Frank Lampard

[TheCount 146]

We have a policy for players over the age of 30 and I think it's one we need to stick to. I really don't think that's reason to question my 'loyalty as a True Blue' although I'm more than happy to put my credentials up against anyone on here.

Getting rid of experienced players defo worked for arsenal the last few years.....wait. 8 years and they won fuck all i believe the song goes,

1st Tiki taka, now getting rid of experienced players and leaders? why do people want to copy arsealona into the abyss?

[The only place to be 11,313]

Getting rid of experienced players defo worked for arsenal the last few years.....wait. 8 years and they won fuck all i believe the song goes,

1st Tiki taka, now getting rid of experienced players and leaders? why do people want to copy arsealona into the abyss?

Getting rid of players without replacing them was their issue, as well as underinvesting which is something we clearly haven't done.

In terms of age and experience, we'll have a team of players like Cech, Ivanovic, Cahill, Mikel, Mata, Torres and Luiz who are all around 25-30 which seems a decent age for a squad.

People want to talk about leadership and experience - where was that in the first 30 minutes today? Where was that against Corinthians?

What we need is a team of leader, rather than pinning everything on Lamps or JT (Terry of course being the player we can't live without, except we seem to have done pretty well with Cahill and Ivanovic at CB, which has forced us to play Azpi at RB who it turns out is a real gem).

I'm not against giving Lamps a contract extension, but he's going to be 35 at the end of the season and currently earns more than £100,000 p/w which is about £5 million p/a, whilst we also have at least two young players who we need to give a good look at (in a purely platonic way I should point out for the scumbag who wants to say vile things on here under the guise of being a Chelsea fan) and try to maintain a profit in the second period of FFP.

We aren't Arsenal. We don't sell our best players and we actually have a very good spread of age and experience throughout the squad.

[osgoodisgod 150]

I've already said a lot in this thread recently, so I'm going to attempt to spare you all from the extended long-winded rants & keep this fairly concise for those delinquents who continue to stand by their deluded beliefs that Lampard doesn't deserve a new contract equivalent to what I would expect are his more than reasonable demands.

Today, he not only single-handedly saved our now very real title hopes with a brace, but he also put in an all-round true captain's performance that included some great defensive discipline at times; as well as completing the full 90 mintues without reprieve - leaving just about every recent argument claiming lack of ability, fitness or other invented fallacies absolutely & entirely redundant. Say what you want about it from your own point of view, but he did what everyone else on the team failed to do; twice. That is a fact that is impossible to argue against.

As are the stats - we suffer severely when we're missing Lamps - it's not just a happy coincidence, it's the cold hard reality that so many on this forum seem unbelievably reluctant to succumb to & admit.

How so many of you on here can continue to write off a player who has answered adversity & obliterated his doubters without fail time & time again - is truly beyond my comprehension.

If you are a Chelsea fan, a Chelsea fan who has witnessed first-hand what this man has done for this club over the last decade, & you still don't think he has earned the right to a two year contract based on sheer merit as well as his performances in the present day - then I seriously have to question your morals, your beliefs, your integrity, & your loyalty as a True Blue.

I'm sure there will be plenty of you who will perservere to dismiss him for his age, his wages, or any other contrived convoluted issues that are ultimately arbitrary matters once you're on the pitch - but in that case, I would have to ask you if you are actually being honest with yourself. Because honestly, if you don't want the greatest player to have ever walked out at the Bridge - who still remains one of the very best midfielders in the world today as he has been for an entire decade - to keep pulling on that jersey he loves more than anything every week until his legs simply won't let him anymore - well then you aren't a real Chelsea fan in my eyes.

I'm sure that's a controversial statement to those that oppose it, but from my perspective, claiming that Frank does not deserve the contract that he wants could not be a more vagrant display of either your forgivably poor judgement in footballing terms - or your unforgivable lack of heart as a self-proclaimed supporter of this club.

Frank Lampard is a uneclipsable hero, an undeniable legend - & continues to be the very heart & soul of Chelsea FC. He's the one who recognises exactly what the fans want, & wills every muscle & bone in his body to deliver it, as our increasingly impressive trophy cabinet has proven over the years that he has been here.

