Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

זה בגלל שאתה לא יודע את כל העובדות... להצביע לבנט זה בושה. אתה בטח גם חושב שההתנחליות זה לגטימי

Can we plz keep it in english. Its getting too frequent imo.

[Spike 12,049]

@haranr, @CFC_4EVER, @xPetrCechx,

Hey guys can you please not use Hebrew on the forum? No one else can join in on the coversation.

If you want to discuss whatever in Hebrew you should make a PM.

[Dion 2,476]

Okay. First I would like you to show me the full meaning of the world 'massacre'. Secondly. Most Israelis right wing extremist do not do terror on the other hand most Palestines right wing extremist do terror. Now, this is mainy because of the different situation but that is still the difference. Also, Islamic extremist are 'crazy'.. unlike a lot of Israelis right wing extremist who have some sense sometimes. "you're only creating more extremists on both sides and widening the gap with all the killing. " I absolutely agree.. but the killing in Gaza now is something that happens due to things that must happen. Israel can't let Hamas terrorize... Civilans unfourtnaly are getting killed because of that. You need to understand that Israel does not want to kill civilians but if a target needs to be destroyed..(Israel also warn before bombing) no civilian will stand in the way of that.

Who is terrorist and who isn't depends only on who is telling the story. Same concept as "barbarians" throughout history.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

You protest against what exactly??? If you really think Israel should just keep quiet .. you are an absolute fool and you are embarrassing yourself. If I were you I would have protested against the settlements and Benjamin Netnayaho.

Against what exactly? And you're calling me the fool. Sorry, I'm not going to dignify your 'reply' with a response any further tbh.

[Spike 12,049]

Who is terrorist and who isn't depends only on who is telling the story. Same concept as "barbarians" throughout history.

Like fuck.

terrorism

1. the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Bam.

barbarian

1.

(in ancient times) a member of a community or tribe not belonging to one of the great civilizations (Greek, Roman, Christian).

[Stingray 9,441]

אני ימני, הצבעתי לבנט ואני לא מצטער על כך. לא ימני קיצוני אבל בהחלט ימני ותמיד אהיה.

Now i understand where you come from. Yisraelim much? http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-new-secular-face-of-religious-zionism/

Or to quote Bennett, who you voted for: "I will do everything in my power to make sure they [palestinians] never get a state." Or what about the quote from mr. schrapnel in the butt: “I already killed lots of Arabs in my life, and there is absolutely no problem with that.”

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Bennett-under-fire-for-comments-about-killing-Arabs-321467

Thanks for disclosing.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Against what exactly? And your calling me the fool. Sorry, I'm not going to dignify your 'reply' with a response any further tbh.

They attack us, we attack them. That's all.

They will stop > we will stop.

[Dion 2,476]

Like fuck.

terrorism

1. the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Bam.

barbarian

1.

(in ancient times) a member of a community or tribe not belonging to one of the great civilizations (Greek, Roman, Christian).

In the sense that for those "barbarian tribes", the barbarians were actually the great civilizations. Just like Hamas are the terrorists because we're seeing it through the eyes of the media controlled by US and other sympathizers to the zionist cause. In reality the US and Israel have caused a lot more terror than the so called terrorists. I find the term terrorists utterly stupid, but it is kind of a smart move with the sole goal of villanizing your enemy and consequently bringing sympathy for your cause, making you become the righteous one. That's an american favourite. They've done it several times.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

They attack us, we attack them. That's all.

They will stop > we will stop.

Yeah if only it was that simple.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Like fuck.

terrorism

1. the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Bam.

barbarian

1.

(in ancient times) a member of a community or tribe not belonging to one of the great civilizations (Greek, Roman, Christian).

Just a question, those definitions are yours?

[Stingray 9,441]

Bennet spoke about hamas terrorists not about the Arabs in general.

I'm not racisit i have arabs freinds here but I hate Hamas because they are a terrorist organisation and yes i want all those terrorist dead! when the IDF stop them after killing Israelis they are watching TV in jail and have the option to pursue higher education at the expense of the Israelis tax money instead of receiving the death penalty. There is a Hebrew sentence saying " Be first to Kill those who want to kill you." previously i voted for Netanyahu but he's good in talking and very bad on doing what he says not only with this conflict (Yes we have more conflicts in our country). We are living in a democratic country i have the right to vote whoever i want that's my choice and I'm glad i did it that's all.

In that me and you, and luckily you and the rest of the world differ. Preemptively killing your opponent is never a road to peace. Also, even prisoners of war have rights. Remember the Shoah to not fall into the same pit.

Rabbi Israel Lipschütz of Danzig : "Do good to all men, evil to none; do good even to the non-Jew in the street, even to an enemy who has pursued you with relentless hate. If you have an opportunity for revenge, do not avail yourselves of it. If your foe is seeking your hurt you may prevent him, but you must not injure him beyond the point of making him powerless to harm you.

Think about it.

