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[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

15 minutes ago, Spike said:

I live in Atlanta (second blackest city in America), I've literally never encountered a black person that feared for their lives or the lives of their family because of the police. I've had many black people tell me they've been profiled by the police, or been pulled over by the police because they were black, but never an actual issue with police. Not saying it doesn't happen.

That image is total nonsense and perpetuates the myth of the scary white police officer killing blacks for no reason. Yes people do get killed but not because they are black it is because police are fucking insane in this country. A few weeks of training, no mental illness checks, no trigger discipline and a concept of 'my safety over others' so they pull the trigger almost always over other option. To top it off most of these shooting happen in shitty areas with high crime and gangs, making the police even more trigger happy and on edge. I don't sympathise with the police because it's their job to be out in the danger zones but most of them don't give a shit about what colour someone is and just want to get home safe at the end of the day, because that is unfortunately what they are taught to do.

Police shoot everyone and unfortunately they shoot black men at a higher rate because of the reality that black men kill each-other at a higher rate. I'd like to see how any of us would handle working the beat in a shit hole like Inglelood or Lyons in Chicago. I'd be sweating bullets all day because I know for a fact around any corner could be a crime scene. I'll tell you a black guy in East St Louis will have a higher chance of death than a black guy in Beverly Hills, it isn't just race, it's location.

We're neighbors, and I've met plenty of African Americans who have feared for their lives in this city. You are right the police are insane, and the narrative that black people are criminal prone plays a big role in the interactions. My mom used to work near the Dome(Vine City) and the black crime was an issue, and cops would come near the part of town in a different mindset than they would elsewhere, and it would cause EVERYBODY to fear for their lives.

 

Cops are on edge when they come to black areas, so its only natural for parents(and teachers) to have this conversation with them. I've seen the conversation happen with my own eyes so it definitely is a reality.

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35 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

We're neighbors, and I've met plenty of African Americans who have feared for their lives in this city. You are right the police are insane, and the narrative that black people are criminal prone plays a big role in the interactions. My mom used to work near the Dome(Vine City) and the black crime was an issue, and cops would come near the part of town in a different mindset than they would elsewhere, and it would cause EVERYBODY to fear for their lives.

 

Cops are on edge when they come to black areas, so its only natural for parents(and teachers) to have this conversation with them. I've seen the conversation happen with my own eyes so it definitely is a reality.

Oh, I don't don't disagree with you, I just don't like the actual image, not the text. Rather than portray a reality that most people, particularly people in poor crime ridden areas shouldn't be cautious and respectful of the police, it portrays that the average upper-middle class black family should fear white police. If you look at the picture, they are dressed well, have nice furniture, not exactly the socio-economic class of black people that are getting shot in record numbers. The man that dresses and speaks like a hood rat has much, much more to fear than a man of the look and behaviour of someone like Will Smith.

There are so many, many intertwining reasons this is happening and I think it's nearsighted to merely label it as 'institutionalised racism' (which I think is non-existent in today's society, apart from outliers like the Broadway show 'Hamilton' refusing white auditions).

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There are many scenarios for the end of the world.
Attack by flying saucers is one.
Our predators have a probability distribution.
I believe a series of dictatorships is the closest one. In every country there is a lunatic, with his own particular type of brain damage.
In the end we have to live in the mountains-caves and we die one by one.

 

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17 hours ago, KevinAshburner said:

Der Spiegel Opts for Cosmic Trump Cover

http://www.adweek.com/fishbowlny/der-spiegel-donald-trump-edel-rodriguez/390233

 

A German Magazine Company - DER SPIEGEL

THE ILLUMINATI HAVE GIVEN US ANOTHER SUBLIMINAL END TIME MESSAGE BEFORE THEY START WORLD WAR 3 AND THE END OF THE WORLD.

 

the WIE WIR SIE KENNEN - means end of the world as we know it or they know it is the end of the things we know it.

Hehe this is interesting. I been listening to people who talk about Prophecy. Of course there's the famous nostradamus. 