In a time where his own club, & outrageous as it may seem, many of his own supporters have decidedly rejected his value as a top class first team player of the highest order - he continues to prove all of his critics wrong as his man of the match performance today has only reinforced.

If you don't agree with what I have said, that's fine. I'm done with having to constantly justify what could not possibly be any clearer to me - & seemingly the majority of the footballing world, Chelsea associated or otherwise.

So if you want to waste your time on a pointless redundant argument - take it up with Lampard's performances on the pitch - because that is a debate that you are destined to lose.

There speaks a Chelsea man who knows what he's saying about another Chelsea man - excellent post sir !!

[super_frank8 186]

Wow, really?

You tell me mate

Obviously it was a snide remark, but when you tag one of those wanker emoticons on the end of a post then I think it's a perfectly reasonable response to that provocation - & it definitely reflects your obvious adhesion to the rather perplexing ideal of having a squad of 'boys' rather than 'men', per say.

In any case, you're simply deflecting as usual instead of actually responding to the point I'm making, so I'm not going to waste more time on entertaining such redundant activities. Tell me that you honestly wouldn't give a two year contract to any of the aforementioned players (Gerrard/Pirlo/Alonso/Xavi) in the rhetoric I posed, then we'll talk.

[The only place to be 11,313]

You tell me mate

Obviously it was a snide remark, but when you tag one of those wanker emoticons on the end of a post then I think it's a perfectly reasonable response to that provocation - & it definitely reflects your obvious adhesion to the rather perplexing ideal of having a squad of 'boys' rather than 'men', per say.

In any case, you're simply deflecting as usual instead of actually responding to the point I'm trying to make, so I'm not going to waste more time on entertaining such redundant activities. Tell me that you honestly wouldn't give a two year contract to any of the aforementioned players (Gerrard/Pirlo/Alonso/Xavi) in the rhetoric I posed, then we'll talk.

Here's a little tip - don't make sick comments like that to fellow Chelsea supporters. In fact don't make comments like that to any football fan because it's not how football supporters should handle themselves.

We disagree over giving a footballer a contract. We disagree over his role in the side. For that you're going to imply that I engage in one of the most disgusting acts possible for a human being??

In all my years supporting Chelsea, drinking with fellow supporters and having a few disagreements and even having some arguments with opposition supporters (that were settled with a pint) I've never seen something so fucking disgusting. Absolutely cretinous behaviour.

[super_frank8 186]

Here's a little tip - don't make sick comments like that to fellow Chelsea supporters. In fact don't make comments like that to any football fan because it's not how football supporters should handle themselves.

We disagree over giving a footballer a contract. We disagree over his role in the side. For that you're going to imply that I engage in one of the most disgusting acts possible for a human being??

In all my years supporting Chelsea, drinking with fellow supporters and having a few disagreements and even having some arguments with opposition supporters (that were settled with a pint) I've never seen something so fucking disgusting. Absolutely cretinous behaviour.

LOL

Well if using a joke with the pretense of suggesting that you are a pedo to make a point of mine regarding your personal beliefs is the most offensive thing you have ever experienced in your life - then you clearly exist in an entirely different world & reality to the one that I do. Which I guess would explain a fair bit...

Nevertheless, right now you just seem desperate to create & escalate this silly mountain-out-of-a-molehill situation in an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that you still have failed to respond to the actual issue at hand that is being discussed in this thread.

Here's a tip: if you have nothing useful or relevant to contribute - then don't post? Might save you from being forced to endure my 'fucking disgusting' 'cretinous behaviour'.

[didierforever 7,349]

LOL

Well if using a joke with the pretense of suggesting that you are a pedo to make a point of mine regarding your personal behaviour is the most offensive thing you have ever experienced in your life - then you clearly exist in an entirely different world & reality to the one that I do. Which I guess would explain a fair bit...

Nevertheless, right now you just seem desperate to create & escalate this silly mountain-out-of-a-molehill situation in an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that you still have failed to respond to the actual issue at hand that is being discussed in this thread.

