manpe 10,861 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 There'a a lot of debate about Luiz playing in a midfield role (i almost quoted a few of them from a couple of pages back) mostly saying he looks like a CB playing as DM, not natural and not especially well. Some people say that? I guess they haven't seen Phil Jones or Demichelis playing in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Was a very very good display from him Monday Night, Him and Luiz really look like they are a good partnership and bully teams in the middle. My god its been a while since we bullied a midfield like we did on Monday night, It was like the days of Essien, Ballack and Lampard all over again. Joshybizzle and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Rafa/Jose know best. All over the place defensively tonight keep him at DM unless it's unavoidable. Mr_President 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Rafa/Jose know best. All over the place defensively tonight keep him at DM unless it's unavoidable.indeed and that's the amount of risk it takes to win big.Yes, Terry would've been a more solid option with better aerial and blocking. Luiz didn't do the offside line well enough and that's going to become a problem as he moves to midfield and then back to defense. Why should've played with a more solid backline against newcastle at the bridge?Take for example the 2nd goal: Luiz (bad?!) instincts made him move to the left, even though Chelsea was not completely out of the woods yet. Still it paid off because he was there to quickly pull the counter, which found willian in pace.There was another play where Luiz sets up Hazard with an absolutely perfect 50 yard pass.The decision of when to play luiz in defense, or in the middle, or not at all depends really on Mourinho's tactics, obviously. Aside from WH game, Jose seems to get this better than any other manager. Look at what happened to Arsenal when they started with a single holding mid away from home - if you can call Arteta that....In contrast with WH match, this was a perfect line up to beat a weaker side into oblivion, which is exactly what happened. Gilvorak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 He wasn't up to his best again - it was more less the same we've seen from him this season.I still believe he's very useful for us, and we need him.A few matches - as a CB - could help, but it was clear how much we've missed JT today, so I think we can cope with his sub-par season for the rest of it, and next season is a clean slate for him, especially after the WC where I expect him to do very well. Hopefully he'll be highly motivated and we'll be able to see the best of him playing for us.For now, he's clearly our third CB - but still very, very useful. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 He wasn't up to his best again - it was more less the same we've seen from him this season.I still believe he's very useful for us, and we need him.A few matches - as a CB - could help, but it was clear how much we've missed JT today, so I think we can cope with his sub-par season for the rest of it, and next season is a clean slate for him, especially after the WC where I expect him to do very well. Hopefully he'll be highly motivated and we'll be able to see the best of him playing for us.For now, he's clearly our third CB - but still very, very useful.I dont get it...A clean sheet, comfortable win and Newcastle didnt have much on us. Solid defensive play and yet you critisize Luiz.What did/didnt he do according to you? How was he worse than Cahill this game? What after this game streghten your belief that hes our 3rd choice defender? Henrique 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I dont get it...A clean sheet, comfortable win and Newcastle didnt have much on us. Solid defensive play and yet you critisize Luiz.What did/didnt he do according to you? How was he worse than Cahill this game? What after this game streghten your belief that hes our 3rd choice defender?I'm not complaining or criticizing. I'm just assessing a match and a situation.I did compliment him for that amazing pass to Willian in our first goal (in the match thread) but defensively he was shaky at moments. That header someone from Newcastle had on his back, in the first half; he had an 'old!Cahill' moment in the second half where he was pointing to someone cover the wing, while slowly back-running, not breaking to the side himself, nor properly marking the man ahead of him, who's got a very good shot, but I guess Cech deflected (or someone else did, or the guy missed, although it was a very good position to shoot).I'm defending his permanence in the club and saying it's hard for him to get a streak of matches now (given the other defenders' performances and form) - which could possibly help him with his form. He's been subpar compared to himself (on his best) and compared to JT and Cahill this season. There's nothing wrong admitting that. He's still a great defender imo who just needs to find his best form. And I want him to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Rafa/Jose know best. All over the place defensively tonight keep him at DM unless it's unavoidable.Lol, honestly amazing how people can selectively pick and choose what game they want to remember just to suit their agenda. