Blue Armour 4,467 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Torres was actually looking somewhat back to his best until he was dropped. Was excellent against Man Utd, Valencia and Genk. Drogba has scored a couple but looked completely disinterested and Lazy.Despite Torres' shit scoring record for us, he has looked good, just his goalscoring is the one thing he is judged on. He's missed many many golden opportunities but at least he's always there. They will turn into goals given the pitch minutes.That's something I found strange as well..Its been about since month since he has started, and I put it down to AVB finally deciding that he will stick with Drogba as his first-choice, simply as a matter of preference. I just hope he doesn't go back that to that policy of giving each striker equal minutes, because they're not able to find consistency.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced 34 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Torres was actually looking somewhat back to his best until he was dropped. Was excellent against Man Utd, Valencia and Genk. Drogba has scored a couple but looked completely disinterested and Lazy.Despite Torres' shit scoring record for us, he has looked good, just his goalscoring is the one thing he is judged on. He's missed many many golden opportunities but at least he's always there. They will turn into goals given the pitch minutes.I dont understand it either.. he was looking relatively sharp even in the last games before he was dropped.My best guess is he might have been looking bad in training. As much respect as I have for DD he is getting old and doesn't fit with the new style of play AVB is implementing... besides it isn't the same as 2 years ago when we could just chop long balls to didier and watch him create goals out of half chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,467 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 There's also a chance that AVB is actually choosing his strikers depending on the type of opposition we play (at least that's what he claims in some of his interviews)...In any case, it will be interesting to see his team selections for the next few matches..we can get a better picture then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 stats this year:Torres - 14 apps 4 goals 3 assists - 50% rateDrogba - 10 apps 2 goals 1 assist - 30% rateThis includes Torres last 2 late subs appearances...Torres is more effective than Drogba, although Drogba did work hard against Wolves closing down opponents. This is where Drogba beats Torres on effort put in....maybe being dropped for a while will give Torres the kick up the arse he needs to work harder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 This is where Drogba beats Torres on effort put inI'm afraid that's just not true. Torres has worked extremely hard for the team this season whenever he's been on the pitch, he's literally been everywhere. The problem is that once he gets in and around the box, he seems to get struck by a moment of indecisiveness and ends up running into a defender or taking on the wrong option. His work rate could have been questioned last season but not this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm afraid that's just not true. Torres has worked extremely hard for the team this season whenever he's been on the pitch, he's literally been everywhere. The problem is that once he gets in and around the box, he seems to get struck by a moment of indecisiveness and ends up running into a defender or taking on the wrong option. His work rate could have been questioned last season but not this year.His work rate has improved since last year true, but don't agree he has worked extremely hard in all games this year. At the start of the season yes, but I had been watching him closely in the last few games he played and he was just jogging around in the box, not making enough effort to get onto things.I think Torres is better than Drogba and needs a run of 5+ games to show this. As I said on here before I dont think AVB has managed him well. However this latest episode may be correct, when Torres comes back into the side he may well show the effort levels of the beginning of the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazón De León 58 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I love both Drogba and Torres. I love Drogba more because hes been at Chelsea for so many years and is a club legend but Torres has to play because we should be thinking about the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 So you have Drogba goggles now? Drogba didn't have a single shot on target in the game. While Torres immediately he came on, the only thing on his mind was trying to score.And his movement was good, just wish he'd been less selfish... he could have probably had an assistI have already replied to this on another thread, so not going to bother repeating myself lol.So you have Drogba goggles now? Drogba didn't have a single shot on target in the game. While Torres immediately he came on, the only thing on his mind was trying to score.And his movement was good, just wish he'd been less selfish... he could have probably had an assistI have already replied to this on another thread, so not going to bother repeating myself lol.I've had Drogba goggles from the day he arrived at Stamford Bridge, he is my all time favourite footballer and one of my heroes. He didn't have a shot but he led the line of a team that won 3-0 and he was quite important in getting that result, read the paragraph about his performance on the blue chronicle blog and it explains just why his performance was so excellent from a team based point of view. AVB isn't a fool, and even though its Torres who Roman (and AVB) would rather see starting because he is the younger player, because