Here's a tip: if you have nothing useful or relevant to contribute - then don't post? Might save you from being forced to endure my 'fucking disgusting' 'cretinous behaviour'.

its like hitting your head on the wall is not it? happened to me a few days ago too... relax and ignore...

[The only place to be 11,313]

LOL

Well if using a joke with the pretense of suggesting that you are a pedo to make a point of mine regarding your personal beliefs is the most offensive thing you have ever experienced in your life - then you clearly exist in an entirely different world & reality to the one that I do. Which I guess would explain a fair bit...

Nevertheless, right now you just seem desperate to create & escalate this silly mountain-out-of-a-molehill situation in an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that you still have failed to respond to the actual issue at hand that is being discussed in this thread.

Here's a tip: if you have nothing useful or relevant to contribute - then don't post? Might save you from being forced to endure my 'fucking disgusting' 'cretinous behaviour'.

Here's a tip - don't call fellow football fans paedophiles. It's a cunt's thing to do.

[super_frank8 186]

Here's a tip - don't call fellow football fans paedophiles. It's a cunt's thing to do.

So does that mean I'm not a cunt if I call a rugby fan a kiddyfiddler?

Seriously mate, how senile are you exactly? It was a joke, I think that was pretty clear.

I don't see how you could possibly find such offense in that single phrase...unless what I said is actually in fact somewhat true.

In which case please accept my sincerest apologies. What you do behind closed doors is your business. I didn't mean to offend you Mr pedo

[Laylabelle 9,402]

He's on the Calander for October he has to stay lol or be a month spent looking at and being he's gone!!!

[The only place to be 11,313]

I'd like to apologise for my part in that unpleasantness above. Anyone who knows Chelsea and their fans know we aren't the type of scum who throw around such vile insults. So for my part in apparently forcing someone to use something like that, I'm sorry.

Anyway.....

I posted this in another thread and I think it's pertinent to a future without Lamps.

How do you replace a player like Frank Lampard? Simply put, you can't. The man is a striker and a midfielder in one; a player that has revolutionised the attacking midfield position.

Juan Mata is on course for a 25 goal/30 assist season. Statistically that's better than any of Lampard's season and more than 3 times as productive as Lampard's season at the same age.

(Eden Hazard is on course for 30 assists too with 10 goals although I think he'll kick on in the new year).

[The Mak 4,459]

but I guess you have a bit of a penchant for those younguns eh

I didn't mean to offend you Mr pedo

These remarks just confirmed my beliefs about you a few days ago; that you're a cunt to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

That's why I refused to respond to your comment, because I'd know I'd be wasting my time trying to 'discuss' something with someone who is just a Lampard fanatic rather than a Chelsea fan. I've seen the way you write your posts, with shit like:

you seem to have an undeniable vendetta against our legends who not only continue to perform at the level they are expected to, but even surpass it.

claiming that Frank does not deserve the contract that he wants could not be a more vagrant display of either your forgivably poor judgement in footballing terms - or your unforgivable lack of heart as a self-proclaimed supporter of this club.

Just a few examples of many, we may even see more in your response to me.

You leave no room for discussion. You act as if you know better than anyone else. You won't even aknowledge other peoples arguments on a site which is about discussion. News flash; it makes you sound more like a vitriolic Lampard preacher than a Chelsea fan. This is the Lampard thread, yes, but the sit is called TalkChelsea, so fucking sue us if we're trying to look out for the club as a whole.

You wanted to argue with me a few days ago that Lampard shouldn't dare have his wages lowered from 150k a week because it would be some sort of insult. If it were up to you, he'd be on that wage and at the club until he's 40. You argued about Gerrard being on a similar contract, but seriously, who gives a shit? We're not Liverpool, one of the worst run football clubs in the world. We're Chelsea, we don't cling to history, we make it.

So if you believe that me, @The only place to be or anyone else, are terrible fans because we want Lampard's wages to be lowered, only, to make room for players like KDB, Chalobah, Josh etc. on the books, so we can evolve; or because we're looking out for the club as a whole instead of just one player, then ok. We must be the worst fucking Chelsea fans on the planet...but only because you said so.

