Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

True. Theres a psychological phenomnum where enough is never enough in peoples brains.  People like you and me would pay a builder /plumber cash to get a cheaper deal, which to me is bit different to hiding vast wealth. Why does Abramovich need six super yachts ?

Let’s imagine a rich person living in the UK has money in a secret bank account in the Bahamas. The money in the Bahamas account is used to buy shares in a mutual investment fund based in the British Virgin Islands. And let’s imagine this fund invests in European company shares. The shares rise in value and the dividends are paid into the Bahamas bank account. The mutual fund shares are picked up by local statisticians as financial liabilities for a company registered in the British Virgin Islands. But the assets are not owned by a British Virgin Islands resident, so they are ignored. These shares ought, logically, to be recorded as an asset for the UK household sector since they are owned by a rich person in Britain. But UK statisticians have no way of picking up the asset’s existence. And the British Virgin Islands and the Bahamas don’t, of course, inform our own tax authorities or the Office for National Statistics (ONS). No wonder Cameron would be more comfortable talking about fucking a dead pigs head [emoji4]

What is wrong though is when, as you say, the govt, would only waste it. It is the same people in govt who are on the Panamanian list ! People voted in to represent us stealing billions that should be spent on public services. as for fairness -yes it is an abstract concept, but its not totally unfathomable. 663 million peole without clean water in the world sheds some clarity on how the concept could initially be examined.

Yup, social comparison theory. People cannot stop comparing upwards. So - you never have enough, because you only compare yourself to those that have more. If you get so rich, the only way to compete with the few richer is to fraud. [emoji849]

[kiwi1691 255]

Taxation is morally wrong, it is theft. There is nothing wrong with trying to protect yourself from being robbed. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

The Panama money compared to a national budget is enough to buy a tri-li-li whistle for Halloween.
People are made to eat raw corn by the journalists.
Nobody writes about the poor guy who was arrested in Crete for selling lenten Monday kites without VAT !
Or the old woman who was selling candles outside a church and was taken to prison and she was a cancer patient as well.
Those two and others were the victims of the neo-marxist "clean up Rome" campaign of mr Tsipras's Greek government.
So what utter bsht.
What I know is when Panama etc was a tax haven and nobody cared about it, the little poor men were not being chased by squad cars in the streets !

As things stand it is not that they don't want to pay VAT.
But for the registrations etc, it costs 5-10 thousand euro a year.
Then how is one going to make up this sum from a few kites he sells sell to the kids during the bank holiday ?

This is what the left has in store for everybody and you think they are after Messi-Ronaldo-Cameron (they will do this another day ...).

Myself I had to go to two banks to sign declarations to the effect that I 'm allowing the state authorities to peruse into all my belongings. I had to do this, so the signature was a formality. In fact they said sign so the bank can continue offering services to you.
That was in 2012.
I said to the clerk "obviously they are after those big black boxes with hidden treasures we hear of, are n't they ?".
To this he said "no my dear sir, they are after even the smallest sum of money - the manner in which it reached your account is the criterion".
Those are the new junta laws.
But while the governments of 2012-13-14 did indeed make use of those new draconian laws only to catch the big time offenders, the marxists now in power have turned themselves loose against even the legless street beggars.

Social justice left wing style.
Good morning big brother.





 

 

 

 

[Stingray 9,441]

The Panama money compared to a national budget is enough to buy a tri-li-li whistle for Halloween.

People are made to eat raw corn by the journalists.

Nobody writes about the poor guy who was arrested in Crete for selling lenten Monday kites without VAT !

Or the old woman who was selling candles outside a church and was taken to prison and she was a cancer patient as well.

Those two and others were the victims of the neo-marxist "clean up Rome" campaign of mr Tsipras's Greek government.

So what utter bsht.

What I know is when Panama etc was a tax haven and nobody cared about it, the little poor men were not being chased by squad cars in the streets !

As things stand it is not that they don't want to pay VAT.

But for the registrations etc, it costs 5-10 thousand euro a year.

Then how is one going to make up this sum from a few kites he sells sell to the kids during the bank holiday ?

