Gary Cahill

[BenIsLegend 475]

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Oh Gaz! He pulls off that look quite well though lol

[The Skipper 20,609]

Why are you brazilians that blind? I never said Garry is best in world, not even close. But he is still better than Luiz as defender and thats the whole point. No one is saying cahill is best, just that he is better than Luiz.

Cahill is a better defender in certain systems, Luiz is a better defender in others. It isn't a fact about who's better or not, that might be your opinion but not everyone shares that.

For example myself. I'm not Brazilian but when both are on top form Luiz is the better defender IMO, so it really isn't a "Brazilian" thing either.

Barca, Bayern and PSG would never buy Cahill because he would be below average in their systems. Luiz is a proactive defender, goes for interceptions and tries to win the ball back ASAP whilst Cahill is a reactive defender, backs off and waits for the right moment to tackle an attacker.

If you think Luiz cost PSG £50m because of his hair then you're just wrong IMO. There's many reasons why he went for that price i.e. the fact that he suits their system like a glove, is the ideal partner for T. Silva, the fact we aren't a selling club, his versatility, big game performances etc...

In a high line defensive system Luiz is just the better defender because that suits his defensive attributes better whilst in a low to medium block system Cahill shines more because it suits his defensive attributes more.

Personally I think when both are on top form, Luiz is the better defender, but that's just my personal preference just like yours is Cahill. It isn't a fact.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Cahill is a better defender in certain systems, Luiz is a better defender in others. It isn't a fact about who's better or not, that might be your opinion but not everyone shares that.

For example myself. I'm not Brazilian but when both are on top form Luiz is the better defender IMO, so it really isn't a "Brazilian" thing either.

Barca, Bayern and PSG would never buy Cahill because he would be below average in their systems. Luiz is a proactive defender, goes for interceptions and tries to win the ball back ASAP whilst Cahill is a reactive defender, backs off and waits for the right moment to tackle an attacker.

If you think Luiz cost PSG £50m because of his hair then you're just wrong IMO. There's many reasons why he went for that price i.e. he fact that he suits their system like a glove, is the ideal partner for T. Silva, the fact we aren't a selling club, his versatility, big game performances etc...

In a high line defensive system Luiz is just the better defender because that suits his defensive attributes better whilst in a low to medium block system Cahill shines more because it suits his defensive attributes more.

Personally I think when both are on top form, Luiz is the better defender, but that's just my personal preference just like yours is Cahill. It isn't a fact.

Fair enough, I think for Chelsea system, Cahill is the better defender than Luiz and that is the most important thing for us in the end.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Fair enough, I think for Chelsea system, Cahill is the better defender than Luiz and that is the most important thing for us in the end.

I unequivocally agree. There's no comparison. Cahill is the "safer" option, safe because he can actually defend properly. Luiz always looks like he's one brainfart away from disaster.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I unequivocally agree. There's no comparison. Cahill is the "safer" option, safe because he can actually defend properly. Luiz always looks like he's one brainfart away from disaster.

Cahill is the "safer" option in our system yes, but if you put Cahill in a high line defensive system he'd be even more unsafe than Luiz in a low block system.

Luiz can obviously defend properly as well, you're contradicting yourself when you say he's a "brain fart" away - that points to concentration issues rather than defensive ability.

Do you think PSG, Bayern and Barca were stupid enough to be willing to spend ~£30m+ on a defender that can't defend? Just because he doesn't have your preferred way of defending doesn't mean he can't.

You say that because you're a GK you prefer a safer, no risk option at the back, but that's due to the type of GK you are. Myself, as a GK, I prefer and really like a CB that is very confident on the ball and is proactive in getting the ball - when I play in goals (usually in a high line system) I'm always on the lookout to come out and rush the ball i.e. Neuer/Lloris so I prefer a more proactive CB - but that's just the sort of keeper I am.

As I said before, It really comes down to preference and the style of defending you prefer.

[Polo7 3,496]

Luiz has proved time and time again that he is a huge liability at the back. He can defend but his judgement at times is ridiculous. Thats the reason he isnt reliable.

[Polo7 3,496]

Cahill is the "safer" option in our system yes, but if you put Cahill in a high line defensive system he'd be even more unsafe than Luiz in a low block system.

Luiz can obviously defend properly as well, you're contradicting yourself when you say he's a "brain fart" away - that points to concentration issues rather than defensive ability.

Do you think PSG, Bayern and Barca were stupid enough to be willing to spend ~£30m+ on a defender that can't defend? Just because he doesn't have your preferred way of defending doesn't mean he can't.

You say that because you're a GK you prefer a safer, no risk option at the back, but that's due to the type of GK you are. Myself, as a GK, I prefer and really like a CB that is very confident on the ball and is proactive in getting the ball - when I play in goals (usually in a high line system) I'm always on the lookout to come out and rush the ball i.e. Neuer/Lloris so I prefer a more proactive CB - but that's just the sort of keeper I am.

As I said before, It really comes down to preference and the style of defending you prefer.

We paid £50m for a striker who cant score....whats your point?

[Madmax 9,219]

We paid £50m for a striker who cant score....whats your point?

I think he has made his point quite well but you want to ignore it while taking one sentence out of context.

[didierforever 7,349]

Last time I checked, Luiz isn't worth £50m. But whatever floats your boat, yo.

according to robguima... bale is better than ronaldo, messi, maria etc etc.. infact bale is the bestest player EVER. since the transfer market is the best way to.judge a player. Also torres os better than DD, zlatan, henry etc etc. Torrss is the best striker. He was also brought for 50mil and the narket does not lie.

