🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

16 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

No. But they were expected to be in the top 7 and Europa league hunt, rigjt? Or is that taking the piss too? Arsenal and spurs had a very bad campaign, but that on them. In 15/16, you can't say, a manager had a successful season because he "finished above chelsea". 

If you go back again and read properly what I wrote, wolves finished exactly where people expected them to. We did not. We were not supposed to be in top 6, maybe even top 8 by the expextations of our own fans. Get it?

Also, where did I mention "wolves fucked up". Why are you putting words in my mouth. 

As for Europa, never understood the hype between Thursday and Sunday. Well it's also Wednesday and Saturday for CL clubs or sunday and tuesday. Every club playing CL/EL face this issue. 

 

How long have you followed football since Pulisic signed for Chelsea ?. Promoted clubs can have a first good season and then struggle in their second they haven't and no one was expecting them to do as well as the first season they were promoted (although I doubt you knew this with you're season long interest in soccer as no doubt you called it up until recently), Anyone who didn't think Chelsea wouldn't finish in the top six is being disingenuous it's too easy to say I'll be happy with a top ten finish it was utter bollocks and just an insincere soundbite.

Point is lamps' acheivement of top4 is ridiculed by saying, "rest of the teams fucked up", should not the same apply for wolves?

That's what you posted I haven't put words into your mouth. It's not hype at all mate you travel to somewhere like Russia get back to on a Friday morning to then have to play at lunchtime on a Sunday lunchtime at  Newcastle and clubs like Wolves have far smaller squads then teams in the Champions League.Their season started on July 25th and will be still going on Monday if that's not an achievement I don't know what is.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/08/06/3-reasons-wolves-deserve-more-credit-for-impressive-2019-20-season/

 

[Puliiszola 519]

15 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

How long have you followed football since Pulisic signed for Chelsea ?. Promoted clubs can have a first good season and then struggle in their second they haven't and no one was expecting them to do as well as the first season they were promoted (although I doubt you knew this with you're season long interest in soccer as no doubt you called it up until recently), Anyone who didn't think Chelsea wouldn't finish in the top six is being disingenuous it's too easy to say I'll be happy with a top ten finish it was utter bollocks and just an insincere soundbite.

Point is lamps' acheivement of top4 is ridiculed by saying, "rest of the teams fucked up", should not the same apply for wolves?

That's what you posted I haven't put words into your mouth. It's not hype at all mate you travel to somewhere like Russia get back to on a Friday morning to then have to play at lunchtime on a Sunday lunchtime at  Newcastle and clubs like Wolves have far smaller squads then teams in the Champions League.Their season started on July 25th and will be still going on Monday if that's not an achievement I don't know what is.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/08/06/3-reasons-wolves-deserve-more-credit-for-impressive-2019-20-season/

 

I have been following Chelsea since ballack. And what the hell has that got to do with anything? Wolves was no ordinary, "just came back up from championship team to go down to championship" club. They went for some quality players and got them. Generalizing wolves just because Norwich went back down or some other club did not perform well in 2nd season is bullshit.

Taking digs at my soccer knowledge is weird and indicative of bullish behaviour but what can one expect of an asinine person as yourself, who just can't take to be questioned probably "because I am a brit". 

"Anyone who didn't think Chelsea wouldn't finish in the top six is being disingenuous it's too easy to say I'll be happy with a top ten finish it was utter bollocks and just an insincere soundbite"

Go back to this thread and read some of the comments. Go and check out the too 6 predictions by pundits who surely "hav had more interest in football" right. Oh well, talking about facts does not seem to be the norm with you though, is it?

"Point is lamps' acheivement of top4 is ridiculed by saying, "rest of the teams fucked up", should not the same apply for wolves?"

cant you understand English? Or has your immense footballing knowledge muddied your basic cognitive skills? If lamps' acheivement of top4 is shot down by saying arsenal and spurs had a bad season, should not the same logic apply to wolves. That their 7th place finish was just a result of other teams fucking up. Understand now? 

An acheivement to be playing next Monday? Which included a 3 month break? That's a weird acheivement but I am sure long standing football fans like yourselves must have some other inhumanly criteria and measurements of "acheivements". I mean by the same logic OLE should be manager of the season, discounting the fact about the millions he spent to barelt qualify in top4. As for travelling, surely must be such a pain in the ass to travel business clas with all the leisures, stay in 5 star hotels, acheive what you wree expected to and then somehow become "one of the best managers of the season". Lol

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

13 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

cant you understand English?

