Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

I might as well accuse you lot of antisemitism

not ONE said jew here. We always, always said zionist (which is a political label going back to Herzl).

Prove me wrong, I dare you to draw the sword out of the stone Mr Excalibuurrrrr

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

LOL, Define Jihad for everyone hear since that you are so knowledgeable on it James.

Jihad simply means struggle but offensive Jihad, which is the Jihad in question (as mandated by the Qur'an in 9:29 and several other places) is one of the greatest terror threats the world faces today.

This is a decent video that uses Islamic scripture to detail how Muhammad practiced Jihad during his life.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Jihad simply means struggle but offensive Jihad, which is the Jihad in question (as mandated by the Qur'an in 9:29 and several other places) is one of the greatest terror threats the world faces today.

This is a decent video that uses Islamic scripture to detail how Muhammad practiced Jihad during his life.

LOOOOL. Again James you fail miserably, as the Quran does not mandate "struggling", it mandates STRIVING to DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED. You love to interpret things the way you want. Like in the video, Bin Ladin would love you buddy.

[Stingray 9,441]

@MrExcalibur100,

Why do you insist on framing this as a religious, Jihad item? History shows it is much more. Have you forgotten the secular intifada movements? Is it because it strike a snare somewhere in your own world, your own field of interest? I wonder, really.

[Roquila 1,335]

It's quite funny.... Every religion is ment to be peaceful yet all of them are causing wars.

The Muslims

The Jews

The Christians

They all started a war at some point. What's even funnier is that the 'normal' religious people are quite peacefull, it's the extremists that are causing these bad things.

I live in a country where 90% of people are Muslims, we had nothing to worry until 2-3 years ago. Now about 5-8% of Kosovo's population are becoming Islam extremists and it's worrying me alot to be honest.
I know that everybody has his right to be whatever he wants and im ok with it until it starts to affect my life. I am living in the middle of Europe and not Arabia, I don't want to live in an extreme Islam country, those people in syria have brainwashed a portion of Kosovo's population.
If you believe in god then please stop killing each others like it's natural.

That Al-Baghdadi guy said that every Muslim should commit Jihad in Rome while it's the month of Ramadan. Yes. FUCKING JIHAD. We are talking about contradicting yourself here. If you believe in god then why commit Jihad? If god would want you dead you would be dead.

And no, im not anti-Islam. Im talking about Islam because i know more about them, not because i hate them.
I don't have an opinion on Religions, i neither love or hate them. I hate the extremists, with passion.
If you want to have a Religious war, fine. But dont fucking extend it to countries that have nothing to do with your sick ideas of life.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

It's quite funny.... Every religion is ment to be peaceful yet all of them are causing wars.

The Muslims

The Jews

The Christians

They all started a war at some point. What's even funnier is that the 'normal' religious people are quite peacefull, it's the extremists that are causing these bad things.

I live in a country where 90% of people are Muslims, we had nothing to worry until 2-3 years ago. Now about 5-8% of Kosovo's population are becoming Islam extremists and it's worrying me alot to be honest.

I know that everybody has his right to be whatever he wants and im ok with it until it starts to affect my life. I am living in the middle of Europe and not Arabia, I don't want to live in an extreme Islam country, those people in syria have brainwashed a portion of Kosovo's population.

If you believe in god then please stop killing each others like it's natural.

That Al-Baghdadi guy said that every Muslim should commit Jihad in Rome while it's the month of Ramadan. Yes. FUCKING JIHAD. We are talking about contradicting yourself here. If you believe in god then why commit Jihad? If god would want you dead you would be dead.

And no, im not anti-Islam. Im talking about Islam because i know more about them, not because i hate them.

I don't have an opinion on Religions, i neither love or hate them. I hate the extremists, with passion.

If you want to have a Religious war, fine. But dont fucking extend it to countries that have nothing to do with your sick ideas of life.

Love the fact that as a nuetral you can make a clear distinction between extremists and normal people.

[Stingray 9,441]

BTW tanks and soldiers are INSIDE Gaza, like we said we will use all the power that needed to bring the peace to our civilians again

And I will be there to make sure you cannot say "Ich have es nicht gewusst".

I remember Yugoslavia ethnic cleansing very well - you are too young for that - and it pretty much took the same turn. Its not a coincidence two old farts like me and Fullham Broadway are trying to warn on here.

[Roquila 1,335]

Love the fact that as a nuetral you can make a clear distinction between extremists and normal people.

I actually see religions as good things because they are ment to be peacefull and they keep your moral on a good ground. But if taken into extremes they can be really bad.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

I actually see religions as good things because they are ment to be peacefull and they keep your moral on a good ground. But if taken into extremes they can be really bad.

100% agree, I hate extremism on all levels. Not just religious but even in sports. Fans fight each other everywhere and some kill each other out of extremism. It is always good to try as much as possible to be level headed.

[Stingray 9,441]

Yes. This is the proof of the pudding. We will see how far the ethics of the IDF really go. I predict it will be a massacre of civilians. I also predict IDF will not care. I also predict it will be the Hamas elements forcing you to kill them.