[skeeo 37]

I posted this in another thread and I think it's pertinent to a future without Lamps.

How do you replace a player like Frank Lampard? Simply put, you can't. The man is a striker and a midfielder in one; a player that has revolutionised the attacking midfield position.

Juan Mata is on course for a 25 goal/30 assist season. Statistically that's better than any of Lampard's season and more than 3 times as productive as Lampard's season at the same age.

(Eden Hazard is on course for 30 assists too with 10 goals although I think he'll kick on in the new year).

Neither 2 are box to box midfielders who will regularly pick up the ball from deep and drive forward. Neither also give you any defensive presence as Lamps can.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Neither 2 are box to box midfielders who will regularly pick up the ball from deep and drive forward. Neither also give you any defensive presence as Lamps can.

True, although we've got the two in the double-pivot/DM positions who contribute to that more now. This is why comparisons with what we had and what we might have are hard because we're changing the way we play. Maybe it'll be a case of us not replacing Lampard will a carbon copy (not that there is one) but sharing out his duties amongst the team.

But purely in terms of goals from midfield, we seem to have something special in Mata.

[super_frank8 186]

I'd like to apologise for my part in that unpleasantness above. Anyone who knows Chelsea and their fans know we aren't the type of scum who throw around such vile insults. So for my part in apparently forcing someone to use something like that, I'm sorry.

Anyway.....

I posted this in another thread and I think it's pertinent to a future without Lamps.

How do you replace a player like Frank Lampard? Simply put, you can't. The man is a striker and a midfielder in one; a player that has revolutionised the attacking midfield position.

Juan Mata is on course for a 25 goal/30 assist season. Statistically that's better than any of Lampard's season and more than 3 times as productive as Lampard's season at the same age.

(Eden Hazard is on course for 30 assists too with 10 goals although I think he'll kick on in the new year).

So not only are you an all-knowing super-fan (+pedo?) - but you can predict the future now too?

Jesus man, you must be a fucking wizard!

In all seriousness though, you still haven't responded to my post on the other page apart from dragging out this incessant whining about a joke you took genuine offense to for some odd reason...

But anyway, just because Mata has been scoring some absolutely brilliant goals & providing plenty of assists & thus 'replaced' Lampard in that department - & yes he may actually go on to do exactly what you have philosophised & bag 25 goals/countless assists come May - it doesn't mean he has replaced Lampard as a player whatsoever.

Surely you do realise how vastly different they are in terms of position, style, & strengths? & they really don't even warrant a comparison based on the mere fact that Mata is an extremely left footed 5 ft 7 player whereas Lampard is over 6 ft & almost ambidextrous at times. They are just a completely different breed & operate in different areas on the pitch, there is no way that they could possibly actually replace one another.

If you want a genuine comparison, then Mata is similar to what Robben was for us, minus the pace & with a more inventive footballing mind, & equivalently Hazard minus the strength & balance but with better ball retention. Whilst Lampard...well there is no geuine valid comparison to Lampard. He is a once in a lifetime player, & it will be a long time before we see anyone wear & perform in a Chelsea shirt the way that he has.

& do you not realise how wonderful some of the link up play between them is at times? The best goal we scored against Villa took the unreal vision, precision & delicacy that Mata possesses & few others do - & no one else in the world would have been able to not only have the composure to control such an ambitious ball & conceive the idea of the shot, but to also execute a finish as potent & exquisite as Lampard's was. That goal was pure class due to both of their parts in it.

Having players like them who can provide both goals & assists from anywhere in & around the box is simply invaluable to this team & any other. So it baffles me as to why you aren't arguing for them as a cohesive unit & deadly combination of creative providers & finishers - as opposed to pitting them against one another in your blatant attempts at belittling Lamps as a a player. But I guess I've come to expect as much from you by now...

[super_frank8 186]

These remarks just confirmed my beliefs about you a few days ago; that you're a cunt to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Okay, so you clearly want to continue with this ridiculous charade as well. For anyone else who actually read my posts properly, I think it was pretty obvious that these supposed 'accusations of paedophillia' were merely tongue-in-cheek cheap shots utilised to get my point across in a slightly more provocative manner - which I deem perfectly appropriate considering the animosity previously evident between myself & Mr Pedobear.