There's this video I have of this guy that had a dream in 1980 and he told it in a conference in 2000. Looking back 16 years into that it seems like his dream might be true. 

Watch here if you cared to see. It's a long one, but really good. 

 

 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

11 hours ago, Spike said:

Oh, I don't don't disagree with you, I just don't like the actual image, not the text. Rather than portray a reality that most people, particularly people in poor crime ridden areas shouldn't be cautious and respectful of the police, it portrays that the average upper-middle class black family should fear white police. If you look at the picture, they are dressed well, have nice furniture, not exactly the socio-economic class of black people that are getting shot in record numbers. The man that dresses and speaks like a hood rat has much, much more to fear than a man of the look and behaviour of someone like Will Smith.

There are so many, many intertwining reasons this is happening and I think it's nearsighted to merely label it as 'institutionalised racism' (which I think is non-existent in today's society, apart from outliers like the Broadway show 'Hamilton' refusing white auditions).

Upper middle class black people are not exempt from racism, or the reality of their image, in dealing with cops though. I remember of obama speaking of an older woman running off an elevator when he got on it as a kid in Hawaii, and he was the grandson of a Bank executive going to the best private school in all of Hawaii. The stereotype of African Americans as criminals doesnt disappear when they have wealth,status(as shown when he injected himself in the John Louis Gates situation a couple of years ago), or even popularity. I do agree that this specific group isnt the main one living in areas where cops are everywhere behaving in crazy fashion, but does the average cop seeing a young black male automatically know his socioeconomic background? All the kids these days dress alike from what I can tell.

Institutionalized racism is in every part of American society today, and I can only concede that it is too ingrained to ever realistically be removed. Everything from me, and your wife, having to score standard deviations higher on standardized tests to get into the same schools other Americans get into with scholarships, to the Bamboo ceiling in Silicon Valley and other businesses which magically are over-represented by Asians in every facet outside of leadership(A Bamboo Ceiling Keeps Asian-American Executives From Advancing), to even one of the biggest Asian stories being completely whitewashed when brought to American cinemas.

 

This trailer came out last week:

 

Scarlett Johansson is playing a character named Motoko Kusanagi It borders on absurd really, even in a world where robots are running around carrying out assassinations. Bias in media hiring are ever present. The only difference is Hamilton tackily put it out there for the world to see. It doesnt look good when it explicitly says: "Only this race need apply", but it is the status quo when its said "Well obviously this race cant sell"

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1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Upper middle class black people are not exempt from racism, or the reality of their image, in dealing with cops though. I remember of obama speaking of an older woman running off an elevator when he got on it as a kid in Hawaii, and he was the grandson of a Bank executive going to the best private school in all of Hawaii. The stereotype of African Americans as criminals doesnt disappear when they have wealth,status(as shown when he injected himself in the John Louis Gates situation a couple of years ago), or even popularity. I do agree that this specific group isnt the main one living in areas where cops are everywhere behaving in crazy fashion, but does the average cop seeing a young black male automatically know his socioeconomic background? All the kids these days dress alike from what I can tell.

Institutionalized racism is in every part of American society today, and I can only concede that it is too ingrained to ever realistically be removed. Everything from me, and your wife, having to score standard deviations higher on standardized tests to get into the same schools other Americans get into with scholarships, to the Bamboo ceiling in Silicon Valley and other businesses which magically are over-represented by Asians in every facet outside of leadership(A Bamboo Ceiling Keeps Asian-American Executives From Advancing), to even one of the biggest Asian stories being completely whitewashed when brought to American cinemas.

