🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

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15 hours ago, Tomo said:

Actions speak louder than words, if he really loved us he would have got his head down done what he was paid for and got us CL football. In January we were second, we only had to have average results from then on to make CL, but he hit self destruct and we miss out (which also indirectly started Liverpool's current dominance).

Sarri won't ever be my idol but the season he had with this squad while trying to change our football was as good as anything that could have been realistically expected, he didn't do any better because he couldn't do much if any better under the circumstances, I can accept that, but I will never accept what Conte did in those last six months, especially at City, because it was so preventable.

Again he is very emotional character, he got it up the arse by the board and just lost it after Jan, still not good on his part yes. Sarri could do better with that squad, Conte would have done much better than him that season. We played some horrific shit....and that 6-0 lost to city felt way worse than what Conte did at city for me.

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29 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I agree he did sulk too much but thats beacuse he felt way let down, he is a passionate man, emotional, he gives his all and expects the board to support him, I think he would have been content if we just had given him 2 of HIS players. And you want him to use a kid Tammy and James in 17-18 season? Nahh would never have worked, cant see it mate, we were freaking title winners by rocking the League. And somehow I doubt we would have given him Auba, I doubt it. Yup didnt cover himself in glory, he sure didnt, but will go down as one of the best we will ever have.

He brought Morata when he was originally at Juventus so was obviously a player he liked. Rudiger and Zappacosta both came from Italy so I'm sure Conte was happy to sign off on the deals (the Zappacosta one came out of the blue late in the window and was almost certainly a Conte recommendation). And not sure whether Bakayoko was his choice or not, but he certainly played him more than enough to suggest that he liked him despite consistently abysmal performances.

Maybe some of these weren't his first choice players but sometimes that's not possible. The fact is that he made references that summer to the squad being too small to play in Europe and the squad was bulked up. We went quantity over quality and it pushed us back a couple of years to the point where besides Rudiger, we're trying to offload the rest of them.

It still doesn't justify (1) how he dealt with Diego Costa, and (2) how he sulked his way through the second half of the season. He was practically begging to be sacked for the pay off. 

Loved his first season, but his second season definitely soured what I think of him.

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24 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

He brought Morata when he was originally at Juventus so was obviously a player he liked. Rudiger and Zappacosta both came from Italy so I'm sure Conte was happy to sign off on the deals (the Zappacosta one came out of the blue late in the window and was almost certainly a Conte recommendation). And not sure whether Bakayoko was his choice or not, but he certainly played him more than enough to suggest that he liked him despite consistently abysmal performances.

Maybe some of these weren't his first choice players but sometimes that's not possible. The fact is that he made references that summer to the squad being too small to play in Europe and the squad was bulked up. We went quantity over quality and it pushed us back a couple of years to the point where besides Rudiger, we're trying to offload the rest of them.

It still doesn't justify (1) how he dealt with Diego Costa, and (2) how he sulked his way through the second half of the season. He was practically begging to be sacked for the pay off. 

Loved his first season, but his second season definitely soured what I think of him.

He wanted Lukaku, I doubt Zapa was his ideal player, too many average and panic buys and as you said we went quantity rather than quality, big mistake. I loved Costa as a Chels, but went cunt mode and Conte had enough. He wants warriors, players that are committed, he grew tired of him, as many fans grew tired of Conte.

Conte found out this board lacks the know how to truely keep the standard going, he knew he would get fuck again had he stayed. Doesnt excuse him down tooling though. I feel he was the one to make us feared again, shame it didnt work out.

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

He wanted Lukaku, I doubt Zapa was his ideal player, too many average and panic buys and as you said we went quantity rather than quality, big mistake. I loved Costa as a Chels, but went cunt mode and Conte had enough. He wants warriors, players that are committed, he grew tired of him, as many fans grew tired of Conte.

Conte found out this board lacks the know how to truely keep the standard going, he knew he would get fuck again had he stayed. Doesnt excuse him down tooling though. I feel he was the one to make us feared again, shame it didnt work out.

