🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I would only sack him when a good enough coach is available. Note 'good enough' doesn't mean 'the right one'. If top 4 looks in danger in another month or so its time to look for a new coach. The problem is there's few standout options.

Poch is the only one jumping out at me. I dont rate Jody Morris but would like Anthony Barry to stay. Maybe in the Steve Holland role

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[Jase 43,479]

Lampard is currently at 7/2 to be sacked, according to the bookies, but there's been nothing from the media to suggest his job is really on the line or that he is on the brink. 

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I just saw his post match interview, what is he thinking? Reporter asks " so was this the response you wanted after the Ars game " Lamps says I couldnt ask for more from my players. WTF are you mental Lamps? Has your standard fallen so much? Sorry thats not good enough by half.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

On 28/12/2020 at 11:11 AM, DDA said:

And contrary to most on here who reject the idea of Simione, I think he would be great to have here. His passion and drive would ensure we never see performances like the one we had to endure the other day.

 

Appoint him and i'll leave like a shot out of a gun, after 60 odd years of supporting us/them.

I'll fuck off to my Souff London club Millwall

There's no way would i suffer him and his 6-4-0 formation

If there's one manager not suited to Chelsea then it's Simione.

[killer1257 3,282]

I just saw his post match interview, what is he thinking? Reporter asks " so was this the response you wanted after the Ars game " Lamps says I couldnt ask for more from my players? WTF are you mental Lamps? Has your standard fallen so much? Sorry thats not good enough by half.

To be fair, he slaughtered our players 2 days ago and after zero training, we were definitely better than against Arsenal, even though it was not much better. If he started to slaughter our players again, he would lose the dressing room. He knows most of his players are tired and low on confidence. Does not need to make it worse

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14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

To be fair, he slaughtered our players 2 days ago and after zero training, we were definitely better than against Arsenal, even though it was not much better. If he started to slaughter our players again, he would lose the dressing room. He knows most of his players are tired and low on confidence. Does not need to make it worse

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Just come out and say it like it is, sure we were a bit better but considering how trashy we were vs Ars then its not much consolation. It was not the response required at all. Every team are tired Killer, yet they put in the shift.

[killer1257 3,282]

Just come out and say it like it is, sure we were a bit better but considering how trashy we were vs Ars then its not much consolation. It was not the response required at all. Every team are tired Killer, yet they put in the shift.

There is a difference because we played on saturday and then on monday. This is insane and this means zero time for real preparation.

And I also think Lampard needs the dressing room behind him. Slaughtering everyone like Mourinho does will only give a toxic environment to the team. Lampard knows that he can't afford to lose the dressing room. This was also a mixed team. AC, Toni, CHO, Giroud and Azpi are non starters for instance.

It was not the response we needed, but Lampard destroying the players in front of the media again against an in form Villa is not the way to go bro

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[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

Given that City and Morecambe will be likely suspended, I'd be telling Lampard that against Fulham, Leicester, Wolves, and Burnley, his points total should be at the minimum 10. Failure to get 10 points, I'd sack him. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

That's not going to happen.

He's has zero excuses then. Everyone will be fit. 

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21 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Given that City and Morecambe will be likely suspended, I'd be telling Lampard that against Fulham, Leicester, Wolves, and Burnley, his points total should be at the minimum 10. Failure to get 10 points, I'd sack him. 

If we are going to sack Lampard, now might be the perfect to do it because if those 2 games get postponed, then whoever comes in will have 17 days (IIRC) to work with the players until our trip to Fulham. Otherwise, he won't have many days at all to work with the players. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

If we are going to sack Lampard, now might be the perfect to do it because if those 2 games get postponed, then whoever comes in will have 17 days (IIRC) to work with the players until our trip to Fulham. Otherwise, he won't have many days at all to work with the players. 

But who though? Who's available?

Do we go interim or take the risk on Tuchel, who I admit is a bit of a gamble but I reckon he could work wonders with this current team. 

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

But who though? Who's available?

Do we go interim or take the risk on Tuchel, who I admit is a bit of a gamble but I reckon he could work wonders with this current team. 

Hire tuchel as interim at first , if he agrees to that 

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

But who though? Who's available?

Do we go interim or take the risk on Tuchel, who I admit is a bit of a gamble but I reckon he could work wonders with this current team. 

Honestly, I have no freaking clue anymore. 

Tuchel looks suitable because of his style of play but am not convinced at all due to his character and his tactical decisions.

Allegri is fine by me, if only because he is tactically savvy and doesn't seem like a combustible character or close it, but don't think his style of play is suited to this team.

Would be okay with Pochettino because he does seem to tick all the boxes but he's going to PSG.

