Sidzeret 2,257 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Miley Cyrus mode yesterday- He can't stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 He was was booting the ball away in midfield, i'd understand if we was getting pushed back and there was no other options other than kick the ball out. But he was under no pressure at all. It was very strange, I've never seen someone in midfield do that before David Luiz the innovator and trend starter. What can't this man do? he must have the limitless pill stashed in his drawer at home. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Here's hoping that was his last game in midfield for us. Barbara and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Luiz performance indeed was poor and the yellow card was rather unnecesary, but everyone is saying Luiz gets himself in danger with his tackles. In over 280 professional games, Luiz has never been sent off. Never. This is quite remarkable for a CB. He knows what he is doing, even though his challenges are often poor like they were yesterday,This is absolutely shocking haha. So the guy does somehow know what he's is doing, extremely aggressive rather than reckless. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_juan 64 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Mikel fan group getting really nervous in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachman40 357 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Reading the last through pages of this thread... There's this common misconception that the English love this big, strong defender who's technically inapt but will get their body in the way, it's not true. We don't love these warrior-type defenders, they do the job, which is defending, if they have the technical ability on the ball than that a plus. Bobby Moore, Englands most famous defender, was stylish on the ball, he read the game very well and his positional sense was fantastic. He was not this big, strong, neanderthal type defender who's technically poor but will put their body on the line. David Luiz was never slated for his ability on the ball, it was his defending. When Luiz first came the the league he was tactically poor, his decision making was awful, clumsy, poor at reading the game and honestly on the verge of getting sent off every game. Reading the last few pages, some people make him out to be this total defender who had it all, i'm sorry he didn't. pachman40, in particular, making out that Chelsea changed his style for the worse, it's nonsense. He's definitely a better player now, but more importantly a better defender. Here we go with the neanderthal comparisons again, not gonna bother.As for the bolded part, I agree that he's a better defender than when he arrived, Regarding changing his style for the worse, I think that's accurate and doesn't in the least misrepresent my opinion. You obviously disagree, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Mikel fan group getting really nervous in this thread.What, so people who don't want to see Luiz at DM are Mikel fan boys? It has more to do with Matic signing. That's why people are hoping he doesn't play there anymore. KingMaka and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I think we'll see him playing there again in the UCL and maybe that's why Mourinho is using him now.We only have Lamps, Mikel and Ramires (supposing Essien does leave this window). Matic and Marco can't play and I think some matches will require Luiz to be there as we go deeper (and hopefully we will).That said I absolutely dislike him in the CM position. He's a CB end of story.Also when I said he doesn't know what to do and just roofs the ball because he thinks that's what he's expected to do, this is more a mental thing rather than a game circumstance. It made no difference if there was no pressure at him at all. He's probably simply supposed that giving the match was in the end and we were winning that was what was expected from him.Football players aren't the smartest and most resilient cookies around (although I do think Luiz is smarter than at least Brazilian players average). So sometimes they go through extremes because they're dealing with tactics, positioning, pressure, emotions and then they just don't reason as they should. I'm not calling them stupid, more like unprepared to some situations. And although I do believe Luiz isn't as much unprepared as others, I think he's really lost some of his joy and carefree-ness in the pitch. He seems worried, tense, unsure these days. I don't think we're really aware and familiar with the amount of pressure those players deal, especially being criticized openly, publicly and so often as Luiz is. I think he's still trying to figure out what people expect from him. And it's detracting the good part of his game and not exactly (or really) improving his weaknesses. The Skipper and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdog 2,084 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 BTW, did anyone catch that segment on MOTD 2 of the comparision between Phil Jones & Side Show Bob? It was about how both Moyes & Jose deployed CB's into DM positions. While Side Show Bob deployment worked, Jones fell on his face. I am guessing this tactic is a new thing in footie. I remember when Jose was @ RM, he would deploy Pepe in a DM role, but he is a defender. I still want to see more of Side Show Bob as a striker. Remember Jose used to put Huth into a striker role during his first stint @ CFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oman43 45 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 BTW, did anyone catch that segment on MOTD 2 of the comparision between Phil Jones & Side Show Bob? It was about how both Moyes & Jose deployed CB's into DM positions. While Side Show Bob deployment worked, Jones fell on his face. I am guessing this tactic is a new thing in footie. I remember when Jose was @ RM, he would deploy Pepe in a DM role, but he is a defender. I still want to see more of Side Show Bob as a striker. Remember Jose used to put Huth into a striker role during his first stint @ CFC.I didnt actually see it, I will try and find it on the internet. About the Luiz striker thing I remember this season at Newcastle away Jose sent Ivanovic up near the end to try win flick on and just be a presence in general, what with Torres going off as well. He has always been one for stuff like that. On the Sky Sports commentary Neville actually said that Jones is a CB outright, not a CDM. With Luiz he is unquestionably better in the CDM role than Jones. Its a great option for us to have, even now that Matic has arrived. didierforever and robdog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 What, so people who don't want to see Luiz at DM are Mikel fan boys? It has more to do with Matic signing. That's why people are hoping he doesn't play there anymore.You get baited too easily, my friend.. