Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Baring in mind, Cech is not exactly innocent when it comes to undermining the managers. Scolari identified him as one of the most rowdy of rebels who wanted him sack. So don't be surprised if Cech was playing some part in the mutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 you have put your finger on the damn problem around here.the rebuilding of the team from the core which won the back to back premships in 2006 was painstakingly slow2006-07 may have been too early...particularly after v won the league.then in 2007-08, we signed shevchencko, ballack and such flops but d core was still quite good...v reached the champions league final and were a penalty kick from winnin it.2008 - grant and ten cate are packed off , steve clarke left and big phil is brought in. we bought bosingwa, deco and mineiro...6 months later,big phil is shunted sideways but not before he manages to get ricardo quaresma on loan.then hiddink came, and v stabilised for a while but he did not stay either.next up was ance.signed zhirkov, matic, sturridge (rarely used) but even after we won the league there was rebuilding to be donewe released jcole, ballack, deco, belletti, carvalho and brought in ramires ...so v let go off 5 squad players and bought in ramires (and to be fair to ance - benayoun too- but he spent more time in the treatment table than anyone except owen hargreaves)that is where the root of the problem lies (apart from sacking mourinho) . . . Chelsea Football Club, please look up the word "REBUILDING" . I am sure it doesn't mean the same in my dictionaryGood post. But if you continue posting in that font size I may be forced to absolutely go berserk and ban you.Haha not really, but its really off-putting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCFC 357 Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 And how they know this?Did someone at the club said all this?Or they made it up as they always do?It's The Guardian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Just so you're aware I've merged the 'New Chelsea manager' thread and the 'AVB's last days' topic as they had the same reports within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Its not neccesarily true -but the Guardian is probably the last rag to make stuff up.A sweeping kneejerk clear out would have been awful -nearly all on this forum wanted Kalou out a year ago.Transition should be smooth, not wholesale eradication because players are 30 + or to fulfil some Fantasy Football transfer wet dream of internet warriors. There are virtues for both. its called continuity planning.IMO honest opinion there is way to much emphasis on the idea of experience , it should be seen as a helpful tool, not a necessity. And its clear that there are 6-8 players who have become a cancer on the club, and its growing. You don't let some cancer cells grow and grow while you take your time, you try and get rid of it as quickly as possible. Otherwise it kills you and this is what is exactly is happening at the club. We are just letting it grow and grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I wouldnt even expect a Sp*ds fan to call Lampard, Cech, Terry, Drogba et al -all title winning legends a ''cancer''. Disgraceful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Baring in mind that they earn over £100,000 a week still, and that I will still be supporting this club while they have all fucked off to China earning double of what they earn. I can say what the fuck I want about them. And I'm sorry, thats the only way I can describe it. They have become too destructive and the only way to get rid of the problem is to get rid of it as quickly as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,534 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Just hope whoever becomes Manager doesnt decide to take them away for a random hoilday to 'train 'or whatever the reason was..they came back even worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Yeah, just dump the man who was one of the world's best goalkeepers. I liked AVB sometimes, but at others he made himself look like such an idiot.His ability has nothing to do with it. He's one of the players with power, as evidenced by his involvement in the sacking of Scolari; thats the reason Villas-Boas wanted him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Not altogether surprising to see people believing these stories. Whatever suits an agenda .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Good post. But if you continue posting in that font size I may be forced to absolutely go berserk and ban you.Haha not really, but its really off-putting sorry for the inconvenience, mate...reducing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 AVB tried too hard to establish himself as a strong and respectable manager.He dug his own grave by not communicating with his senior players and maybe was a little too cocky because he had the backing of the owner.Chelsea is definitely not an easy club to manage and it was sad to see AVB make life more harder by choosing to make the decisions he made.The idea of Chelsea playing 'beautiful' football and youth prospects emerging under him was quite promising but I guess he focused too much on the future and gave little importance to the present.He should have spoken more with his players but chose to go the autocratic way.He should have known better that an autocratic style doesn't really work at this club and in the end its fair to say that he only has himself to blame for the sacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 It's easy to attack a man who can't respond.Most people on this forum were 100% behind Andre a few weeks ago, I guess this is a reminder of how powerful the media propaganda can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 It's easy to attack a man who can't respond.Most people on this forum were 100% behind Andre a few weeks ago, I guess this is a reminder of how powerful the media propaganda can be.YEP. Won't be surprised if some of the journos are reading this and sniggering.Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 The ends always justify the means in football. He wanted to end player power so he aggressively tried to get his message across, but it didn't work. The means are never criticised when someone gets it right; if he had managed to end player power and get his revolution underway we'd all be sitting here right now admiring his panache to risk his job to get rid of the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 HIs first big mistake was the intention to assess the squad last summer. Had he sold a couple of the dead woods and brought in more of his players than just Mata and Romeu, things would have been way different right now. Then again, it probably all come down to his overall management of the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Agree. I don't know why it took so long for our board to hire him... He was appointed on 22nd June. He should have been hired much much earlier. He was there and a week or 10 days later we had to depart for the US. Hardly ideal preparation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 It was André's plan the whole time to further expose the player power at Chelsea and become a martyr in the process. Saint André we hardly knew thee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 It was André's plan the whole time to further expose the player power at Chelsea and become a martyr in the process. Saint André we hardly knew thee.Nice conspiracy theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,534 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Agree. I don't know why it took so long for our board to hire him... He was appointed on 22nd June. He should have been hired much much earlier. He was there and a week or 10 days later we had to depart for the US. Hardly ideal preparation.And that will probably happen again this year espically with Euro's,may have a manger by then but squad wont be together till July no doubt then pre season starts and all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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