Politics & Stuff

[Peppen 934]

It's Not so easy to take them " one by one ".

You need to destroy Not only Hamas people, you need to destroy Rockets, bases etc...

And when those rockets are so close to innocent people... it's a big shame that innocent people died, but really, the blame is on hamas too ( hiding them so close to people and fire them from houses and near to children etc...).

( and i'm not saying that we are clean of mistakes ).

Mate... Of course it's not easy to take them out one by one... But it is a MUCH, MUCH better option than just carpet bombing streets where you believe someone might be hiding. Like Mohammed said, you have one of the strongest intelligence services in the world, backed by US capital and experience, you should really have no excuse. Go about your business carefully, it would avoid so much pain and anger.

We totally agree that Hamas are bad people, mate. They are. They are, to use Ashley Cole's words: A bunch of twats. But you cannot, CANNOT keep using the human shield argument. Yes, some people might have been used that way, but the majority isn't. They are unlucky (feels so bad to say that) bystanders that have NOTHING to do with Hamas other than being in a close proximity to a BELIEVED Hamas hideout. How is it fair that they die? If I killed your child without reason, you would hate me and want me to die as well. That is what you are doing. You are breeding hate, mate. A vicious cycle.

[Peppen 934]

Not to mention that they have demonstrated that they can do that before. They have taken out several Hamas leaders with tactical operations. They have the state of the art technology and, as you said, one the strongest intelligence in the world. It is all about elections mate. They don't really care. Just feed their people on fear. That is why in the past days you have been getting some really weird responses when you tried to have a rational discussion. Btw, I felt your frustration and you had every right.

Well said. They are two faces of the same coin. Can't live or execute their political agenda with or without each other.

Yeah, mate, I was really frustrated, but I tried to keep it to a minimum. It just scares me, to be honest. Scares me to see such intolerance and inbred hate towards one another.

Of course I can only provide my take on the conflict, and I attempt to be rational. But the emotional part of me wants this conflict to stop now. Not tomorrow, not in a week. BUT NOW.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Mate... Of course it's not easy to take them out one by one... But it is a MUCH, MUCH better option than just carpet bombing streets where you believe someone might be hiding. Like Mohammed said, you have one of the strongest intelligence services in the world, backed by US capital and experience, you should really have no excuse. Go about your business carefully, it would avoid so much pain and anger.

We totally agree that Hamas are bad people, mate. They are. They are, to use Ashley Cole's words: A bunch of twats. But you cannot, CANNOT keep using the human shield argument. Yes, some people might have been used that way, but the majority isn't. They are unlucky (feels so bad to say that) bystanders that have NOTHING to with Hamas other than being in a close proximity to a BELIEVED Hamas hideout. How is it fair that they die? If I killed your child without reason, you would hate me and want me to die as well. That is what you are doing. You are breeding hate, mate. A vicious cycle.

Agree.

I think that now, they regret that they elected Hamas.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

One things for sure, If there had been over 3000 Israeli civilians severely injured, and over 1000 killed, the US, along with the zionist controlled corporate media would be screaming and sanctioning tactical nuclear strikes on Gaza and the annhilation of the remaining captives.

[Peppen 934]

Agree.

I think that now, they regret that they elected Hamas.

Regret? Because you bomb the shit out of them? That is a strong statement.

As I said, flexing your military muscles and launching a land offensive is by no means a solution to end all conflicts. Actually quite the opposite. Making widdows, slaughtering children - pushing the Palestians into the arms of Hamas. You are creating the Hamas soldiers of tomorrow. Don't think that is your intention, but that is what you are doing.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Please Watch:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204325012106346

2:00 - 3:00.

Thanks.

[Peppen 934]

Please Watch:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204325012106346

2:00 - 3:00.

Thanks.

Fox News? American media outlet? The same USA that provides what, $60 bn every year to fund "your" army? LOL mate.

Using that video as a source is just.... Pathetic. Sorry, but it really is.

