LDN Blue 7,903 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I like Bosingwa.Under Villas-Boas he has definitely improved his game. Tbh, he was never renowned for his defending, even in 2008 when he was rated one of the best in the world. Though, remembering the United game, he did very well keeping Ashley Young at bay! So he's not as "clumsy" as being made out.He does need to improve on his crossing. Sometimes his delivery is an absolute gem, other times he'll fail to clear the first defender. Obviously he's not the best RB in the world, but he's not as bad as people are making him out to be.Also, I'm yet to see yesterday's game, which I presume this thread has derived from?P.s. On the note of replacements? Billy Clifford. Definitely can compete with that Scumpool RB Jon Flanagan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 he did put in two terrible crosses and could be faulted for their goals ..capital crimes in some eyes ..time for the Guilotine they reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Maicon, Ramos or AlvesThere is really a shortage of world class wing backs/full backs, I think it might be the most unpopular position for children and hence it shows on higher level. You have to face quick and witty wingers and it can really fuck you up mentally, since it's one of the most important jobs on the field to contain the likes of Messi, Ronaldinho, Neymar and Ronaldo and they will almost always humiliate you and make you look like a fool. Defending against world class wingers is probably the hardest task in defense and proper full backs who don't get humiliated in attack AND defence are real gems.I've always admired the Italian approach to defending, 'either the ball gets past or the player, never both.' You are right though, there aren't that many Fullbacks/Wingbacks, that are 'good' enough for Chelsea. Maybe our Academy could create a few in the coming years.But saying that, I've forgotten to mention the best Fullback/Wingback in the world: Philipp Lahm. Though it would be a strange day to see him leaving Munich for Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madalista 30 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I like Bosingwa.Under Villas-Boas he has definitely improved his game. Tbh, he was never renowned for his defending, even in 2008 when he was rated one of the best in the world. Though, remembering the United game, he did very well keeping Ashley Young at bay! So he's not as "clumsy" as being made out.He does need to improve on his crossing. Sometimes his delivery is an absolute gem, other times he'll fail to clear the first defender. Obviously he's not the best RB in the world, but he's not as bad as people are making him out to be.Also, I'm yet to see yesterday's game, which I presume this thread has derived from?he made on mistake yesterday lost his marker for the swansea goal and people are on his case......dont see people attacking cole when nani roasted him in the man u game. anyway i think he has been good this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 he made on mistake yesterday lost his marker for the swansea goal and people are on his case......dont see people attacking cole when nani roasted him in the man u game. anyway i think he has been good this seasonThat doesn't surprise me.Like many have said, he's not very good at defensive intelligence. Especially when it comes to man marking (i.e. Giggs last season). However, like I said, he's hot and cold. He did well vs United last week vs. Ashley Young and this week not so well.He's not the best RB in the world, especially defensively. That's why the holding player is quite crucial, it's his role that allows the full back to attack so much.Edit: The goal was from a set-piece, I see. Well, he's not the first to lose his marker & he won't be the last. I.e. Lampard losing Smalling last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabriccfc 21 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 In my opinion Bosingwa is has been at a disadvantage on the pitch for a long time. Last year he got absolutely no help from the the right sided forward which was either Kalou or Anelka, and considering Anelka was playing some deep slightly right sided but basically central role that he made up, and Carlo should never have let him play, he was expected to provide all the width, do all the attacking and defending on the right, I think he did well. It's his attacking i've been disappointed with this season. His crossing has been shocking and he's been too tentative in taking on his man. Which is unfortunate, because when he tries to take on opposition players, he's often very good at it.I'm glad someone highlighted the lack of good Full-backs in the game, because i've always though it's the position with the least amount of world class players. Infact, I would say their aren't much more than 5 world class full-backs. Luckily for us, we have one.I hope Sturridge manages to secure his place on the right and takes the pressure off Bosingwa. Cole's work load has been lightened massively by the signing of Mata and it's showed in his play. Cole's much more safe in possession and picks his moments to get forward. Where as Bosingwa basically has to, or there is no outball on the right, making the formation lopsided.Please can we stop wanting to make rash decisions like sell our players, whenever they're not playing amazingly. All players go through spells where they aren't playing amazing every game. But Bosingwa has by no means been terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Lahm wasn't able to put a decent cross in that CL final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Gave the topic a more serious read and I'll stick by my original post.The bare truth is that I have not felt safe with him at RB in any game since his return from injury and that is way too many games for me to still have doubts about what I think of his ability.Frankly I don't think he has what it takes to defend at this level anymore. Then again this may be because I can't forget the way Giggs made him looks like a school-boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue out west 27 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 VDW is far better defending than