I fail to see how that makes me a justifiable cunt, but clearly some of us on here are more sensitive & inclined to be politically-correct about these matters than others. I'm not going to pretend I'm one of them just to gain the approval of yourself or anyone else...

That's why I refused to respond to your comment, because I'd know I'd be wasting my time trying to 'discuss' something with someone who is just a Lampard fanatic rather than a Chelsea fan. I've seen the way you write your posts, with shit like:

Just a few examples of many, we may even see more in your response to me.

You leave no room for discussion. You act as if you know better than anyone else. You won't even aknowledge other peoples arguments on a site which is about discussion. News flash; it makes you sound more like a vitriolic Lampard preacher than a Chelsea fan. This is the Lampard thread, yes, but the sit is called TalkChelsea, so fucking sue us if we're trying to look out for the club as a whole.

You wanted to argue with me a few days ago that Lampard shouldn't dare have his wages lowered from 150k a week because it would be some sort of insult. If it were up to you, he'd be on that wage and at the club until he's 40. You argued about Gerrard being on a similar contract, but seriously, who gives a shit? We're not Liverpool, one of the worst run football clubs in the world. We're Chelsea, we don't cling to history, we make it.

So if you believe that me, @The only place to be or anyone else, are terrible fans because we want Lampard's wages to be lowered, only, to make room for players like KDB, Chalobah, Josh etc. on the books, so we can evolve; or because we're looking out for the club as a whole instead of just one player, then ok. We must be the worst fucking Chelsea fans on the planet...but only because you said so.

What the fuck are you talking about? I left plenty of room for discussion - it's just that 'the only place to be' decided not to bother responding to it, as per usual, & completely deflect from the actual point I was making, as per usual.

So you have a problem with the fact that I am more than willing to respond to anything posted that just so happens to contradict my own beliefs involving the current issue that we are discussing within this thread? I'm pretty sure that's called having an opinion. I didn't say anywhere that you have agree with it, but I'm going to make it fully known to you of what I disagree with about your own views if you're going to do the same with me just as willingly. That's how discussion/arguing/debating/whatever you want to call it works - & that is what we are doing here in reality since there are two clearly divided sides in relation to this issue.

You say that I 'act as if I know better than anyone else' - well I'm pretty sure that's exactly what 'the only place to be' has been doing the entire time he has been on this site. & with some of the things that are being said by himself, yourself & others about Frank as a player - I am inclined to say that I do know better when it comes to this situation since you are evidently not seeing things as clearly as they are being displayed on the football pitch.

& yes, I am taking up the role of being a 'vitriolic Lampard preacher' - because he is a player that I hold very close to my heart, as I believe every true Chelsea fan does - & therefore I am going to be fully honest & 'Frank' about all of my feelings when it comes to discussing him. I'm more than willing to respond to anything derogatory towards him as a player that I simply don't believe is true - & I'm damn well going to put all of my heart & my head into those responses if I so please.

At no point did I go & say 'I'm not going to support this club anymore if he doesn't get a new contract', if that were the case then yes I could understand you saying that I'm supporting a player rather than the club. But that is not the case whatsoever, & from my perspective, everything I am saying is in fact conducive to what's best for this club, so there's no point in trying to drag me down a road that I'm not even on...

Look, the fact is that as far as I am concerned - what is in the best interests of the club in my mind, at this current moment in time. regarding this current situation & issue - would be to give Frank the contract that he deserves, because of the player that he has been, the player he still is today & the player he will seemingly continue to be for the immediate future (i.e. 1-2 seasons).

& you disagree with that, because your opinion differs & you don't rate him in the same way that myself & most true Chelsea fans do. That is what I have an issue with, & therefore I am always going to respond to such claims that seem to be conjured from an origin of idealism, rather than realism.

You keep on trying to argue with me about the player that he is - but I'm not going to continue doing so because we are just going to go around in circles - the stats & his performances on the pitch don't lie mate, & if you choose not see that, then I can't save you from your own ignorance as I have already said.