 

This trailer came out last week:

 

Scarlett Johansson is playing a character named Motoko Kusanagi It borders on absurd really, even in a world where robots are running around carrying out assassinations. Bias in media hiring are ever present. The only difference is Hamilton tackily put it out there for the world to see. It doesnt look good when it explicitly says: "Only this race need apply", but it is the status quo when its said "Well obviously this race cant sell"

we get it the other way round over here. Black women playing the part of medieval french queens in bbc dramas.  and then you had that ancient egyptian movie played by famous white actors. all pretty dumb

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

33 minutes ago, lucio said:

we get it the other way round over here. Black women playing the part of medieval french queens in bbc dramas.  and then you had that ancient egyptian movie played by famous white actors. all pretty dumb

The major difference is the vast majority of BBC dramas star white Actors in starring roles.

 

The very few Asian lead roles are almost exclusive recast with white actors, and then Asians are used a backdrop characters to feel up space like they are part of the scenery. So while such Changing as you will see in "Ethnic" classics or a hamilton are more of a novelty, the systemic removal of Asians from lead roles in western roles are the norm and accepted.  In all honesty the only, normal, Asian-American male I can think of as a character on American TV/media is Glenn from the walking dead.  Much less Asian-American heroes

[Fernando 6,589]

On 11/22/2016 at 8:39 AM, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Nazis descend on Washington DC to celebrate a trump presidency:

 

Absolute nutters. Funny thing is something like this would never be allowed in Germany, but we can have Nazis in our capital steering up hate. They don't even hide it anymore. Alt-Right is pretty much just a rebranding of Rockwell's Nazi party.

 

The face of people we will have to do battle with, to save the union.

 

I was watching this video on bible Prophecy and politics. 

The presenter seems to not agreed with Hillary. This was before the election, so I was wondering if what he is saying about Hilary is true. 

Check it out:

 

 

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The major difference is the vast majority of BBC dramas star white Actors in starring roles.

 

The very few Asian lead roles are almost exclusive recast with white actors, and then Asians are used a backdrop characters to feel up space like they are part of the scenery. So while such Changing as you will see in "Ethnic" classics or a hamilton are more of a novelty, the systemic removal of Asians from lead roles in western roles are the norm and accepted.  In all honesty the only, normal, Asian-American male I can think of as a character on American TV/media is Glenn from the walking dead.  Much less Asian-American heroes

What do you think about the Japanese cartoons, where they portray themselves as looking european half the time? I've never understood it, considering how proud and coservative Japan is supposed to be

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1 hour ago, lucio said:

What do you think about the Japanese cartoons, where they portray themselves as looking european half the time? I've never understood it, considering how proud and coservative Japan is supposed to be

That isn't true. The thing about anime is that people project their own ethnicity onto the characters. Most Japanese viewers will state that Goku is Japanese, while most Westerners will say he is white.

 

@Sir Mikel OBE I consider institutionalised racism to be laws (not private entities) that target people of specific races. The last I checked Jim Crow was done. I don't really consider things like Hamilton or the Ghost in the Shell incident sincere institutionalised racism (Mitsurugi is a human that has had her brain placed into a machine, she can look whatever ethnicity necessary, literally anyone who has watched the anime would know this, proving that the people outraged by it don't actually care) .

If you can find me a federal, state or local law that targets people of a particular race, then I'll conceded that institutionalised racism exists.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

I was watching this video on bible Prophecy and politics. 

The presenter seems to not agreed with Hillary. This was before the election, so I was wondering if what he is saying about Hilary is true. 

Check it out:

 

 

 I actually heard of this guy based on his missionary work in Indonesia, which I would imagine could be dangerous considering its the most populous Islamic nation on earth. I know he is Australian, but he doesnt look like he could be indonesian to me. Almost looks hapa.

 

As far as his prophecy teachings it definitely is an interesting viewpoint. I cant say that I, even as a christian in my youth,can say I ever bought in or put too much thought in that type of Evangelism. I must admit I was more of a nice Joel Osteen/motivational speaker type of Christian. Do you think this pastor is correct in the views he express in this video?

 

2 hours ago, lucio said:

What do you think about the Japanese cartoons, where they portray themselves as looking european half the time? I've never understood it, considering how proud and coservative Japan is supposed to be

Its just art styles in most cases,although there is an argument to be made If Nigerians were making Animation and trying to pass

 

As just one of the Igbo boys down the street the way some shows try to throw in blonde hair and blue eyes as ethnic Yamato traits when not a single one of us have that then there would be an interesting view at the cultural context to allow such things to be accepted merely on face value. That is a psychologist question though.