This is what the left has in store for everybody and you think they are after Messi-Ronaldo-Cameron (they will do this another day ...).

Myself I had to go to two banks to sign declarations to the effect that I 'm allowing the state authorities to peruse into all my belongings. I had to do this, so the signature was a formality. In fact they said sign so the bank can continue offering services to you.

That was in 2012.

I said to the clerk "obviously they are after those big black boxes with hidden treasures we hear of, are n't they ?".

To this he said "no my dear sir, they are after even the smallest sum of money - the manner in which it reached your account is the criterion".

Those are the new junta laws.

But while the governments of 2012-13-14 did indeed make use of those new draconian laws only to catch the big time offenders, the marxists now in power have turned themselves loose against even the legless street beggars.

Social justice left wing style.

Good morning big brother.

 

 

 

 

Wut? Are you McCarthy? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Spike 12,049]

18 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Taxation is morally wrong, it is theft. There is nothing wrong with trying to protect yourself from being robbed. 

 

In Australia (I imagine NZ is very similar) taxes pay for medicare, pension, welfare, infrastructure support (roads, bridges) student loans, disability support, residential aged care, university funding, policing, superannuation, public education, and a host of other things. If someone that earns $50,000,000 p/a is taxed at %50 do you really believe you are lowering their quality of life? I don't believe so and with that money (in a government free of corruption) it would actually enhance the lives of many more people. Do you honestly believe you could afford medical expenses without government help? I have to constantly deal with private health insurance companies and I can honestly tell you it isn't easy trying to navigate their web of self-fufilling loopholes designed to give out as little money as possible. My partner is diabetic and since the taxes are lower in America she has to be hundreds and hundreds of dollars p/month just to stay alive, much more than in a country like Australia. I'd rather be robbed by the government and have the money re-purposed into health care and public education as opposed to lining a insurance company's coffers.

 

You can stop paying taxes if you like, just don't drive on the roads, don't use government facilities, don't call the police, don't use government hospitals, don't use public, higher and in some cases private education, don't use public parks, don't use public transport, etc.

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

On 7/4/2016 at 9:05 PM, Stingray said:

Wut? Are you McCarthy?

good guy

[cosmicway 1,333]

23 hours ago, Spike said:

 

In Australia (I imagine NZ is very similar) taxes pay for medicare, pension, welfare, infrastructure support (roads, bridges) student loans, disability support, residential aged care, university funding, policing, superannuation, public education, and a host of other things. If someone that earns $50,000,000 p/a is taxed at %50 do you really believe you are lowering their quality of life? I don't believe so and with that money (in a government free of corruption) it would actually enhance the lives of many more people. Do you honestly believe you could afford medical expenses without government help? I have to constantly deal with private health insurance companies and I can honestly tell you it isn't easy trying to navigate their web of self-fufilling loopholes designed to give out as little money as possible. My partner is diabetic and since the taxes are lower in America she has to be hundreds and hundreds of dollars p/month just to stay alive, much more than in a country like Australia. I'd rather be robbed by the government and have the money re-purposed into health care and public education as opposed to lining a insurance company's coffers.

 

You can stop paying taxes if you like, just don't drive on the roads, don't use government facilities, don't call the police, don't use government hospitals, don't use public, higher and in some cases private education, don't use public parks, don't use public transport, etc.

 

 

Yeah but what you say is "we have pepper - we put on the lettuces".
Nobody said there should n't be taxes or even big taxes when it is necessary.
The economic problems facing the modern world are those related to totalitarian practices:

- communism
- fascist racist policies
- fascist streamlining policies
- monopolism

So you see mass exodus of people from the poor countries.
They 'd be always inclined to live in the prosperous western countries, but not mass exodus.

 

 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

[cosmicway 1,333]

17 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Toryism is bad.
But if you look at it carefullly it's always the follow up catastrophe after the first catastrophe that can happen in anyone's country.
The first catastrophe is socialism.
 