his style of centre forward is supposed to suit AVB's system more than the target man Drogba and because he cost 50 million pound, its a true reflection of Fernando's lack of form aswell as Drogba's recent good performances that Didier is the one getting the nod to start. Come the crucial Champions League game against Valencia, I know which one Id rather have leading the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Even after 146 goals and eight seasons at the club his brilliance still isn't recognised - I find there's no point arguing, Jaimin.Even after 146 goals and eight seasons at the club his brilliance still isn't recognised - I find there's no point arguing, Jaimin.Spot on, even amongst our own fans he must be one of the most underrated players I can remember. He has been the focal point at Chelsea for the best part of 8 years, the main man through whom all things flow and he deserves a lot more credit and respect than he is getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 stats this year:Torres - 14 apps 4 goals 3 assists - 50% rateDrogba - 10 apps 2 goals 1 assist - 30% rateThis includes Torres last 2 late subs appearances...Torres is more effective than Drogba, although Drogba did work hard against Wolves closing down opponents. This is where Drogba beats Torres on effort put in....maybe being dropped for a while will give Torres the kick up the arse he needs to work harder...Statistically Mikel is one of the most accurate passers in the Premier League, that must mean Mikel is one of the finest midfielders in the Premier League.Stats don't tell the whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Stop saying Torres was good against ManU. He was just above average. Had it been Drogba missing those two sitters, we would ask for his head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 It all comes down to what attributes AVB wants from his CF to fit into his match tactics. One thing is apparent though, chopping and changing does not help either player or the team. Regular games is the only way for either player to gain form or momentum.Personally, I think Torres is a better player than Drogba and would pick him but if AVB sees Drogba as the CF we have to get behind him 100%.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 From now on it has to be Drogba leading our front three*. Even if he is also out of form, he is more usefull, and better, than Torres. Because he can take penalty/freekick/corner, he can play down the center and on the wing (which allows the switching of position), he is good at defending corner/freekick. And imo he has an understanding with everybody in the team, especially with Sturridge... A thing Torres doesn't seem to have.* To be frank I'd rather Sturridge, but for now it is complicated to leave him off the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 One thing i cant understand in all of this though is why Torres is only getting a couple minutes at the end of games, almost like AVB doesn't even want him to be able to compete with Drogba lol.We're up 3-0 against Wolves, and AVB isn't even planning on bringing him on till the fans started calling for him. wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 One thing i cant understand in all of this though is why Torres is only getting a couple minutes at the end of games, almost like AVB doesn't want him to be able to compete with Drogba lol.We're up 3-0 against Wolves, and AVB isn't even planning on bringing him on till the fans started calling for him. wtf?Maybe he wanted to keep him fresh and raring to go against Liverpool on Tuesday. If Torres does not start Tomorrow then I think AVB could be looking to out him from the club... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Maybe he wanted to keep him fresh and raring to go against Liverpool on Tuesday. If Torres does not start Tomorrow then I think AVB could be looking to out him from the club...Who could replace him though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 From now on it has to be Drogba leading our front three*. Even if he is also out of form, he is more usefull, and better, than Torres. Because he can take penalty/freekick/corner, he can play down the center and on the wing (which allows the switching of position), he is good at defending corner/freekick. And imo he has an understanding with everybody in the team, especially with Sturridge... A thing Torres doesn't seem to have.Great post. I feel exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Who could replace him though ?Sturridge if we get someone for the right wing... but obviously we would have to get a new striker because only Danny and Lukaku wouldn't be enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 it looks like Anelka is defo gone in Jan so I can sense a rebuild in the next transfer window. Obviously Anelka's spot free's up one space but his situation is alot different to Torres. Torres will be very difficult to shift, I cant see anyone buying him in the next window even if we made him available, but i could see a loan till the end of the season somewhere(with us still paying a % of his wages no doubt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 it looks like Anelka is defo gone in Jan so I can sense a rebuild in the next transfer window. Obviously Anelka's spot free's up one space but his situation is alot different to Torres. Torres will be very difficult to shift, I cant see anyone buying him in the next window even if we made him available, but i could see a loan till the end of the season somewhere(with us still paying a % of his wages no doubt).Simular to Crespo a few years back. its a shame because all of the buzz when Torres joined has really no lived up to the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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