🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Ruben Loftus-Cheek

[Shakez 755]

4 hours ago, mccg said:

Yeah the Kante tactical problem needs to tweaked imho also , Kante as dm, Ruben + Barkley in afew games see how it goes 

Kante can't dictate play from deep like Jorginho/Fabregas, That's not going to happen under Sarri.

[lucio 5,418]

sad thing is, he probably won't even make the bench next game. Hope im wrong, 3 goals from midfield should be rewarded, regardless of the opponent

[mccg 1,528]

3 hours ago, Shakez said:

Kante can't dictate play from deep like Jorginho/Fabregas, That's not going to happen under Sarri.

He wouldnt have to , his dm role would be primarily to protect the back 4 and give the ball to Ruben or Barkley>  4123 formation worth a go, as we have seen if we are not flexible we will become predictable, as Kante in the position now is good but it is not carlsberg

[the wes 7,212]

10 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Stick him up front on Sunday !

Did Conte not say one time that RLC can play as a striker? 

[the wes 7,212]

Ruben Loftus-Cheek, 22, has hinted he will no longer seek a loan move in January because he wants to continue to learn from manager Maurizio Sarri. (Evening Standard)

I like this from RLC just keep performing kid and you will break into the team 

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31 minutes ago, the wes said:

Ruben Loftus-Cheek, 22, has hinted he will no longer seek a loan move in January because he wants to continue to learn from manager Maurizio Sarri. (Evening Standard)

I like this from RLC just keep performing kid and you will break into the team 

Great news! January moves on a loan are usually not good outcomes.

[El P. 1,354]

If he continues to improve we can let go Kovacic in summer and save money for striker, winger or defender...

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5 minutes ago, El P. said:

If he continues to improve we can let go Kovacic in summer and save money for striker, winger or defender...

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2 different roles really. Kovacic is actually better at the role Kante plays when they both start, and RLC obviously, is the more natural AMF (competing with Barkley). 

Notice that RLC ran riot with Kovacic in the Kante role. I can almost certainly guarantee you he wouldn't have had a hat trick had Kante been on the whole time. Kante is just very limited offensively. I do not see this changing to any massive degree. Kovacic is vastly superior in his forward flowing play. I DO understand Sarri needing high pressing defensive play from that B to B Alan role player, and why he obviously knows that Kante can do that, BUT Kovacic does provide that pressing too.

Kante is the worlds greatest destroyer trad DMF who is now trapped on a team that never uses that role. In the box to box 'Alan' role, Kovacic is by far, from all I have seen, the more effective player.

Let me sum it up this way. Kovacic's offensive transition flow is is better to a GREATER DEGREE over Kante's flow than Kante's high pressing prowess IN THAT ALAN ROLE is better than Kovacic's.

Obviously it is Kante hands down over not just Kova, but any other human on the planet if we are talking pure DMF. We just don't offer that as an option anymore for the wee baldy man.

Unless Kante adapts, we are going to have to start considering either sacking Sarri (ridiculous) or selling Kante whilst we can still get well over £100m for him. As long as Sarri is here, Kante will not play the only role he is world class at.

IF we lose Kovacic, we HAVE to replace him. We also HAVE to replace the truly spent, shamefully ineffective Cesc. We have literally zero effective back-up to Jorginho at DH DMF.

I STRONGLY suggest we grab the 3rd best DH DMF on the planet (after Busquets and Jorginho) in Rúben Neves. Neves also is unique in that he can also score from that position. Frenkie de Jong is by far my 2nd favourite at that position. He can play ANY MF position as well as centre back. Neves and de Jong are also both only 21 but already multi year starters.

IF we lose Kovacic, then we need to try and buy Piotr Zielinski from the poison dwarf (arffff) or Tanguy Ndombélé from Lyon or Bryan Cristante of Roma or Amadou Haidara of RB Salzburg or de Jong's teammate, Donny van de Beek. Maybe even (I have changed my mind on him and now rate him) Matias Vecino from Inter, but he will be 28 next summer and that's close to getting too old to buy on long term. His teammate Roberto Gagliardini is also a legit option.

Also we are crazy to not buy (and loan out for one year) 18yo Sandro Tonali of Brescia, as Sarri is obsessed with him and if anyone is potentially the new Pirlo, it's him. Juve want him BAD. Lets FUCK THEM for a fucking change!

Only way we can afford to buy these players is to sell Kante...... because......Hell, the only way to buy Neves alone is to sell Kante, as we ALSO have to fix a nightmare at striker, RW (Willian is shit and only will get worse, Pedro is getting old and is very injury-prone due to slight build), and potentially the grand-daddy of all nightmares at LW if Hazard and CHO leave. We are going to lose £100m on Hazard alone in lost valuation.

[kiwi1691 255]

Ruben is not Chelsea quality, one good game against low level opposition does not change that.