& what do you mean who gives a shit about Gerrard? Do you honestly think he's past it too & not worth his wages? Because you lose any kind of credibility in football terms if that is what you believe. I may depise Liverpool & dismiss the vast majority of their team as overrated pieces of scouse scum - but I certainly still rate Gerrard right up there among the best in the world. & he is a realistic comparison to Lampard, because he is of similar age & ability & they both have the same effect on the team they play for - they both score goals, create goals, & single-handedly win games due to their performances & are both two of the best around in their positions. They are both simply indispensible to their clubs & anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Therefore, seeing as Gerrard is being rewarded for his loyalty & his performances with a new contract along the same terms of his previous one - I don't see any plausible reason as to why Chelsea should not do exactly the same for Lampard - especially since he is a superior player & is far less injury-prone, despite being two years older.

& I'm sorry, please do correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you actually have any experience in running a football club, & certainly not this club, so you don't know what the breakdown of our finances actually is in reality - & thus you have no real idea of how a single player's wages affect anything in terms of the club's overall business ambitions & restrictions.

You also still fail to take into account what the merchandise-generated profit that Lampard's name alone sells is worth. He sells more shirts every season than any other Chelsea player, & that is certainly not something to be overlooked if you are going to bring the business aspect of this argument to the fore.

If you're actually going to claim that the club can't afford to keep those kind of wages on the bankroll with the FFP regulations in mind, then you need to wake the fuck up & realise that Fernando Torres is on 175K+ per week, & hasn't justified it whatsoever in his time here thus far (& that's not even taking into account the extortionate transfer fee). So if you're going to talk shit about overpaid players not deserving their wages & consuming funds unnecessarily, then feel free to do so in the Torres thread or elsewhere - but Frank has earned every fucking bit of his pay in what he has given to this club & what he continues to do for it - so that argument is really just contrived bullshit at best.

You do realise that we are going to continue spending absurd amounts of money in the next few seasons regardless right? So Lampard's wages contribute to a miniscule fraction of that kind of expenditure in all reality.

In any case, success on the pitch earns us more cold hard cash than anything else, so success should be the immediate goal unless you are already anticipating the absence of it - in which case I don't know why I am wasting time with this post to address your idiocy. In order to continue our success in the coming seasons as the team does continue to evolve - it would most definitely be in the best interests of the club to keep one of their best players for the immediate future while he still has it in him to perform at the highest level & keep this team in contention for trophies.

Do you not agree?

& yer honestly, if he's going to be have the same ability & fitness as he does right now until he's 40, then too fucking right he would be on that wage if it was up to me. But as naturally fit as Frank is, I don't expect that is going to happen, he is eventually going to go into decline as his legs tire & the injuries come more often than they go - but I would imagine by then, it would be 2-3 seasons from now & we will already have a few more promising signings along with our new era of KDB, McEachran etc. starting to hit their peak & being introduced into a team that has already had some success together & will provide the solid foundations necessary to truly reign in the revolution.

& that is the real flaw in your argument here - you claim that you want evolution, which of course we all do in the long term - but really what you seem to desire at the moment is immediate revolution. & I disagree with this completely because if you really think that all of those players are simply going to mature overnight & walk into a Chelsea first team that is only just beginning to once again find it's feet with Lampard back from injury & at the heart of it - whilst I admire your optimism - I think you have to realise that rushing into such a hasty transition is only ever going to result in disruption & disrepute within our team & our club. & that will most definitely not result in the success that we crave & need more than anything.

[Spike 12,049]

You guys are no longer debating; just bickering over semantics.

I've seen and written some shit on this site before, but this is ridiculous.

The point is, Lamps is my favourite of all time but he has to retire one day. I don't want him to leave just yet, I think he has a couple more great years left in him, but saying that the club needs to prepare for life without him, because he can't be around forever; no one can. The sooner the clubs prepares for his eventual retirement/leaving the better, because it will be less of a shock to the club. Same goes for JT.

[Tomo 21,735]

To think some fans resorted to stripping his legend status after the dismissal of AVB.

After realizing Lampard wasn't the villian some assumed, you would have thought lesson's would have been learnt the next time we changed manager's.