Conte's problem was the inability to compromise with the board. I know our board aren't the easiest to deal with at times and from the face of things at least look to ensure that managers at the club don't gain too much power and control. However Conte should have been prepared to use a couple of the younger players to fill squad needs and therefore giving more funds to spend to go for higher quality talents. The biggest question mark was that he had a 21 year old RLC around the squad in his first season, I still cannot fathom why he wasn't willing to integrate him in and not buy Drinkwater. 

I hope that Lampard is willing to compromise with the board because if he isn't it is only going to go in one direction whether we want it to or not. He has done the hardest part in integrating young players on mass this season. How these players develop over the next couple of years will be interesting and exciting to watch but at the very least all of them are capable of being squad players at worse for the club and it should have opened the doors for more academy starlets to follow suit. This eliminates the need for quantity and the board and manager together have to ensure it's all about quality being brought in this summer.

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33 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Conte's problem was the inability to compromise with the board. I know our board aren't the easiest to deal with at times and from the face of things at least look to ensure that managers at the club don't gain too much power and control. However Conte should have been prepared to use a couple of the younger players to fill squad needs and therefore giving more funds to spend to go for higher quality talents. The biggest question mark was that he had a 21 year old RLC around the squad in his first season, I still cannot fathom why he wasn't willing to integrate him in and not buy Drinkwater. 

I hope that Lampard is willing to compromise with the board because if he isn't it is only going to go in one direction whether we want it to or not. He has done the hardest part in integrating young players on mass this season. How these players develop over the next couple of years will be interesting and exciting to watch but at the very least all of them are capable of being squad players at worse for the club and it should have opened the doors for more academy starlets to follow suit. This eliminates the need for quantity and the board and manager together have to ensure it's all about quality being brought in this summer.

Ohh yeah if it comes to fruition then its all dandy, but there are no guarantees. Lets see how much FL is willing to compromise, not that much it looks like given his recent press interviews. He knows this squad is no where near good enough, heres hoping he can get HIS players and not some dumped on him for ridiculous amounts.

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5 hours ago, Jason said:

If last weekend's starting XI at Leicester is any indication, Lampard's patience with Willian's lack of offensive output might soon run out.

Funny how every manager in the end realised how shitty Willian is. Happened with Conte and Sarri before. So I wouldn't be surprised... 

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, communicate said:

I don't think it is about his output but it made more sense to play pedro over willian across from Reece. Willian just doesn't make enough quality run to the box. However, Pedro imo is pretty much done here. 

If it's not about Willian's output, if Willian is as great as you keep making him out to be, then why did Lampard not play him over CHO? 

5 hours ago, communicate said:

I don't understand why Alonso is not starting on the left with Willian in front of him. This combination made sense . Let Willian sit and Alonso attack the box. 

Just because it make sense in theory, it doesn't mean it will work in practice...

[Fulham Broadway 17,316]

Willians knackered due to age and appearances. My guess he's being pureed and concentrated for Bayern, Utd, Sp*rs, probably bit parts to squeeze the best out of him. 

The good news is RLC played for an hour the other night....

[communicate 2,703]

10 hours ago, Jason said:

If it's not about Willian's output, if Willian is as great as you keep making him out to be, then why did Lampard not play him over CHO? 

Just because it make sense in theory, it doesn't mean it will work in practice...

The 1st question, I don't know. Maybe it is more about their future. One pretty much out of contract at the end of the season. One is our future. Not the same but a bit similar to Michy over Giroud situation. 

It was working though, I think it was against Spurs. When cross come from the right we have Alonso, Tammy in the box. 