[cosmicway 1,333]

I don't see why I should n't have my money in Arizona - Solomon Islands - Kuala Lumpur.
The socialist government spend them in Swiss holidays.
Re.politicians our ms Valavanis, finance minister, withdrew her 250,000 euros one hour before the announcement of Greek capital controls last July, making use of the advance information available to her. Later she said "she did it for her mother" ... Still later she resigned from the left wing government party and joined another smaller left wing party who advocate return to the drachma (= stricter capital controls, conversion of all bank accounts to "new drachma" accounts !).
The regime's state tv comedian mr. Lazopoulos who slanders and vilifies all who disagree with the left, exported 3 mil euros. He said it's for his performances abroad (?). We are still waiting from Albert Hall-Carnegee Hall to confirm they have indeed charged him with that amount.

 

 

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

RIP Howard Marks, Mr Nice. The book is a very good read.

Avoided a heavy drug smuggling sentence by persuading the judge he was an undercover Secret Service member, and thus unable to discuss it

[lucio 5,418]

Sir Alan said: "Shouldn't the Prime Minister's critics really just snap out of the synthetic indignation and admit that their real point is that they hate anyone who has got a hint of wealth in them?

"May I support the Prime Minister in fending off those who are attacking him, particularly in thinking of this place, because if he doesn't, we risk seeing a House of Commons which is stuffed full of low-achievers who hate enterprise, hate people who look after their own family and know absolutely nothing about the outside world."

 

Tories saying others know nothing about the outside world. good joke there. where is guy fawkes when you need him?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I fucking love Frankie Boyle  

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I should perhaps come clean and tell you that the worst holiday I’ve ever had was in the British Virgin Islands. There is so much money sloshing around that I saw seabirds stranded on the shores, collected by volunteers and taken to wildlife shelters, where skilled vets carefully removed the wads of cash clogging up their feathers. I saw a heron have enough roubles pulled from its wings to buy a decent family hatchback. I remember a pelican, its bill pouch stuffed to bursting, crumpled euros and untraceable yen spilling from its mouth like a stripper’s thong. In a restaurant, for dessert I was served a battered suitcase brimming over with 200m euros’ worth of bearer shares. When I told the waiter that I’d ordered the creme brûlée, he gave a dry chuckle and said that he must have misheard. He let me keep the suitcase saying that there was plenty more where that came from.

At night, we gathered on a starlit veranda to watch the arrival of the cash. It’s one of nature’s most epic sights. First we heard the grunting, faint at first but then louder, until by just the accents alone we could almost tell the Russian from the Australian from the French. The sea began to foam, the frenzied activity just offshore. And then they landed. Huge creatures, some as massive as an alpha walrus. Fat, and breathing heavily, they heaved themselves on to the shore. Hundreds, if not thousands. Lawyers, drug lords, politicians, prime ministers, mafia members, businessmen, peers of the realm, sex offenders and a cellist. Their bodies warm and fleshy. It had been a good summer.

This mass of quivering corporate meat quickly made its way towards the dunes. Dragging themselves forward. Thinking only of themselves. Smaller, weaker animals were crushed, suffocated. Then in a hysterical free-for-all using hands, feet, snouts, they dig. Each of these secretive creatures digs its own filthy hole. And then lumbering into position, lower their “vent” into the crater. It’s then that they began laying. Firing into the golden sand wads of unmarked bills, fake invoices, untraceable companies, gold bullion. It takes but a moment, the animals moving quickly so as not to be exposed on the shore for any longer than necessary. Then, with feverish activity from their hindquarters, the hole is backfilled. Without so much as a fingerprint left in the sand they shuffle, belly-first back towards the sea.

They raise their heads to the moon and roar. It is a primeval sound, and one by one they all join in. Soon the waves crashing on to the beach are drowned out by the beasts. There is a final sight of them before they are drawn back into the black tide, anonymous, and free. This is something that will happen forever, which scientists now estimate might be as little as 30 or 40 years.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/frankie-boyle-tax-havens-panama-papers 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Lots of good Frankie Boyle jokes but this is my favourite.

3 Million for the funeral of Margaret Thatcher? For 3 Million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person. 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

7 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Lots of good Frankie Boyle jokes but this is my favourite.

3 Million for the funeral of Margaret Thatcher? For 3 Million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person. 

 

MT is the inventor of cone ice cream.