[robsblubot 3,595]

according to robguima... bale is better than ronaldo, messi, maria etc etc.. infact bale is the bestest player EVER. since the transfer market is the best way to.judge a player. Also torres os better than DD, zlatan, henry etc etc. Torrss is the best striker. He was also brought for 50mil and the narket does not lie.

no, I never said player's valuations are that precise. Just that they ought to be taken into account, because they will never be that "off" either. Had PSG not been in the picture and DL would've been sold for 35m, which is hardly cheap for a defender. We bought him for 21M + Matic! So it's also not a one time thing either. Now, I am NOT the one here who chooses to ignore all these facts.

I've said over and over that PSG as the new rich has to overpay to acquire players... was it any different with City or even us before?

Just for the record, I'm not a big fan of Ronaldo and think Bale isn't t that far behind him (higher ceiling too). Messi (who's a genius) doesn't even have a price tag on him.

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Anyway David Luiz is gone and got us a lot of cash in return.

Shouldn't we be talking about Gary here though? How does he fare against other low block defenders?

Top of my head, Terry is still better; Godin is better as well; then you have players who are comfortable with both high and low blocks, like Kompany and Sergio Ramos. Though I feel Kompany is more comfortable in a low block. There aren't that many players of his type, who are much superior than Cahill.

[didierforever 7,349]

no, I never said player's valuations are that precise. Just that they ought to be taken into account, because they will never be that "off" either. Had PSG not been in the picture and DL would've been sold for 35m, which is hardly cheap for a defender. We bought him for 21M + Matic! So it's also not a one time thing either. Now, I am NOT the one here who chooses to ignore all these facts.

I've said over and over that PSG as the new rich has to overpay to acquire players... was it any different with City or even us before?

Just for the record, I'm not a big fan of Ronaldo and think Bale isn't t that far behind him (higher ceiling too). Messi (who's a genius) doesn't even have a price tag on him.

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Anyway David Luiz is gone and got us a lot of cash in return.

Shouldn't we be talking about Gary here though? How does he fare against other low block defenders?

Top of my head, Terry is still better; Godin is better as well; then you have players who are comfortable with both high and low blocks, like Kompany and Sergio Ramos. Though I feel Kompany is more comfortable in a low block. There aren't that many players of his type, who are much superior than Cahill.

We bought a 25mil £ 24 or something year old, potentially world next best center back. Fair enough? Maybe but STILL over priced.

I am not denying any facts. If price was a criteria to see a Players' calibre then luiz would have been the best EVER.Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the world it is not. The fact is that while luiz is a top top FOOTBALLER, his concentration, brain darts, decision making make hin anything but a world class defender. Those are the facts.

[robsblubot 3,595]

We bought a 25mil £ 24 or something year old, potentially world next best center back. Fair enough? Maybe but STILL over priced.

I am not denying any facts. If price was a criteria to see a Players' calibre then luiz would have been the best EVER.Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the world it is not. The fact is that while luiz is a top top FOOTBALLER, his concentration, brain darts, decision making make hin anything but a world class defender. Those are the facts.

no dude, they are opinions.

David Luiz sold for 50M = FACT

David Luiz bought for 21m + Matic = FACT

Brain farts, bad decision making, never world class = OPINION

I for one have a hard time taking these opinions seriously, when considering the facts listed above.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Cahill is the "safer" option in our system yes, but if you put Cahill in a high line defensive system he'd be even more unsafe than Luiz in a low block system.

Luiz can obviously defend properly as well, you're contradicting yourself when you say he's a "brain fart" away - that points to concentration issues rather than defensive ability.

Do you think PSG, Bayern and Barca were stupid enough to be willing to spend ~£30m+ on a defender that can't defend? Just because he doesn't have your preferred way of defending doesn't mean he can't.

You say that because you're a GK you prefer a safer, no risk option at the back, but that's due to the type of GK you are. Myself, as a GK, I prefer and really like a CB that is very confident on the ball and is proactive in getting the ball - when I play in goals (usually in a high line system) I'm always on the lookout to come out and rush the ball i.e. Neuer/Lloris so I prefer a more proactive CB - but that's just the sort of keeper I am.

As I said before, It really comes down to preference and the style of defending you prefer.

I don't want the ball anywhere near my goal. A defender who boots the ball upfield is doing what he's paid to do. If I want someone to try and dribble around four players and then, on most occasions, lose possession of the ball, I'd ask my wingers to play at centre-half. As you say, it's down to your own personal preference. But, in my honest opinion, for what I believe a defender should do - and I base these characteristics on the Ricardo Carvalhos, John Terrys and Alexs of this world - I want them, primarily, not to give me a heart attack every time he touches the ball. That's why I like Gary "the safe option" Cahill.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. However if you think that PSG aren't being stupid in offering £48 million for the bloke...

[The Skipper 20,609]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. However if you think that PSG aren't being stupid in offering £48 million for the bloke...

Which is fair enough, I can understand that.

And of course, PSG definitely overpaid though, by quite some fee as well. Luiz should've gone for around £30m at most but because they had solid competition from Barcelona and Bayern they made us a stupendous offer that blew the competition out of the water and we obviously couldn't resist that.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Which is fair enough, I can understand that.

And of course, PSG definitely overpaid though, by quite some fee as well. Luiz should've gone for around £30m at most but because they had solid competition from Barcelona and Bayern they made us a stupendous offer that blew the competition out of the water and we obviously couldn't resist that.

As you say, it's down to personal opinion. There's no doubting that Luiz is by far the superior footballer on a technical level, but he is more prone to lapses in concentration than most CBs we've had in the past, and he is certainly a far riskier option in the defensive system Mourinho utilises. I'm sad to lose the man, but not the player, personally. And the transfer fee is an added bonus.