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[Rmpr 8,977]

Yes you guys did in the past

LOL, dont say what you dont know. What a blasphemy!

Brazil never went near Equador!!!

We had issues with Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. But never Equador!

LOOOOOL!

[Stingray 9,441]

LOL, dont say what you dont know. What a blasphemy!

Brazil never went near Equador!!!

We had issues with Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. But never Equador!

LOOOOOL!

Im sure you did! Imperialist! Nazi!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

To be fair, if @Rmpr is anything to go by, those Brazilians can quite the imperialistic bunch

[Fernando 6,585]

LOL, dont say what you dont know. What a blasphemy!

Brazil never went near Equador!!!

We had issues with Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. But never Equador!

LOOOOOL!

Ecuador was more bigger.

Brazil is one of the country in South America that has taken more land from many nations.

Ecuador and Uruguay are the two countries that have been screwed the most over the years relative to land being taken away.

[Fernando 6,585]

And you ignore ALL the other points made.

Also, no there was a unilateral resolution to divide the land, but plan Dalet started, which had the goal to expanderen beyond the borders of the original divisionist plan. See the Israeli historian Benny Morris and Ari Zavit

http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm

Seconden: because annexing countries has been around for ever, that does not make it right. Also: they didnt just take land ([and keep taking it) they put an entire people in a prison camp (Gaza), from which there is NO escape, and perform an ethnoc cleansing of the territory to get all the fertile lands - in the proces killing everyone in that open air prison.

I hope you know the average age in Gaza is 17.

Now please, answer my points as well.

If I'm not mistaken, the plan that Israel acquired further land after getting there was after a war that they had against other nations.

The 6th day war or whatever it was.

They came against Israel a couple of nations and they lost.

In that process they lost lands.

Again you keep bringing me such a one sided argument. I want to hear both sides as well.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

If I'm not mistaken, the plan that Israel that further acquired after getting there was after a war that they had against other nations.

The 6th day war or whatever it was.

They came against Israel a couple of nations and they lost.

In that process they lost lands.

Again you keep bringing me such a one sided argument. I want to hear both sides as well.

If Egypt lost that 6th day war, how come they got their land back??!!!!! You need to read much more Fernando.

[Rmpr 8,977]

To be fair, if @Rmpr is anything to go by, those Brazilians can quite the imperialistic bunch

We were...throughout our history our territory never got smaller, it always got bigger. So, if now our borders arent near Ecuadors, it never was. Thus leading to the conclusion we never took any land from them!

I dont know what Fernando is talking about really, because Brazil and Ecuador never had any issues. If he was Paraguayan or Bolivian I would understand, but being Ecuadorian he must be high to think we had anything to do with their land to be quite honest...

[Rmpr 8,977]

Ecuador was more bigger.

Brazil is one of the country in South America that has taken more land from many nations.

Ecuador and Uruguay are the two countries that have been screwed the most over the years relative to land being taken away.

Just because you had land taken from you, it doenst mean it was Brazil who did it.

Like I said, we are no saints and we have taken land from a few neighbors. However, think before posting shit because Brazil never came near your country!

Besides, Uruguay had land taken away from them? LOL. They werent even a country to begin with. England just created it so Brazil and Argentina would stop fighting for Rio de la Plata Basin. They were never bigger then they are today...

[Stingray 9,441]

If I'm not mistaken, the plan that Israel acquired further land after getting there was after a war that they had against other nations.

The 6th day war or whatever it was.

They came against Israel a couple of nations and they lost.

In that process they lost lands.

Again you keep bringing me such a one sided argument. I want to hear both sides as well.

Right. read a bit first then to figure out the "whatever it was". Ive been following this conflict before you were born probably- sigh.

It started the 5th of june with a surprise attack on Egyptian airfields. Quite contrary to popular beliefs, it was no Israeli David versus Goliath. More and more people (eg. General Peled who was in charge of that war, the new historians in Israel and many more) Also, you miss context before those six days in june, the context of zionism, the aftermath leading to both intifadas. Its quite painful to see.

I dont bring a one sided argument whatsoever. I brought all the historians facts throughout the thread, awarded documentaries from both sides, scientific Paper from both Israëli's as palestinians, UN reports, independent Human right watchers etc. You just brainfart slogans and meaningless bs.

You are an ignoramus. Bye bye sir. I mean this in a thoroughly unemotional though unrespectful way. Plz just block my posts if you cannot handle a debate based on facts or if you dont brother reading what people (as i have) have written with facts, nuances galore.