[Peppen 934]

By the way... What the fuck? Israel just keeps on amazing me.. They keep finding ways of making Hamas an attractive "option" for Palestinians... Couldn't have a worse strategy - even if they fucking tried to.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Fox News? American media outlet? The same USA that provides what, $60 bn every year to fund "your" army? LOL mate.

Using that video as a source is just.... Pathetic. Sorry, but it really is.

Same channel that wants to send more American troops to Iraq and start a war in Iran too. LOL.

[Peppen 934]

Same channel that wants to send more American troops to Iraq and start a war in Iran too. LOL.

It seems like most Israelis are so desperate for an international source that they resort to crap news stations such as Fox. There are no facts, statistics or official reports in the video either, so I can't really see how it is even considered to be worth adding to the discussion.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

It seems like most Israelis are so desperate for an international source that they resort to crap news stations such as Fox. There are no facts, statistics or official reports in the video either, so I can't really see how it is even considered to be worth adding to the discussion.

Next they will use Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity as the voice of "TRUTH". I seriously don't know whether to laugh or cry mate.

[Peppen 934]

Next they will use Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity as the voice of "TRUTH". I seriously don't know whether to laugh or cry mate.

That wouldn't surprise me at all, LOL. Let's just pray that the conflict will end as soon as possible, and that casualities on both sides are limited. I fear for the Palestinians... May your God be with you..

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Fox News? American media outlet? The same USA that provides what, $60 bn every year to fund "your" army? LOL mate.

Using that video as a source is just.... Pathetic. Sorry, but it really is.

Same channel that wants to send more American troops to Iraq and start a war in Iran too. LOL.

Human shields are Hamas’s PR

It’s hard to figure out why Hamas would launch a missile attack against Israel. They can’t possibly win. Their missiles are useless, and seldom hit anything before the Israelis blow them up. If they wanted to, they could crush Hamas like a bug.

What Hamas does get is good PR. The visuals are golden: fleeing civilians, injured kids, apartment buildings bombed to rubble. So are the lopsided statistics – hundreds of Palestinians dead but zero Israelis. European press coverage has been overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Palestinians. In the Guardian, one commentator called the conflict “as perverse as Mike Tyson punching a toddler.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/human-shields-are-hamass-pr/article19602451/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LafyKmsayU

0:20.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

^^

Regarding FOX, do you really want to quote a station that has been proven to broadcast more than 60% factually incorrect information.

Really interested in the discussion going on its really informative and insightful to see both sides views.

We always hear about Israel getting attacked by Hamas and there was a ridiculous figure I read of the amount of rockets fired in the thousands in a short period, but how many of these actually make it past Israels iron dome? Is there any figures?

The rockets don't carry an explosive head and they are locally made so their accuracy is non-existent (for example, the other day a Palestinian group tried laughing a rocket on the north of Israel from Lebanon and it ended up landing on the south of Lebanon). The vast majority of the rockets end just hit forests or end up in the sea. Very very rarely do they actually civilian houses. And the damage is basically this:

These last two weeks Hamas has launched over 1500 rockets killing 1 civilian and injuring less than 30. The rockets' aim is just to disrupt the normal life of the Israeli citizens. It's the only way for the Palestinians to resist now.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Human shields are Hamas’s PR

It’s hard to figure out why Hamas would launch a missile attack against Israel. They can’t possibly win. Their missiles are useless, and seldom hit anything before the Israelis blow them up. If they wanted to, they could crush Hamas like a bug.

What Hamas does get is good PR. The visuals are golden: fleeing civilians, injured kids, apartment buildings bombed to rubble. So are the lopsided statistics – hundreds of Palestinians dead but zero Israelis. European press coverage has been overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Palestinians. In the Guardian, one commentator called the conflict “as perverse as Mike Tyson punching a toddler.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/human-shields-are-hamass-pr/article19602451/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LafyKmsayU

0:20.

I am going to tell you this because I think you are a decent guy, though I really disagree with you on some matters. DON'T listen to whatever is being fed to you. Think for your own. There are clearly two problems with the video you posted.

1) Those are mortars not rockets.

2) THIS IS SYRIA NOT PALESTINE. If you know the least Arabic you will be able to tell. This is also at the beginning of their conflict before Alqaeda and ISIS jumped in.