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I dont get it...A clean sheet, comfortable win and Newcastle didnt have much on us. Solid defensive play and yet you critisize Luiz.What did/didnt he do according to you? How was he worse than Cahill this game? What after this game streghten your belief that hes our 3rd choice defender?Lazy defending when he played Sissoko on for the 1vs1 against Cech and when he lost De Jong in the box and gave him a free header at the edge of the 6-yard box. A couple of other smaller mistakes as well.But....that pass to start the counter for the second goal robsblubot, Barbara and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Lazy defending when he played Sissoko on for the 1vs1 against Cech and when he lost De Jong in the box and gave him a free header at the edge of the 6-yard box. A couple of other smaller mistakes as well.But....that pass to start the counter for the second goal agreed but the 50 yard pass to Hazard was even better - Hazard did not even have to stretch his leg to pick it up.We just have to hope that he has the discernment about when to go for a more defensive stance, like he did in the CL final back then. And he needs to throw himself in front of shots more as his blocking was nowhere to be found. He can't rely exclusively on anticipation. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Eccentric Chelsea star Luiz reveals his favourite place in Britain is... Legoland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svita 10 186 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 poor defending = goal for WBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 poor defending = goal for WBABrilliant flick = Chelsea goal. Sorry, but to blame the goal entirely on Luiz is nonsensical. He should've perhaps stayed with Anichebe, but at the same time Cech should've come out and claimed it. Henrique 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think my patience for Luiz has worn too thin....He was pretty poor today, and could easily have given away a pen for shirt pulling on that useless Anichebe. Not just today though, he hasn't been great this season either.Would anyone out there really complain if we sold him in the summer? Especially if Barca make another £30M bid they were rumoured to have made last summer? We have Zouma and Kalas and I would be happy with those 2 alongside JT and Cahill for next season, maybe add Ake in there as well.I've defended Luiz all the time since he joined, but I think my heart will be happier if we have a more solid CB that doesn't worry me all the time. chillerz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 ROLL UP ROLL UP ,,time to KICK luiz again .... DYC. and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Well David Luiz ain't the best defender. But It was our fault for not killing the game. Can't put all the blame on one guy. zolayes and Henrique 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 poor defending = goal for WBAJesus Christ..Ive already been warned today, but I feel I should insult you for posting this.A wonderful cross = goal for WBA.What was poor was the choice of tactics to sit and defend a 0-1 lead against WBA.I think my patience for Luiz has worn too thin....He was pretty poor today, and could easily have given away a pen for shirt pulling on that useless Anichebe. Not just today though, he hasn't been great this season either.Would anyone out there really complain if we sold him in the summer? Especially if Barca make another £30M bid they were rumoured to have made last summer? We have Zouma and Kalas and I would be happy with those 2 alongside JT and Cahill for next season, maybe add Ake in there as well.I've defended Luiz all the time since he joined, but I think my heart will be happier if we have a more solid CB that doesn't worry me all the time.What did he do poor?He COULD have given away a penalty. Did you even see what happened? Luiz was also shirtpulled and both struggled with eachother. Ref was in a perfect position to see it and it was nothing to react on. But you chose to just to bash on him.What EXACLY did he do "pretty poor".This has just become a "hop-on-the-bandwagon-to-critizice-luiz-if-ANYTHING-goes-wrong-defensively".It feels like Luiz is the only one who is (supposed) to defend when something goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think he just ended his Chelsea career at CB, from now on the only time he is gonna be picked there is when Terry is seriously injured/we play lower division teams. Now his only position is CDM and if he starts to not do well there it will be goodbye for him. I hope he stays but I don't really think he has a long term future here and in Mou's plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think he just ended his Chelsea career at CB, from now on the only time he is gonna be picked there is when Terry is seriously injured/we play lower division teams. Now his only position is CDM and if he starts to not do well there it will be goodbye for him. I hope he stays but I don't really think he has a long term future here and in Mou's plan.He ended his Chelsea career as CB.Please tell me why you think he was so horrific this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I was wondering who would be the scapegoat. The Skipper and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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