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On 26/10/2018 at 0:34 AM, Magic Lamps said:

 

Defence-

Kante-Jorginho-Kovacic

Barkley-RLC-Hazard

 

Nothing strange about that

Its a 4 3 3

With RLC as striker (very intriguing, would love to hear other thoughts on this, it probably is just too cray) and the move I have screaming to try, Barkley at RW, replacing the human play delay that is Willian.

[Fulham Broadway 17,315]

13 hours ago, the wes said:

Did Conte not say one time that RLC can play as a striker? 

Not sure did he? Hes better than the other two atm 

[the wes 7,212]

29 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Not sure did he? Hes better than the other two atm 

Yes here's the link 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/10549489/ruben-loftus-cheek-impressing-as-a-striker-for-antonio-contes-chelsea?basketId=11668

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3 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Ruben is not Chelsea quality, one good game against low level opposition does not change that.

Do you rate Barkley then?

Kovacic is not a true AMF (he should take Kante's place, as I discussed at length above) AND Real Madrid are more than likely going to NOT sell him to us (I desperately hope they do.)

If you don't rate Barkley, then surely you completely agree the number one AMF who is remotely available is Kai Havertz. Nabil Fekir is damaged goods, Victimpool saw the likelihood of a catastrophic re-injury of his knee. Isco is a pipe dream, unless you think a straight Isco for Hazard swap is a good move (it is club-destroying madness).

Havertz is 19, tracking to 16 plus goals, 20 plus assists in all comps and already is capped at Die Mannschaft level.

Talisca, Julian Draxler, Aleksandr Golovin (especially if Monaco get relegated), Carlos Soler, Pablo Fornals, Amine Harit, and Lucas Paquetá are other viable options.

Please explain what you think we should do at AMF, seeing as you obviously don't rate RLC. Edited to add I still have big hopes for RLC at some position.

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4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Do you rate Barkley then?

From what I have seen this season, Barkley is better than RLC

[El P. 1,354]

23 hours ago, Vesper said:

2 different roles really. Kovacic is actually better at the role Kante plays when they both start, and RLC obviously, is the more natural AMF (competing with Barkley). 

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Well, if that's the case - if Sarri really see things that way, than I'm of course on board with that! Jorginho - Kovačić - Barkley/RLC sounds sick against smaller opponents.

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20 minutes ago, El P. said:

Well, if that's the case - if Sarri really see things that way, than I'm of course on board with that! Jorginho - Kovačić - Barkley/RLC sounds sick against smaller opponents.

I honestly do not know what Sarri thinks on Kante v Kovacic in that hybrid b to b role

I do see what my eyes show me

Kovacic is far more integrated into the offensive flow, and is deffo a more than adequate pressing disruption force

I see Kante oft-times struggling with link passing

I want Kante on the field, but back in a destroyer role (which is supposedly not possible) and that is why, after a lot of effort, we came up with a 3-1-3-3 formation with Kante as destroyer in front of three CB's and a triangle of MF'ers in front of Kante, with Jorginho as the base, the other 2 MF providing rotational width and coverage, as well as feeding the front 3 LW CF RW

Its one of the few ways to get Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, and Barkley (or RLC) all on the field together as MF'ers AND Kante back to destroyer (the 3 CB's and Kante would feed off to Jorginho in his DH MF role still)

[manpe 10,861]

He played both wings today, so what do we think about RLC the winger?

[!Hazard! 3,394]

2 minutes ago, manpe said:

He played both wings today, so what do we think about RLC the winger?

I'd rather have Barkley RW and Loftus-Cheek as LCM 

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11 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

I'd rather have Barkley RW and Loftus-Cheek as LCM 

We had the perfect chance to try Barkley out at RW today, but Sarri put RLC there instead, which I am still scratching my head over. It worked out well in terms of goals, but we still know nothing other than RLC is not a winger, lolol (his goal had zero to do with wing play).

The really interesting experiment would have been to play RLC at striker and Barkley at RW after Pedro was injured and Morata was pulled.

The 2nd half, all that said, was sublime. Kante FINALLY started playing direct offensive-thrusting footie (to massive positive effect!) and Willian (in his true LW spot, was superb (yes, I said superb!, lolol)

I wish to FUCK Eden was ambipedal and could play RW as well as he plays LW, as Willian at LW actually does (at times, and certainly the 2nd half today) look like an actual £65m-worth winger. He was magnificent there, after fucking about the first half over on the right a lot. Cannot figure him out for shit.

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RLC at the moment will never play in CM IMO. Sarri has already hinted that he needs to improve defensively.

Even though Barkley does not defend or keep possession as well as Kovacic, he still has the dynamism that RLC lacks. I do like RLC because he's got the technique to become a very good player. Reckon that at this time he will only be given minutes in one of the advanced positions: CAM, RW, or LW.