[Vesper 30,185]

Willian needs to be sent packing

we are some truly numpty twats if we cave in and pay him £30m for the next 3 years as he eases the afro into the retirement home

he is poison and has collapsed again

2 league goals since October is NOT good enough

and both those came in the same game

we can replace him with Boga and/or Ziyech

and work on Sancho, although Sancho is not going to be able to be purchased budget-wise unless we do what I suggest and sell Kante

bottom line is that it was criminal that the cunt Marina turned down £65m for him from Barca and now he walks on a free

we could have sold him and Alonso in summer 2018 for £110m combined

and bought Richarlison and Telles for a combined £68m then

IF we had done that

the rolling 3 year FFP cumulative loss of £40m disappears completely as the salary rates would have been about the same or even less

fuck the board

 

[Johnnyeye 7,509]

18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Willian needs to be sent packing

we are some truly numpty twats if we cave in and pay him £30m for the next 3 years as he eases the afro into the retirement home

he is poison and has collapsed again

2 league goals since October is NOT good enough

and both those came in the same game

we can replace him with Boga and/or Ziyech

and work on Sancho, although Sancho is not going to be able to be purchased budget-wise unless we do what I suggest and sell Kante

bottom line is that it was criminal that the cunt Marina turned down £65m for him from Barca and now he walks on a free

we could have sold him and Alonso in summer 2018 for £110m combined

and bought Richarlison and Telles for a combined £68m then

IF we had done that

the rolling 3 year FFP cumulative loss of £40m disappears completely as the salary rates would have been about the same or even less

fuck the board

 

couldnt agree more, we have an incompetent board.

[Vesper 30,185]

On 2/4/2020 at 11:10 PM, MoroccanBlue said:

And I’ll raise you Godin, Sanchez, Young, and Moses. Even worse when you look at the average age of Inter and the players Inter are rumored with under Conte. He’s looking for immediate success and doesn’t care of the precautions for the future. 

Sanchez, Young, and Moses are all on loan, the last 2 for 5 months. Godin, who is still a beast, especially for Serie A in the short term, was on a free.

Inter did not ransom their future with them at all. They went for a title push with vets who cost them peanuts, and can sort the long term out at their leisure.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

The 1st question, I don't know. Maybe it is more about their future. One pretty much out of contract at the end of the season. One is our future. Not the same but a bit similar to Michy over Giroud situation. 

It was working though, I think it was against Spurs. When cross come from the right we have Alonso, Tammy in the box. 

While we did play well against Spurs, it was ONE game and it so happened that we also caught them cold tactically. Alonso is most certainly not good enough for us to switch to a back 3 just for him!

[communicate 2,703]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

While we did play well against Spurs, it was ONE game and it so happened that we also caught them cold tactically. Alonso is most certainly not good enough for us to switch to a back 3 just for him!

It got nothing to do with back 3. I will play alonso in back 4 as long as he is protected. 

It come down to finding solution based on what we have. We can't score right now so who do we have who can help us score.

Puli, injured

Pedro, gone gone. 

Mount, if played on the left will need a lb to help him because he is not really dribbler. Which mean Emerson will have to play. If played an am kante has to play as dm. 

Kante, see above. 

Alonso, will attack the box but need a workhorse to protect him. 

CHO, not sure attacking the box is his game right now. 

So it is simple, while waiting for puli to get back and hopefully he get back firing. We can play Emerson on the left with mount, and let kante bomb or play alonso with Willian.

 

 

 

 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I want to say something related to Lampard's Chelsea being lucky they are fourth because others are having a bad season. 

Well, football and sports in general are made of this things. Maybe the Chiefs would not be SB champions had the Patriots had a normal season by their standards, maybe Liverpool was lucky to win the UCL last season because of Barcelona's debacle at Anfield, maybe Chelsea was lucky to win the title with Conte because others did not pose a threat all season long. Maybe, maybe, maybe. 

In the end you can find all the reasons in the world for a league winner why they were lucky to win it and how others contributed to it by not being up for the challenge. 

The same way Chelsea are lucky to be fourth can be said about United, Spurs and Arsenal, too, they are lucky to still be chasing a top 4 spot because of Chelsea. But football does not work like that, Liverpool are first because they deserve to be there, Chelsea are fourth because of the same reason, Arsenal mid table because they are and they indeed play like a mid table club and so on and so forth. 