Then I will read you from Mein Kampf which I have in my office here. Not because im a Nazi, but because my family was in camps for plus two years and I wanted to know the enemy. I will all explain to you every detail about what you do now, is what happened then and how it is related. Id like to show you why you remind me of the people that put them in the camps. I hope you are ready. But I think you will block it and let a life lesson pass without a glance....

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

Yeah ground invasion will do it that will bring the peace. Try some new US supplied weaponry, blow up some women and kids, that'll calm it down. Winning hearts and minds. I cant think of a better way to strive for peace.

Years to come this will come back to bite Israel...

[Roquila 1,335]

And I will be there to make sure you cannot say "Ich have es nicht gewusst".

I remember Yugoslavia ethnic cleansing very well - you are too young for that - and it pretty much took the same turn. Its not a coincidence two old farts like me and Fullham Broadway are trying to warn on here.

Kosovo, Kroatia and Bosnia have really suffered from that. I was about 6 years old when the war happen'd in Kosovo and it was terrifying. Just because some politicians thought it was a good idea to occupy smaller countries many people have suffered. I was in Belgrade about 5 days ago and everyone was friendly and almost every waiter in Restoraunts spoke a little Albanian. Politics are really fucked up.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

LOOOOL. Again James you fail miserably, as the Quran does not mandate "struggling", it mandates STRIVING to DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED. You love to interpret things the way you want. Like in the video, Bin Ladin would love you buddy.

It's hard to imagine you're being honest here or maybe you don't know the circumstances surrounding the revelation of Qur'an 9:29. This verse was apparently revealed when Muhammad was on his way to Tabuk and he heard a rumour that there was an army of Byzantines there so he decided to confront them probably in hopes of taking some plunder for him and his army who were dehydrating in the heat. This people never bothered him before. This is the brief summary from Ibn Kathir:

Allah, Most High, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred Mosque. On that, Quraish thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah, Most High, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until they embrace Islam or pay the Jizyah. Allah says,

"O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:28-29)

Therefore, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) decided to fight the Romans in order to call them to Islam. (Ibn Kathir, The Battles of the Prophet, pp. 183-4)

This is very clear. No sign of anybody fighting to "defend your country" which is a popular lie repeated by Muslim apologists. Let's see what the Qur'an says in context of Ibn Kathir's tafsir.

I've already done this before but since you keep on defending the indefensible:

Quran 9 verse 28

O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Quran 9 verse 29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran 9 verse 30

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

This is the full context of this verse, both from Qur'an and Ibn Kathir. Now, where my dear friend is the DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED part. It's a blatant lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tabouk

[Kieran. 6,317]

Ayman Mohyeldin, the NBC News correspondent who personally witnessed yesterday’s killing by Israel of four Palestinian boys on a Gazan beach and who has received widespread praise for his brave and innovative coverage of the conflict, has been told by NBC executives to leave Gaza immediately. According to an NBC source upset at his treatment, the executives claimed the decision was motivated by “security concerns” as Israel prepares a ground invasion, a claim repeated to me by an NBC executive. But late yesterday, NBC sent another correspondent, Richard Engel, along with an American producer who has never been to Gaza and speaks no Arabic, into Gaza to cover the ongoing Israeli assault (both Mohyeldin and Engel speak Arabic).

CREDIT: NBC News

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

It's hard to imagine you're being honest here or maybe you don't know the circumstances surrounding the revelation of Qur'an 9:29. This verse was apparently revealed when Muhammad was on his way to Tabuk and he heard a rumour that there was an army of Byzantines there so he decided to confront them probably in hopes of taking some plunder for him and his army who were dehydrating in the heat. This people never bothered him before. This is the brief summary from Ibn Kathir:

Allah, Most High, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred Mosque. On that, Quraish thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah, Most High, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until they embrace Islam or pay the Jizyah. Allah says,

"O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:28-29)

Therefore, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) decided to fight the Romans in order to call them to Islam. (Ibn Kathir, The Battles of the Prophet, pp. 183-4)

This is very clear. No sign of anybody fighting to "defend your country" which is a popular lie repeated by Muslim apologists. Let's see what the Qur'an says in context of Ibn Kathir's tafsir.

I've already done this before but since you keep on defending the indefensible:

Quran 9 verse 28

O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Quran 9 verse 29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran 9 verse 30

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

This is the full context of this verse, both from Qur'an and Ibn Kathir. Now, where my dear friend is the DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED part. It's a blatant lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tabouk

This is all falsified history James. I know my religion and history much more than you do. Not to mention I know how to properly read my book without taking things out of context. An advice to you is if you want to understand something, such as a faith that over a billion follow, you would have to approach it in non biased, no prejudice way. I have seen Jews do that better than you. Not to mention that they are actually specialized.

Possibly you have ignored this before so I am putting it out again. A JEWISH HISTORIAN BUDDY, someone who actually spent time to read and learn.