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Another player who I have no doubt will leave in summer. He isnt Mou type of player and will sit on bench most of time here. He has great transfer value and plenty of bidders...too fucking sad what Mou is doing. Kudos to his transformation of this club to play winning football, but not beautiful one. We had template to change something, on better, with likes of Mata and Luiz. To play better football. Yet, we have returned to old, 11 defenders on pitch, chasing the ball and hoofing it 50m ahead after leading 1:0.Mou is just about to fuck off all our main faces of the team, jusr to get some instant success. Mata is already out, Luiz will follow soon if he wont be a starter.That just makes me sick. laura90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Another player who I have no doubt will leave in summer. He isnt Mou type of player and will sit on bench most of time here. He has great transfer value and plenty of bidders...too fucking sad what Mou is doing. Kudos to his transformation of this club to play winning football, but not beautiful one. We had template to change something, on better, with likes of Mata and Luiz. To play better football. Yet, we have returned to old, 11 defenders on pitch, chasing the ball and hoofing it 50m ahead after leading 1:0.Mou is just about to fuck off all our main faces of the team, jusr to get some instant success. Mata is already out, Luiz will follow soon if he wont be a starter.That just makes me sick.If Mourinho didn't want Luiz here he would have left already because Barcelona themselves confessed their interest more than once.Mata's never fit his plans, the same isn't true about Luiz.Compare all interviews about Mata and Luiz's rumors and bids since last summer and you will see how different they actually are. Mourinho never once said his door was open to Luiz although he did say about Mata and Kevin de Bruyne (not with the same words, but that if he wanted to leave, he could).Dude, if you think Mourinho is stupid, sorry, the joke is on you. He makes mistakes just like the next guy (less imo, actually), what you're implying is that he's destroying this club when it's actually the opposite. There's so much crap written in your post that I won't even bother with that part. Considered leaving with Mata too?Instant success? HOW STUPID CAN THAT BE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If Mourinho didn't want Luiz here he would have left already because Barcelona themselves confessed their interest more than once.Mata's never fit his plans, the same isn't true about Luiz.Compare all interviews about Mata and Luiz's rumors and bids since last summer and you will see how different they actually are. Mourinho never once said his door was open to Luiz although he did say about Mata and Kevin de Bruyne (not with the same words, but that if he wanted to leave, he could).Dude, if you think Mourinho is stupid, sorry, the joke is on you. He makes mistakes just like the next guy (less imo, actually), what you're implying is that he's destroying this club when it's actually the opposite. There's so much crap written in your post that I won't even bother with that part. Considered leaving with Mata too?Instant success? HOW STUPID CAN THAT BE?Wont go on your level and say you wrote some crap aswell, everyone has opinion. If you like when we lead 3:0 vs United and Mou plays with 4CBs and 3DMs, when he could easily give shot to Mata (or anyone else) to completely destroy them, fine...its about you, watch whatever football you like, and follow Mou decisions like sheep. I didnt liked some performances we had, despite victory, for me trophies and wins are extra when comes to support Chelsea. First and foremost I like to watch good football, not 11 defenders on pitch hoofing the ball 50m away from goal at lead 3:0...The reason we bought Mata was because we wanted change; move on from Mourinho and start playing nice football. It take more than two years and 4 different managers to achieve that. And here we are, Mou is back and we again showed no patience with project, like we dont with our youth players. I like Mou for all he did to us, but I dont like the idea of having 11 players who can defend first and then do their actual job second. If Mou had patience and some skill to adopt certain situations (like integrating Mata in first 11 and still win games), he would do much better, but it seems he cant. Robben was completely off by Bayern last year, now he is almost best player. Rooney was almost off from United, he is now again their best player. Mata could be same too, but Mourinho is too narrow to bench him ever since start and playing him on wings for whatever reason...Oscar wasnt world class in every game either.And why the fuck should I go with Mata? Maybe you should go with Mou once he leaves since you like his tactics, media BS and mindgames soo much...Its easy to just stick with every goddamn decision made by club and say, I love this club soo much etc, but sometimes you must see the bigger picture, be critical and say it loud if you realy love club. I like Chelsea alot and the decision of Mata departure caused some upset from me on board and Mou...unlike you who agrees everything that Mou says. Severinb and laura90 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrcfc 461 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Benfica trio of Matic, Luiz and Ramires should rotate for the main pivot. Lampard, Mikel to be used when necessary.Oriol and Van Ginkel, more likely, could be in with a shout soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Earlier today I said that I expect the media to start talking crap about Luiz, since the Mata issue is done. Unfortunately, I see that we're starting it. Not the media. Barbara and sdrcfc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I have a feeling he'll be sold in the summer, good player but if Barcelona offer £30-40 million you cant really turn it down can you? Jose said in the summer he wants to complete the puzzle (our team), if we're going to spend more than £60 million, we definitely need to sell someone. We already made a profit of £20 million, if we sell Luiz for £35 million, in the summer we can get Shaw, Zouma and a striker, we'll be set for years. didierforever and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 In my mind it wouldn't be the worst thing if we sell Luiz, £30-40 million is a fucking fantastic deal. didierforever and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If Mourinho didn't want Luiz here he would have left already because Barcelona themselves confessed their interest more than once.Mata's never fit his plans, the same isn't true about Luiz.Compare all interviews about Mata and Luiz's rumors and bids since last summer and you will see how different they actually are. Mourinho never once said his door was open to Luiz although he did say about Mata and Kevin de Bruyne (not with the same words, but that if he wanted to leave, he could).Dude, if you think Mourinho is stupid, sorry, the joke is on you. He makes mistakes just like the next guy (less imo, actually), what you're implying is that he's destroying this club when it's actually the opposite. There's so much crap written in your post that I won't even bother with that part. Considered leaving with Mata too?Instant success? HOW STUPID CAN THAT BE?eh, I wouldnt be surprised if Luiz left.... Especially, if we get a mata like bid....Luiz has barely been featured as a cb this season and mourinho will probably bring in another cb for next season (maybe jt leaves too)...In addition, i think mourinho made all those comments concerning mata after united made an informal bid for him... and was released to the press.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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