Give Lampard a few seasons and I must say at least 4-5 transfer windows and let's see, maybe he is good enough maybe he is not, only time will tell. 

More and more should take Liverpool's example and give their managers time and resources. Look at them a few years back and look at them now, basically Salah was a Chelsea reject coming of a good spell in Italy, Firmino you thought he'd be another Suso, Luis Alberto, Ibe etc., Mane was just a decent player by the PL standards, Henderson was your average PL donkey, Robertson some Scottish freebie from Hull, Van Dijk the 75M man everybody though it was thr biggest rip off and so on and so forth. None would think they would end up like this now and look how many years it took. Lampard's just 6 months in and not a single transfer in. I'd judge the man after he's made the team of his desired players.

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2 hours ago, communicate said:

It got nothing to do with back 3. I will play alonso in back 4 as long as he is protected. 

It come down to finding solution based on what we have. We can't score right now so who do we have who can help us score.

"As long as he is protected" Says all about Alonso, doesn't it? He is not the Messi or Ronaldo of a left back or wing back (hell, he is not even Marcelo!). Making compromises to the team just to fit one average player is utterly nonsense and moreover, his goalscoring record last season in a back 4 rivals Willian's "desperate" output as a winger. Alonso had 4 goals and 7 assists in 39 appearances last season but 1 of the goals and 4 of the assists came in the first four games, meaning he had only 3 goals and 3 assists in the subsequent 35 games! Is that something worth making compromises for? I can't wait for the day when we bin the likes of Alonso, Willian so we don't have to hear people make them to be world class etc! 

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56 minutes ago, Jason said:

"As long as he is protected" Says all about Alonso, doesn't it? He is not the Messi or Ronaldo of a left back or wing back (hell, he is not even Marcelo!). Making compromises to the team just to fit one average player is utterly nonsense and moreover, his goalscoring record last season in a back 4 rivals Willian's "desperate" output as a winger. Alonso had 4 goals and 7 assists in 39 appearances last season but 1 of the goals and 4 of the assists came in the first four games, meaning he had only 3 goals and 3 assists in the subsequent 35 games! Is that something worth making compromises for? I can't wait for the day when we bin the likes of Alonso, Willian so we don't have to hear people make them to be world class etc! 

Totally agree, and when you think about this - one of Azpi or James would need to make space for Alonso. Azpi - our captain who still has a lot to offer, and James, our brightest prospect.

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On 2/6/2020 at 8:38 PM, El P. said:

Totally agree, and when you think about this - one of Azpi or James would need to make space for Alonso. Azpi - our captain who still has a lot to offer, and James, our brightest prospect.

It is all about the team. I don't care who play but they need to complement each other that is the most important thing. Azpi on the left mean the best winger in front of him is Willian. 

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On 2/6/2020 at 7:40 PM, Jason said:

"As long as he is protected" Says all about Alonso, doesn't it? He is not the Messi or Ronaldo of a left back or wing back (hell, he is not even Marcelo!). Making compromises to the team just to fit one average player is utterly nonsense and moreover, his goalscoring record last season in a back 4 rivals Willian's "desperate" output as a winger. Alonso had 4 goals and 7 assists in 39 appearances last season but 1 of the goals and 4 of the assists came in the first four games, meaning he had only 3 goals and 3 assists in the subsequent 35 games! Is that something worth making compromises for? I can't wait for the day when we bin the likes of Alonso, Willian so we don't have to hear people make them to be world class etc! 

Willian and alonso is not wc but I honestly don't really care. It is all about selecting player who complement each other to build the best team. That is the most important part.

You said Willian and alonso are suck, fine. Now your choice is Puli and CHO. Puli is useless outside final 3rd and is better playing narrower, so he need to play on the left. So you need to bring the ball to him, which mean Emerson will start. On the right hand side we have CHO and James. With cho and puli playing, we will be more direct which mean more transition opportunity which mean our weak defense will be tested even more.