Otherwise, all the choices like Nagelsmann and Hasenhuttl are at a club right now and I don't think they will leave midway through the season.

Never mind the results, Lampard is really making it tough to feel even confident that he will turn things around given he doesn't seem to have a clue of how to utilize the players properly and he is making us play like an expensive version of Burnley.

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50 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

There is a difference because we played on saturday and then on monday. This is insane and this means zero time for real preparation.

And I also think Lampard needs the dressing room behind him. Slaughtering everyone like Mourinho does will only give a toxic environment to the team. Lampard knows that he can't afford to lose the dressing room. This was also a mixed team. AC, Toni, CHO, Giroud and Azpi are non starters for instance.

It was not the response we needed, but Lampard destroying the players in front of the media again against an in form Villa is not the way to go bro

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You can prepare in advance, I dont see why Zouma couldnt play, Kova the same. Yes he cant demoralise the team I agree, but he doesnt have to sugarcoat it either.

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Speaking of Hasenhuttl...

 

[Superblue 6,372]

27 minutes ago, Jason said:

If we are going to sack Lampard, now might be the perfect to do it because if those 2 games get postponed, then whoever comes in will have 17 days (IIRC) to work with the players until our trip to Fulham. Otherwise, he won't have many days at all to work with the players. 

On the flip side, it could be Lampard's saving grace having a couple of weeks to properly work on the tactical aspect of this team. I think it is easy to just throw up that £200m was spent this summer and all the players should be able to perform and gel immediately. The lack of pre season this summer gone has probably hurt us more than most due to the high turnover of players. Not having that pre season, and then having little time to work tactically on the team due to playing pretty much solidly 3 times a week since the start of the season makes things far more difficult. 

Assuming the City and Morecambe games are off now, Lampard has the opportunity to not just turn this season around but start stamping a more long term blueprint on this side. If the results and performances don't pick up following that, then his position could be reaching untenable levels.

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

On the flip side, it could be Lampard's saving grace having a couple of weeks to properly work on the tactical aspect of this team. I think it is easy to just throw up that £200m was spent this summer and all the players should be able to perform and gel immediately.

Seriously had it with this argument.

Ziyech and Werner trained with the squad since late July. 

Chilwell is PL proven. 

Silva is experienced beyond years. 

Mendy is a GK

Havertz is the only exception however he's only played in his strongest position TWICE all season. 

You don't spend this much money on players without having a plan on how to utilise them all effectively. What we have seen so far is mismanagement of our most expensive assets. That screams inexperience. 

 

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1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Seriously had it with this argument.

Ziyech and Werner trained with the squad since late July. 

Chilwell is PL proven. 

Silva is experienced beyond years. 

Mendy is a GK

Havertz is the only exception however he's only played in his strongest position TWICE all season. 

You don't spend this much money on players without having a plan on how to utilise them all effectively. What we have seen so far is mismanagement of our most expensive assets. That screams inexperience. 

 

It doesn't really matter where they are being brought from, everybody still has to get used to playing with one another.  Ziyech and Werner came and trained a bit but they were hardly going to be worked into tactical plans during that time when they weren't eligible to play. 

The point is it's far more difficult to get patterns of play worked on when we play a game, day after will be recovering, then one day to work on opposition tactics before the next game. 

Lampard may still not be capable of this even with an opportunity to do so. The games from Everton onwards have been a huge worry.

[killer1257 3,282]

Seriously had it with this argument.
Ziyech and Werner trained with the squad since late July. 
Chilwell is PL proven. 
Silva is experienced beyond years. 
Mendy is a GK
Havertz is the only exception however he's only played in his strongest position TWICE all season. 
You don't spend this much money on players without having a plan on how to utilise them all effectively. What we have seen so far is mismanagement of our most expensive assets. That screams inexperience. 
 

We have never lost with Ziyech and he and Billy/Bate are our only creative players currently. Even if we sack Lampard, we will lack creativity because our squad does not offer it. I would go as far saying that Thiago Silva is the second most creative player in the regular starting 11 after Ziyech.

There is a reason why Pep always buys world class creative talents or players. Because he wants to emulate prime Barcelona and their insane creativity

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18 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

We have never lost with Ziyech and he and Billy/Bate are our only creative players currently. Even if we sack Lampard, we will lack creativity because our squad does not offer it. I would go as far saying that Thiago Silva is the second most creative player in the regular starting 11 after Ziyech.

There is a reason why Pep always buys world class creative talents or players. Because he wants to emulate prime Barcelona and their insane creativity

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So you're telling me we can't beat a depleted Wolves, Everton, Arsenal and Villa side without Ziyech? 

Honestly, I'm done. Keep justifying Lampard's position with utter dross like that as your reasoning. See how far that gets you.