[Fernando 6,585]

Just because you had land taken from you, it doenst mean it was Brazil who did it.

Like I said, we are no saints and we have taken land from a few neighbors. However, think before posting shit because Brazil never came near your country!

Besides, Uruguay had land taken away from them? LOL. They werent even a country to begin with. England just created it so Brazil and Argentina would stop fighting for Rio de la Plata Basin. They were never bigger then they are today...

Like I said Ecuador was bigger.

Something a long these lines:

If Egypt lost that 6th day war, how come they got their land back??!!!!! You need to read much more Fernando.

I meant that because of this war in which different nations came against Israel, it actually expanded their borders.

Is that not right?

[Fernando 6,585]

Right. read a bit first then to figure out the "whatever it was". Ive been following this conflict before you were born probably- sigh.

It started the 5th of june with a surprise attack on Egyptian airfields. Quite contrary to popular beliefs, it was no Israeli David versus Goliath. More and more people (eg. General Peled who was in charge of that war, the new historians in Israel and many more) Also, you miss context before those six days in june, the context of zionism, the aftermath leading to both intifadas. Its quite painful to see.

I dont bring a one sided argument whatsoever. I brought all the historians facts throughout the thread, awarded documentaries from both sides, scientific Paper from both Israëli's as palestinians, UN reports, independent Human right watchers etc. You just brainfart slogans and meaningless bs.

You are an ignoramus. Bye bye sir. I mean this in a thoroughly unemotional though unrespectful way. Plz just block my posts if you cannot handle a debate based on facts or if you dont brother reading what people (as i have) have written with facts, nuances galore.

Because you mix fact with things that are one sided.

Like this:

the hijacking of bus 300 in the seventies out of protest- where the palestinian hijackers were arrested and afterwards brutally killed in could blood)

You want me to side with hijackers?

No matter what the reason is, when you hijack a bus your a criminal.

There's nothing peaceful about that.

[Stingray 9,441]

Because you mix fact with things that are one sided.

Like this:

the hijacking of bus 300 in the seventies out of protest- where the palestinian hijackers were arrested and afterwards brutally killed in could blood)

You want me to side with hijackers?

No matter what the reason is, when you hijack a bus your a criminal.

There's nothing peaceful about that.

Never mind .....

You really do NOT get that the entire zionist expansion after/since 1947 was highly violent, you read that article i posted just today from a very Zionist guy admitting to several war crimes .... ?

Do you not see what 90% of the world sees now. What UN sees, what every independant observer is seeing?

Can it not be so that your view is a little wrong?

Ps : google Shin bet and bus 300. Put this into the context of a people under siege. Then say what you want. Ps: 1984 btw

Also search for the part: at 8.00 am, the morning after idf forces blew up the houses of the families of the four hikackers. Source: Moshe Arens and Avraham Shalom - both directing officers for IDF and Shin Bet.

[Fernando 6,585]

Never mind .....

You really do NOT get that the entire zionist expansion after/since 1947 was highly violent, you read that article i posted just today from a very Zionist guy admitting to several war crimes .... ?

Do you not see what 90% of the world sees now. What UN sees, what every independant observer is seeing?

Can it not be so that your view is a little wrong?

Well when you hijacked a bus I'm supposed to let it slide?

When the country is a heaven for terrorist organization is that supposed to be OK?

I ask why does Israel do this?

And all I keep seeing is that they get provoke into it by terrorist act.

See it would be a genocide if Israel came and bomb my country.

My country that has done nothing or its a heaven for terrorist organization.

They are going to war like USA at Afghanistan, and in a war environment casualties happen.

[Stingray 9,441]

Well when you hijacked a bus I'm supposed to let it slide?

When the country is a heaven for terrorist organization is that supposed to be OK?

I ask why does Israel do this?

And all I keep seeing is that they get provoke into it by terrorist act.

See it would be a genocide if Israel came and bomb my country.

My country that has done nothing or its a heaven for terrorist organization.

They are going to war like USA at Afghanistan, and in a war environment casualties happen.

Still no answer to my points. Do i tickle you? Do i make you feel uncomfortable?

A heaven for terrorists ..... Israel getting provoked. Dude, really. Get a grip and read some context on the subject. Its not like suddenly palestinians decided to shoot Rockets at their piece living neighbours. Explain Chabra and chatilah for example?

[Fernando 6,585]

Still no answer to my points. Do i tickle you? Do i make you feel uncomfortable?

What point?

That Israel gone to war against terrorism?