 

50 minutes ago, Spike said:

That isn't true. The thing about anime is that people project their own ethnicity onto the characters. Most Japanese viewers will state that Goku is Japanese, while most Westerners will say he is white.

 

@Sir Mikel OBE I consider institutionalised racism to be laws (not private entities) that target people of specific races. The last I checked Jim Crow was done. I don't really consider things like Hamilton or the Ghost in the Shell incident sincere institutionalised racism (Mitsurugi is a human that has had her brain placed into a machine, she can look whatever ethnicity necessary, literally anyone who has watched the anime would know this, proving that the people outraged by it don't actually care) .

If you can find me a federal, state or local law that targets people of a particular race, then I'll conceded that institutionalised racism exists.

Affirmative action that I mentioned is institutionalized racism. Asians have to score higher than whites, and other groups, to get into comparable universities.

Do Elite Colleges Discriminate Against Asians?

Acceptance rates at US medical schools in 2015 reveal ongoing racial preferences for blacks and Hispanics

 

As far as the Major's looks are concerned I could accept that she was foreign, in appearance, if every spelling of the character I have seen was not in Kanji. I find it hard to suspend my disbelief that was always meant to be caucasian in Appearance with a Kanji name written out. It doesnt make sense in any cultural context.

 

I gave the media examples because the media plays a large part in shaping ideas that form the world we see around us. Take Uncle Tom's cabin in the 1850s. The Abolitionist cause was set on fire by the story of a well-wishing, and loyal, black man who deserved freedom from bondage. If Asians are stereotyped as background scenery what push there for society at large to stand up for their rights? To demand they be treated the same by hiring managers for leadership roles in companies? Its a circle towards equality.

[Leif 6,006]

Lyor Cohen, a tall white Jewish man from Israel, runs hip hop. He freezes your bank accounts and changes your tracklistings if you oppose him, but before you even reach that level, you must have sex with him. From Dr Dre to Young Thug, this man has been balls-deep in some of hip hop's biggest stars. What Kanye, Dame Dash, Katt Williams and so many others allude to, the 'illuminati' they speak of, is simply the Jews who control media. They have so much power beyond their front of a rich family guy. They are so terrible behind the scenes. Abusive and manipulative, exploitairy & racist. 

I learned today after researching some random related shit that Jewish people all have common DNA, can you believe that?

Can you also believe a black Jewish man could exist? (I couldn't. It's the only religion or following besides the damn KKK which doesn't invite POC to the party. The Jews must be stopped, but they are far too powerful.)

[lucio 5,418]

11 minutes ago, Leif said:

Lyor Cohen, a tall white Jewish man from Israel, runs hip hop. He freezes your bank accounts and changes your tracklistings if you oppose him, but before you even reach that level, you must have sex with him. From Dr Dre to Young Thug, this man has been balls-deep in some of hip hop's biggest stars. What Kanye, Dame Dash, Katt Williams and so many others allude to, the 'illuminati' they speak of, is simply the Jews who control media. They have so much power beyond their front of a rich family guy. They are so terrible behind the scenes. Abusive and manipulative, exploitairy & racist. 

I learned today after researching some random related shit that Jewish people all have common DNA, can you believe that?

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Can you also believe a black Jewish man could exist? (I couldn't. It's the only religion or following besides the damn KKK which doesn't invite POC to the party. The Jews must be stopped, but they are far too powerful.)

 

Do you mean black and ethnically jewish? or just followers of Judaism? They spread the religion to Ethiopia thousands of years ago, and they claim to be Jewish, when they aren't really

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51 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

 I actually heard of this guy based on his missionary work in Indonesia, which I would imagine could be dangerous considering its the most populous Islamic nation on earth. I know he is Australian, but he doesnt look like he could be indonesian to me. Almost looks hapa.

