to back away as in the case of the first United goal where he didnt dare challenge Young for the ball.

what we have to accept is that our defenders are no beasts. they are nowhere near the best in the world. Luiz has a better potential but it has been around 2 years since he arrived and he still doesn't look reliable. you can't make a case for Luiz being better than Cahill or that he will turn into a world class defender. both luiz and cahill are Good defenders but i fully expect the club to sign a new CB once Terry hangs up his boots

[Strike 7,478]

http://www.carefreechronicles.com/2012/10/pointing-fingers-goals-from-luiz-og-and.html

not sure if posted already but that's an analysis of united's first-half goals. doesn't tell the whole story about our defence but analyses what went wrong in the 2 early goals conceded

[Kieran. 6,317]

When Luiz is at the top of his game, he's world-class but his dips in form are way too common and very concerning.

[Strike 7,478]

ridiculous from luiz again. and cahill cut open at the back. what a soft goal to concede.

[Milan 17,955]

looks like he doesn't give a single shit, so sloppy, incredibly sloppy

[Jase 43,479]

I don't know how long more we can take this. Absolutely pathetic from him. Haven't ventured forward in last dozen of matches and he suddenly does it and lose the ball, as always. He just never learned, does he? Must have gotten overconfident having scored the penalty!

[Strike 7,478]

No point discussing how good he is defensively if he keeps making silly mistakes. 2 freakin years have passed and he's still committing school-boy errors. absolutely ridiculous

[Spike 12,049]

Maybe not as a DM but maybe a FB or B2B midfielder.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

He just needs to stay in his area and pass to either of the two players in the pivots. The ones who actually have the luxury of time to look for a pass!!