Yes and I even know how to spell achievement mate. Try travelling anywhere as a fan (ha ha ) on a Chelsea away trip and have a few beers don't get pissed (not the septic tank version of the word pissed) fly home and then travel 200 miles a couple of days later and go to work. Just because their athletes and will be flying in luxury planes doesn't mean it doesn't tax you physically and mentally. Of course they've had a break since CV but to start pre-season before everyone else and still be playing Monday is a massive achievement (I before E )

[Puliiszola 519]

15 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Yes and I even know how to spell achievement mate. Try travelling anywhere as a fan (ha ha ) on a Chelsea away trip and have a few beers don't get pissed (not the septic tank version of the word pissed) fly home and then travel 200 miles a couple of days later and go to work. Just because their athletes and will be flying in luxury planes doesn't mean it doesn't tax you physically and mentally. Of course they've had a break since CV but to start pre-season before everyone else and still be playing Monday is a massive achievement (I before E )

Oh wow. Got me where it hurts. Spellings. Damn!!! Unfortunately spellings can't help people in comprehending a paragraph as was evident.

So you are saying you have had to travel on a Friday night to your hometown, spending time with your family over the weekend and then back to your work city in the wee hours of Monday morning and go to office? Well I have had to deal with a few of such consignments, can't say it's a deal breaker or that I should have got "employee of the year" due to that. 

Well your bar/benchmark of "acheivement" seems to quite low. 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

17 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Oh wow. Got me where it hurts. Spellings. Damn!!! Unfortunately spellings can't help people in comprehending a paragraph as was evident.

So you are saying you have had to travel on a Friday night to your hometown, spending time with your family over the weekend and then back to your work city in the wee hours of Monday morning and go to office? Well I have had to deal with a few of such consignments, can't say it's a deal breaker or that I should have got "employee of the year" due to that. 

Well your bar/benchmark of "acheivement" seems to quite low. 

But asking an Englishman if he understands English is setting the benchmark of course and you still didn't even spell achievement  right. I don't know how to put it into a context you'd understand stupid of me to think you'd ever travel to see your team play carrying your laptop from the kitchen to the bedroom is about you're limit. Interesting that a team you profess to support for 16 years you only join a forum when we buy an American player.

Anyway mate I'm getting ready to go to the pub to see if we can claw back this 3-0 what about you are you going to watch the soccer with some corn dogs and grits yee ha 

[Puliiszola 519]

2 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

But asking an Englishman if he understands English is setting the benchmark of course and you still didn't even spell achievement  right. I don't know how to put it into a context you'd understand stupid of me to think you'd ever travel to see your team play carrying your laptop from the kitchen to the bedroom is about you're limit. Interesting that a team you profess to support for 16 years you only join a forum when we buy an American player.

Anyway mate I'm getting ready to go to the pub to see if we can claw back this 3-0 what about you are you going to watch the soccer with some corn dogs and grits yee ha 

Only if going to watch a game actually gave you a decent understanding of the game. Does not look like that happens. Sad to see when someone goes down the "I go to watch a game route", not a good look. Smacks of desperation as barely have a point to make.

So joining a forum is a compulsory measure of being a fan? Well, you are a true fan. Go to shedend, you will find me there, unfortunately has become so hopelessly negative. Don't worry, got a lot of people like you who have 0 knowledge and points other than "I go to games".

"But asking an Englishman if he understands English is setting the benchmark of course and you still didn't even spell achievement  right"

If the Englishman can't understand basic English, then sure, I will. Are you still confused if I said tht wolves screwed up?

[Atomiswave 6,117]

The credit Wolves get is warranted, they are consistent and a pain to deal with. Nuno is an astute manager for sure. Yes the league this season was shit, yes spurs and arsenal etc were below standards but I take nothing away from them. SU as well done very well must be said. We all know Klopp will get it anyway.

[Puliiszola 519]

18 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

The credit Wolves get is warranted, they are consistent and a pain to deal with. Nuno is an astute manager for sure. Yes the league this season was shit, yes spurs and arsenal etc were below standards but I take nothing away from them. SU as well done very well must be said. We all know Klopp will get it anyway.

Obviously, they are a solid team. But just don't think nuno warranted a nomination ahead of klopp, Rodgers, FL or wilder for the current season

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 hour ago, Puliiszola said:

Obviously, they are a solid team. But just don't think nuno warranted a nomination ahead of klopp, Rodgers, FL or wilder for the current season

I dont take these awards seriously anyway, its horse shit. Just like their poty and toty and all that. The question is could Nuno do what FL did this season if he had our squad?