[Stingray 9,441]

There is nothing to think of mate. You can't make peace with those who want you dead those who don't recognizance the right of the only Jewish country in the world to be exist. You can't make peace with terror organisation. As you know we have peace with some of our neighbors for many years! FACT - we gave up for all of the Sinai area who is much bigger than israel for peace with Egypt, we are living with peace with Jordan too and there is more examples of stories like that in history. but, unfortunately it's impossible to make peace with Hamas. Again I don't have problem with Arabs i have problem with terror! and Hamas is a terror organisation it's a FACT!

I am sorry if I have upset you. But the situation is more than just the 'now' - it has history beyond measure and it is about much more than Hamas. To say the problem is just about retaliation issues relatedto Hamad, is not fact at all.

I do appreciate the fact that we are talking about this, really. Dont get me wrong.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

The word 'terrorist' is used by so many oppressive regimes to justify state murder.

The South African state called Nelson Mandela and the fighters against apartheid 'terrorists' for decades. The SS called the freedom fighters in the Warsaw ghetto 'terrorists'. the British called ghandi a 'terrorist'.

One mans "terrorist" is another mans Freedom Fighter.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

There is nothing to think of mate. You can't make peace with those who want you dead those who don't recognizance the right of the only Jewish country in the world to be exist. You can't make peace with terror organisation. As you know we have peace with some of our neighbors for many years! FACT - we gave up for the all Sinai area who is much bigger than israel for peace with Egypt, we are living with peace with Jordan too and there is more examples of stories like that in history. but, unfortunately it's impossible to make peace with Hamas. Again I don't have problem with Arabs i have problem with terror! and Hamas is a terror organisation it's a FACT!

Sinai was never yours mate. You had to leave after the Bar Lev defense line that was claimed to be the strongest ever was destroyed and fell in our hands. Not to mention that the losses Israel endured were more than the 1948, 1956 and 1967 combined. Egypt did that with weapons from ww2 technology and after we lost 80% of our air power. So not going for peace was going to cause more trouble.

If Israel doesn't take proper peace approaches, this will happen over and over again with Hamas. That will keep bringing your debts higher and economy worse forcing Israelis to go somewhere else. The aid from other countries will not last for long. I don't like Hamas what so ever. I think they are extremist as much as the Isrealis who are pro war are. But you have Fateh. You could have achieved peace through them years ago. Hence forcing Hamas to back down and eventually dissolve. But that ain't the approach. You keep crushing them and oppressing them economically and militarily, forcing more to sympathize with them and join. You think this way you will be secure and the Palestinians will become like the native Americans. Time has proved that this will not happen. You tried wars with Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine. The only peace you achieved was with Egypt and that came due to very high costs you had to pay. As an Israeli, how many people would you like to sacrifice to get security that cannot be achieved by violence? You will keep losing lives and you will not achieve security as long as your approach is through violence. You could achieve that security and recognition through REAL talks. You don't really have to go through all this bloodshed.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

You missed the main part, After a war we won the Sinai area we bring that part to you for peace. We can accept high coast for peace, In 2003 our army forced he's own people out from places that Hamas is shooting on us right now you forgot that don't you?

Again the Peace talks with Hamas will be useless it's like talking to a wall they want us dead and they want all our country and they won't compromise we can't have serious talks with Them end of story! They will have to learn that we will heat them back every time we will defend our self's and if needed soldiers will be in Gaza soon, our army will use all the power that necessary to bring the quiet on our city's. I hope this time we will heat them hard enough to stop the fire for much longer time. I wished i could talk with you more guys but i'm starting to be tired from all those talks. I will say one simple and important sentence - When Israel will be quiet Gaza will be quiet too.

You invaded Egypt in 1967 and OCCUPIED Sinai. You took part of it back in 1973. We were forced into peace talks as Golda Meir was scared that we will get to Tel Aviv. The U.S. came to your aid to stop us from progressing. Cease fire was called and you were FORCED to give back the rest of Sinai, to avoid anymore of the Egyptian wrath. We allowed you to retreat on a scheduled time line.

Never did I say you should talk with Hamas. I percisely said Fateh. But instead you made Fateh look useless and that gave Hamas more credibility. People started saying the talks are always not working since that the Isreali governments keep putting harsh terms. So they say "fine they are not interested, they are stalling and showing the world that they are talking but the truth is they are just doing nothing". Isreal created Hamas indirectly through the oppression of the Palestinians. You want them to go away, then all you have to do is show them that violence will not help them achieve anything for the Palestinians. You show them that by talking with Fateh and ACHIEVING something for a change. That will make the case of Hamas weaker. But to think that through such violence you will stop them, that is an illusion. You make their beliefs stronger and allow them to seek more violence. Sooner or later they will do MUCH more damage than you can imagine if you keep thinking this way. But I guess you don't really care since that you are ready to sacrifice as much lives as you can to achieve an unachievable peace through violence.