 

As far as his prophecy teachings it definitely is an interesting viewpoint. I cant say that I, even as a christian in my youth,can say I ever bought in or put too much thought in that type of Evangelism. I must admit I was more of a nice Joel Osteen/motivational speaker type of Christian. Do you think this pastor is correct in the views he express in this video?

 

Its just art styles in most cases,although there is an argument to be made If Nigerians were making Animation and trying to pass

 

 

As just one of the Igbo boys down the street the way some shows try to throw in blonde hair and blue eyes as ethnic Yamato traits when not a single one of us have that then there would be an interesting view at the cultural context to allow such things to be accepted merely on face value. That is a psychologist question though.

 

Affirmative action that I mentioned is institutionalized racism. Asians have to score higher than whites, and other groups, to get into comparable universities.

Do Elite Colleges Discriminate Against Asians?

Acceptance rates at US medical schools in 2015 reveal ongoing racial preferences for blacks and Hispanics

 

As far as the Major's looks are concerned I could accept that she was foreign, in appearance, if every spelling of the character I have seen was not in Kanji. I find it hard to suspend my disbelief that was always meant to be caucasian in Appearance with a Kanji name written out. It doesnt make sense in any cultural context.

 

I gave the media examples because the media plays a large part in shaping ideas that form the world we see around us. Take Uncle Tom's cabin in the 1850s. The Abolitionist cause was set on fire by the story of a well-wishing, and loyal, black man who deserved freedom from bondage. If Asians are stereotyped as background scenery what push there for society at large to stand up for their rights? To demand they be treated the same by hiring managers for leadership roles in companies? Its a circle towards equality.

Motoko (not Mitsurugi my mistake) literally gets her brain taken out and placed into different bodies. She can literally be any race. I've watched the show and several of the iterations, her race has nothing to do with this, one of the entire philosophical concepts of GITS is if Motoko is still considered a human being and if she has the free will of one.  To be so focused on the race of the 'body' of the character defeats the entire purpose of GITS, it simply skips over the question 'is she really a human'? The name 'Ghost in the Shell' refers exactly to this, the body is just the 'shell' it means nothing, but the 'ghost', her brain is heavily digitalised; ergo is she still a human? I will reiterate the people being upset about this casting don't care at all about GITS.

If you consider affirmative action to be a part of institutionalised racism, yes the later still exists but purely from a governmental law perspective, it doesn't exist. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

16 minutes ago, Spike said:

Motoko (not Mitsurugi my mistake) literally gets her brain taken out and placed into different bodies. She can literally be any race. I've watched the show and several of the iterations, her race has nothing to do with this, one of the entire philosophical concepts of GITS is if Motoko is still considered a human being and if she has the free will of one.  To be so focused on the race of the 'body' of the character defeats the entire purpose of GITS, it simply skips over the question 'is she really a human'? The name 'Ghost in the Shell' refers exactly to this, the body is just the 'shell' it means nothing, but the 'ghost', her brain is heavily digitalised; ergo is she still a human? I will reiterate the people being upset about this casting don't care at all about GITS.

If you consider affirmative action to be a part of institutionalised racism, yes the later still exists but purely from a governmental law perspective, it doesn't exist. 

The biggest institution in America is the government and Affirmative action exists within it. This is institutional racism on the most basic level.

 

The name, even with that explanation, remains a pressing issue though.  If she is in a white, meaningless, shell for race then the Majors name would be spelled in a way to denote a foreign aspect. Instead we get it spelled in a way that explicitly denotes Japanese-ness, or Asian origin. It seems a weird oversight doesnt it? Especially considering the nuance used to spelling it in that specific way?

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23 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The biggest institution in America is the government and Affirmative action exists within it. This is institutional racism on the most basic level.

 

The name, even with that explanation, remains a pressing issue though.  If she is in a white, meaningless, shell for race then the Majors name would be spelled in a way to denote a foreign aspect. Instead we get it spelled in a way that explicitly denotes Japanese-ness, or Asian origin. It seems a weird oversight doesnt it? Especially considering the nuance used to spelling it in that specific way?