[Jase 43,479]

Will love to be proven wrong but I have no hope Lampard will sort out our defensive problems next season, regardless of whether we sign new defenders or not.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

17 minutes ago, Jason said:

Will love to be proven wrong but I have no hope Lampard will sort out our defensive problems next season, regardless of whether we sign new defenders or not.

If not gana be another long ole season...

[kellzfresh 7,229]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

Will love to be proven wrong but I have no hope Lampard will sort out our defensive problems next season, regardless of whether we sign new defenders or not.

Its only a defensive coach that can sort that out. The number of times attackers get the ball infront of our defense, 1 on 1 with them is scary (Salah, Aubameyang, and now Muller/Lewandoski all getting 1 on 1s with our centerbacks at will). I said before that even if we sign Ramos in this our defensive system, he'll get sent of multiple times with his aggressive style of defending.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

The question is what will people consider as our defensive problems solved. I am sure we will concede at least 10-15 goals less in all comps due to better  offensive output taking pressure off the D. I cant ever see us become a defensively solid side under Lamps simply because that is not his style. If we want to be a side that concedes 20 goals per season, we have to hire a different manager. but we all know how defensively minded managers turn out here. I wouldnt mind tho. I always like the sit back and counter hard approach. I think we have managed it a couple of times this season like vs ManCity.But that is not hte footy Roman wants to see. We knew Lamps defenses are wild when we hired him.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

The question is what will people consider as our defensive problems solved. I am sure we will concede at least 10-15 goals less in all comps due to better  offensive output taking pressure off the D. I cant ever see us become a defensively solid side under Lamps simply because that is not his style. If we want to be a side that concedes 20 goals per season, we have to hire a different manager. but we all know how defensively minded managers turn out here. I wouldnt mind tho. I always like the sit back and counter hard approach. I think we have managed it a couple of times this season like vs ManCity.But that is not hte footy Roman wants to see. We knew Lamps defenses are wild when we hired him.

If Lampard is not able make his sides defensively solid or at least defensively competent, then he is not going to achieve anything in his career, never mind here. If he can't sort it out himself, then get a defensive coach!

IMO, I want to see us defend properly, defend with nous and competency and I don't mean it has to be defensive or pragmatic but defend with good organization like we did under Conte/Mourinho. That our defenders aren't great and need to be upgraded is well documented but I don't believe for one second that they could haven't been coached or drilled better defensively this season. So many of these players played under Sarri last season, for example, and we conceded less goals. Some times, I can't help but wonder if we don't do much defensive work in training at all under Lampard and that the players are just left to their own devices for matches. We some times don't mark players, we some times leave spaces unmarked for players to attack, we some times don't close down spaces etc. PLUS more often than not, whenever we have the ball, pretty much everyone bar the 2 CBs get ahead of the ball with little regard of counter attacks when we lose the ball, which happens a lot and this comes from how the manager sets the team up. It's little wonder why our matches have tended to be like basketball games, why we have conceded so many goals from counter attacks this season, why we have always looked so exposed etc. We won't get anywhere if this continues next season. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

I want teams to take corners without thinking shit here we go...

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I disagree with that, with the backing he's got there absolutely has to be an upward trajectory, 75-85 points plus a strong CL showing (go out kicking and screaming).
However winning the title is still a season too early (we will be getting in 5/6 new players asking them to immediately gel and match City/Pool's consistentcy level immediately is unrealistic), in many ways a slowish start will be better for us so to manage fan expectations, the run we had in the autumn last year led to fans getting ideas above the squad's capability (likewise with Sarri's start) and in my opinion contributed to the toxicity when the inevitable growing pains arrived.

You think he'll be sacked if we get less than 75 points?

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[Vesper 30,177]

Just now, Supermonkey92 said:

You think he'll be sacked if we get less than 75 points?

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I cannot make that call without seeing our transfer moves

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Will love to be proven wrong but I have no hope Lampard will sort out our defensive problems next season, regardless of whether we sign new defenders or not.

Exactly. Its more than a personel issue (though better defenders Will obviously help).

If we upgrade half the defence we will concede less because Frank will be relying on better players rather than coaching the 10 outfield players to defend better as a team

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[SUNZ 155]

One of the worst managers we have ever had.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I cannot make that call without seeing our transfer moves

Id be surprised. Stars would have to align for a great manager to be available.



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