Watch what you post mate.

[Peppen 934]

Human shields are Hamas’s PR

It’s hard to figure out why Hamas would launch a missile attack against Israel. They can’t possibly win. Their missiles are useless, and seldom hit anything before the Israelis blow them up. If they wanted to, they could crush Hamas like a bug.

What Hamas does get is good PR. The visuals are golden: fleeing civilians, injured kids, apartment buildings bombed to rubble. So are the lopsided statistics – hundreds of Palestinians dead but zero Israelis. European press coverage has been overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Palestinians. In the Guardian, one commentator called the conflict “as perverse as Mike Tyson punching a toddler.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/human-shields-are-hamass-pr/article19602451/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LafyKmsayU

0:20.

You are so wrong, mate. The dead Palestinian creates no good PR for Hamas, in fact the opposite. What it does is generate sympathy for the the Palestinians, but I think they would be VERY HAPPY to give up that sympathy to get their children back. I've not seen a SINGLE Danish, nor English source defending Hamas' actions. They have, however, defended the innoncent Palestinians. There is a huge difference, and you should fucking know that.

Still need to see that impartial, international and empirical source on the supposedly 'vast majority' of human shields. Try again.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

You are so wrong, mate. The dead Palestinian creates no good PR for Hamas, in fact the opposite. What it does is generate sympathy for the the Palestinians, but I think they would be VERY HAPPY to give up that sympathy to get their children back. I've not seen a SINGLE Danish, nor English source defending Hamas' actions. They have, however, defended the innoncent Palestinians. There is a huge difference, and you should fucking know that.

Still need to see that impartial, international and empirical source on the supposedly 'vast majority' of human shields. Try again.

Enough.

[Peppen 934]

Enough.

IsraelFullTruth, IDF supporter and IDF?

"Still need to see that impartial, international and empirical source on the supposedly 'vast majority' of human shields. Try again."

impartial:

not partial or biased; fair; just: an impartial judge.

international:

transcending national boundaries or viewpoints.

empirical:

derived from or guided by experience or experiment.

No, it is not enough, mate. Nowhere near enough.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

IsraelFullTruth, IDF supporter and IDF?

"Still need to see that impartial, international and empirical source on the supposedly 'vast majority' of human shields. Try again."

impartial:

not partial or biased; fair; just: an impartial judge.

international:

transcending national boundaries or viewpoints.

empirical:

derived from or guided by experience or experiment.

No, it is not enough, mate. Nowhere near enough.

WTF?! So you use the same excuse every time? because of the source? u don't have your own eyes to see the video?! You can clearly see. Nothing more.

To ignore that you need to be or blind or just a person that don't want to accept it.

Hamas Spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri: Human-Shield Policy Is Effecive!

[The Skipper 20,609]

Hamas uses crap for rockets. As far as accuracy, damage and damage radius are concerned, these rockets are not the type that you can use in a proper army. The iron dome is an anti rocket rocket defense system that " officially" can intercept rockets from a distance of 70km according to wikipedia. It also says that the range can be maximized to intercept rockets from a distance of 250km. As far as true stats are concerned, I doubt you would find true or accurate stats. On a personal opinion, I doubt the number "thousands" or anything close ti that figure is true. Simply because Hamas is a militia not an army, and fatalities on the Israeli side would have definitely been more than 1 civilian.

Having said that, Hamas are true terrorists. They know their rockets are not going to do much damage. They know that the Israelis will definitely retaliate with overwhelming power and stupidity. They are well aware that there will be many civilian casualties. They assume the more civilian casualties, the more support they will get from the international community. They are playing a sick game, and Israel is helping them by retaliating with such irrational power. They are desperate to redeem themselves. Israel is just helping them do that, unintentionally. The increase in IDF casualties portray them as heros, not to mention the capture of a soldier during combat which is a first for Hamas. It is a fucked up situation from both sides and the only victims are the civilians.

My exact thoughts. Hamas are a disgusting organisation. IDF are bad but Hamas are truly, truly awful and IMO are the main reason why all of this is happening.