The character is Japanese as GITS is set in a fictional Japanese city, that is why. The appearance of the character is meaningless in this context. You need to separate the appearance from nationality in this scenario. GITS would never be accurate unless it was entirely in Japanese, with English used in the international context.

If Scarlette Johanssen could speak perfect Japanese, with the CGI altered appearance to give her a unhuman look, I think it'd make this film perfect. It won't happen but that is how I feel as a fan of the series.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

18 minutes ago, Spike said:

The character is Japanese as GITS is set in a fictional Japanese city, that is why. The appearance of the character is meaningless in this context. You need to separate the appearance from nationality in this scenario. GITS would never be accurate unless it was entirely in Japanese, with English used in the international context.

If Scarlette Johanssen could speak perfect Japanese, with the CGI altered appearance to give her a unhuman look, I think it'd make this film perfect. It won't happen but that is how I feel as a fan of the series.

It means something because thats always been a signifier in telling whether or not someone is considered Japanese or not given the fact that characters have big alien eyes and hair colors that span the spectrum of the rainbow.

 

Its a lack of respect for the source material that means the film will, in all honesty, fail. I said the same thing with Dragonball Evolution and Speed racer. The fans can tell when their beloved franchise is being dragged through the creative mud, and they react in part to that. 

 

It could be accurate without a full Japanese cast, but we have to be realistic. In a nation as diverse as America there is no reason for Scarlett to be cast as a Motoko Kusanagi, with a full Kanji name as the source material. It looks about as bad as Justin Chitin being cast as Son Goku

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10 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

It means something because thats always been a signifier in telling whether or not someone is considered Japanese or not given the fact that characters have big alien eyes and hair colors that span the spectrum of the rainbow.

 

Its a lack of respect for the source material that means the film will, in all honesty, fail. I said the same thing with Dragonball Evolution and Speed racer. The fans can tell when their beloved franchise is being dragged through the creative mud, and they react in part to that. 

 

It could be accurate without a full Japanese cast, but we have to be realistic. In a nation as diverse as America there is no reason for Scarlett to be cast as a Motoko Kusanagi, with a full Kanji name as the source material. It looks about as bad as Justin Chitin being cast as Son Goku

Goku is an alien and Motoko is a cyborg. This isn't disrespect to the source material at all it's you reading to much into something that has nothing to do with series as Motoko's nationality has little if anything to do with her character. It's a futuristic sci-fi fiction series with cyborgs running around doing clandestine government business, they aren't portraying Oda Nobunaga as a white man. 

Hell,  to be honest we don't even know if Motoko was Japanese, or if she is even a Japanese citizen, that is how little of her past we are shown. For all we know, she could simply have learned Japanese, or it could have been installed into her brain. At the end of one of the millions of series, she states she doesn't remember her real name, so her Japanese name is an alias.

She might not even be a real human, with fake memories implanted. 

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Japan doesn't even bloody exist in Dragon Ball, it's pure fantasy.

[-Kaplan- 410]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

Lyor Cohen, a tall white Jewish man from Israel, runs hip hop. He freezes your bank accounts and changes your tracklistings if you oppose him, but before you even reach that level, you must have sex with him. From Dr Dre to Young Thug, this man has been balls-deep in some of hip hop's biggest stars. What Kanye, Dame Dash, Katt Williams and so many others allude to, the 'illuminati' they speak of, is simply the Jews who control media. They have so much power beyond their front of a rich family guy. They are so terrible behind the scenes. Abusive and manipulative, exploitairy & racist. 

I learned today after researching some random related shit that Jewish people all have common DNA, can you believe that?

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Can you also believe a black Jewish man could exist? (I couldn't. It's the only religion or following besides the damn KKK which doesn't invite POC to the party. The Jews must be stopped, but they are far too powerful.)

 

This is a joke?