bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 YOU KNOW WHAT I AM READY. YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU know about Israel, what is going on in this country.I told you to take two hours, please read it, then we may continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I told you to take two hours, please read it, then we may continue.I have read it a long time ago... I know much more than you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I told you to take two hours, please read it, then we may continue.You need to understand that I know Israel has a big part on why this conflict started but what YOU need to understand is that the Palestinians (most of them) have a bigger part on why the conflict started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 @bushman, stop stiring up Hanrar. It's obvious it's a sensitive issue for him, so stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 You need to understand that I know Israel has a big part on why this conflict started but what YOU need to understand is that the Palestinians (most of them) have a bigger part on why the conflict started.http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/why-are-american-jewish-groups-so-intent-defending-illegal-israeli-settlements-and-other-humTwo more hours of education, just for you, take your time & I will see you around 1 p.m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 @bushman, stop stiring up Hanrar. It's obvious it's a sensitive issue for him, so stop.Wake up. First see him starting it, then see his accusations & insults ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 @bushman, stop stiring up Hanrar. It's obvious it's a sensitive issue for him, so stophttp://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/why-are-american-jewish-groups-so-intent-defending-illegal-israeli-settlements-and-other-humTwo more hours of education, just for you, take your time & I will see you around 1 p.m.Come to Israel. I will take to some interesting lectures. The Palestinians has a big role in developing this conflict to what it is today. We could have lived together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 @bushman, stop stiring up Hanrar. It's obvious it's a sensitive issue for him, so stophttp://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/why-are-american-jewish-groups-so-intent-defending-illegal-israeli-settlements-and-other-humTwo more hours of education, just for you, take your time & I will see you around 1 p.m.Come to Israel. I will take to some interesting lectures. The Palestinians has a big role in developing this conflict to what it is today. We could have lived together. Lies & more lies ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 @bushman, stop stiring up Hanrar. It's obvious it's a sensitive issue for him, so stop.Sensitive issue??? I hate anti-semitics. It's not an issue. It's obvious I will hate a fucking racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Wake up. First see him starting it, then see his accusations & insults !Sensitive issue??? I hate anti-semitics. It's not an issue. It's obvious I will hate a fucking racist.Therein lies my point. haranr is upset and you are exasperating the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Sensitive issue??? I hate anti-semitics. It's not an issue. It's obvious I will hate a fucking racist.http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/jalal-abukhater/watch-espn-documentary-exposes-israels-racist-football-clubspeaking about racist behavior, see above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Therein lies my point. haranr is upset and you are exasperating the situation.Should I not be upset if this lowlife calls me racist & a cunt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Should I not be upset if this lowlife calls me racist & a cunt ?You should but he has every right to be upset by what you are saying also. It goes both ways. I suggest this all ends now otherwise warnings may have to be handed out. I'm being lenient so take advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 You should but he has every right to be upset by what you are saying also. It goes both ways. I suggest this all ends now otherwise warnings may have to be handed out. I'm being lenient so take advantage.Ok I accept your wish. Please just follow this thread & see who started it. I am not interested in replying to him, as I pointed it.If insults are accepted here, then you are not doing your job, I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Ok I accept your wish. Please just follow this thread & see who started it. I am not interested in replying to him, as I pointed it.If insults are accepted here, then you are not doing your job, I feel.Well it's either that or I give harnar a warning for abusive behaviour and you a warning for racism. You have offended him and he has offended you. Your call, warning or leniency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Well it's either that or I give harnar a warning for abusive behaviour and you a warning for racism. You have offended him and he has offended you. Your call, warning or leniency.Where do you see racism in my postings ? Does the truth hurts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Where do you see racism in my postings ? Does the truth hurts ?Likve you ever have been to any of the places and you know the truth lol. and also at a conflict of more than 60 years, there cant be no "truth". both sides made errors and faults and both are at fault for the situation they are in. blaming one side is just plain dumb or anti-zionist/anti-muslim call it whatever you want. there are always 2 sides to a story. why dont you bring up the tons and tons of rocket attacks towards israel? or the bombs towards israel? because the truth hurts you, to see, that both are at fault? why dont you bring up Hamas, a group who was voted in a democratic way? and so on and so on. but its modern nowadays to scream fuck israel and fuck zionist. as it is modern nowadays to say 9/11 was an inside job and so on. conspirac theories are the Zeitgeist of our time at the moment and people made a hell of money with it. and anti-zionism is the modern way to hide (often, not always) anti-semitism. Israel is in a special situation, all neighbors are their enemies and they are 24/7 in fear of attacks. but most people cant understand it, because they are not involved in this situation, beside sitting at their pc or TV and watchiing it and making up their mind afte rwatching 1 conspiracy film or reading one article. haranr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Obviously you two can't discuss this calmly and respectfully, so please just leave the discussion where it is and agree to disagree. I appreciate that you each have your own take on the matter, but this is a football forum after all and there is no need to fight over politics. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Likve you ever have been to any of the places and you know the truth lol. and also at a conflict of more than 60 years, there cant be no "truth". both sides made errors and faults and both are at fault for the situation they are in. blaming one side is just plain dumb or anti-zionist/anti-muslim call it whatever you want. there are always 2 sides to a story. why dont you bring up the tons and tons of rocket attacks towards israel? or the bombs towards israel? because the truth hurts you, to see, that both are at fault? why dont you bring up Hamas, a group who was voted in a democratic way? and so on and so on. but its modern nowadays to scream fuck israel and fuck zionist. as it is modern nowadays to say 9/11 was an inside job and so on. conspirac theories are the Zeitgeist of our time at the moment and people made a hell of money with itOf course both made mistakes, but you can't say that both are at fault because you would be confusing the cause with the reaction and equating the victim with the oppressor. You can't look at the situation with the eyes of today and ignore the reasons that lead to things being how they are. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Of course both made mistakes, but you can't say that both are at fault because you would be confusing the cause with the reaction and equating the victim with the oppressor. You can't look at the situation with the eyes of today and ignore the reasons that lead to things being how they are. well, they had the opportunity at first, to get a lot of land. they refused it, started wars, lost the wars and lost more territory. you can also ask the question, if a nation, who lost 6 million people (would equate like 10% of Englands population) hasnt got the right to get an own contry, on the old place where they have been living 1000 of years ago and got driven out of it. Israel aint it fault that they are defending themselves and won the wars against all the coutnries they had one. and they also arent at fault that Hitler tried to kill all of them, arent they? I think that if your nation would be in this sort of situation, you also would have watned a country, where you can reunite with your fellow man and so on, dont you? especially when a lot of refugees, who tries to go other countries after the WW 2 were just send away like animals. haranr and yuvala 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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