Bosingwa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NattyBlue 44 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 He's ok to me. For big games though I really prefer Luiz at CB with Ivanovic at RB. It works so well because they can interchange positions nicely. I think Bos is slow getting back sometimes really. But it's also important to note that our left side is stronger than our right side in terms of players and ability etc. so we usually have less options there, resulting in him losing the ball or the opposing team enjoying their time on that side of the pitch.I prefer Ivanovic as a RB to Bosingwa, that's my thoughts on him. Ok player because he's good going forward and could be better defending, balances out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue out west 27 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 You are fucking kidding me right?...some people on here are incredibly selfish, Bosingwa has put in great performances and for just one you want to sell him, it's actually getting fucking stupid now...When is the last time he made a big (positive) impact against a major opponent? 2 nice moves and everyone forgets his horrific final product most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Well let us look at all the other RB and RWB in the world today. But first let's forget about Ivanovic for the moment.MaiconSergio RamosDani AlvesGregory Van Der WielAnthony RéveillèreRod FanniAzpilicuetaMicah RichardsThat is all I can think of. SO, who would you pick?You forgot Lahm. Definitely the best RB imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 When is the last time he made a big (positive) impact against a major opponent? 2 nice moves and everyone forgets his horrific final product most of the timeBosingwa this season has played brilliantly, and solid at right back, in defence he has been good, people are just complaining because of one mistake, and are wanting him to be sold. This club will get no where if we are selling players for stupid mistakes. And he has made good impact against openents, okay so tell me what right back do you want?, and what right back makes huge impacts against oppenents week in week out?. Okay then should we go out and splash the cash on the likes of Danny Alves?, he's good but can sometimes show he's not good enough for the barcelona squad at times. Or should we go buy Maicon?, he hasn't played too well in recent times, i don't think he's the best right back in the world anymore. Bosingwa is a great right back, and you should appreciate him, because we have two choices, a good offensive right back and good defensive right back (Ivanovic), but Bosingwa is even solid defending, in the Man U match he handeled Young very well, if any fulback in that game was struggling, it was Cole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 When is the last time he made a big (positive) impact against a major opponent? 2 nice moves and everyone forgets his horrific final product most of the timeSince his first priority is being a defender, I'd say he did do good against a major opponent when he prevented a certain Ashley Young from making a "big (positive) impact".I can't believe you're talking about horrific final products when his lone goal and assist have helped us seal two games this season for a win.I'm not asking for Bosingwa to painted in gold, but most of the criticism on this thread is unwarranted...season's only begun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I like Ivanovic as much as the next Chelsea fan. I will however never understand why anybody would want him at RB over Bosingwa. Ivan's crosses aren't much better if at all, and he's nowhere near as pacey. Bosingwa has been pretty solid so far this season. For me Ivan is an emergency RB only, but a very nice CB option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lentherussian 86 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 id personally be more inclined to use bosingwa against poorer teams or at home and against the top sides when we need to get the defending right play ivanovic with luiz partnering terry. For 1 i think luiz is a really positive player who can make a difference in tight games and seems to have a knack of making things happen. Althouh i think bosingwa did well against ashley young i dont particulary think he defended that well in the back line. Hes not a natural defender who wants to put himself on the line and thats needed more so against top side. I think your better off having your ball player in the centre as most top sides only play 1 upfront. For people saying that he was better then ashley cole against man utd id say it was very close, i think ash didnt have the best game but that tackle on hernandez albeit being a bit dangerous is a great example of a defending full back who is in the right position to make a challenge where bosingwa wdnt have been there imo to put hernandexz under pressure and he might have scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madalista 30 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 You forgot Lahm. Definitely the best RB imo.so the finally let lahm revert to his old position right back? remeber he ws made leftback temporarily in 2003 at stuttgart and ended up being one for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 You forgot Lahm. Definitely the best RB imo.I mentioned him in a later post. Which really is kind of odd, because I'm always preaching about how good the current crop of German footballers are.But saying that, I've forgotten to mention the best Fullback/Wingback in the world: Philipp Lahm. Though it would be a strange day to see him leaving Munich for Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 VDW isn't an improvement over Bosingwa. VDW is pretty average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombayblue™ 55 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Well let us look at all the other RB and RWB in the world today. But first let's forget about Ivanovic for the moment.MaiconSergio RamosDani AlvesGregory Van Der WielAnthony RéveillèreRod FanniAzpilicuetaMicah RichardsThat is all I can think of. SO, who would you pick?Sagna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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