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Best of his generation? Probably. Best of all time? Absolutely no chance. Pelé is by far and away and without a shadow of doubt, the greatest player this sport has, or will ever see. I for one rank the great Eusébio as the equal second greatest striker of all time, on par with Maradona simply because he carried Benfica and Portugal on his shoulders. Messi will never rank among those 3, Maradona and Eusébio were both by far the greatest players their respective clubs and countries produced and are solely responsible for the successes of their respective clubs and countries. As his teammate at Benfica and Portugal once said, "With Eusébio we could have been tri European Champions, without him maybe we could win the League." Messi has a long, long way to go to catch him and overtake him in my books as the equal 2nd greatest striker in the history of this game.

I'd rank Messi behind Ronaldo (the fat one), di Stefano and Puskas as the 6th best attacker.

I would like to see Pele deal with a real Defender like Benckenbauer. With both in their Primes of course.

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I would like to see Pele deal with a real Defender like Benckenbauer. With both in their Primes of course.

I would like to see Pele on an unlimited amount of steroids since he was 13, and shit, have him schooled there too.

Pele 5x the athlete, easily, and thats not even considering testosterone levels.

Zidane and Maradonna better than Pele too

Messi is a cheating egomaniac roid monkey

the perfect poster boy for the modern game

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Best footballer i have ever seen? No (Zidane)

Best footballer i have ever seen? No (Zidane)

Zidane was good but he was not as good as Messi. Zidane was probably better at one thing and that was vision (maybe his long shots too but that's debatable) but Messi kills him at everything else.

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Zidane was good but he was not as good as Messi. Zidane was probably better at one thing and that was vision (maybe his long shots too but that's debatable) but Messi kills him at everything else.

Comparing Messi to Zidane....DEBATABLE

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Comparing Messi to Zidane....DEBATABLE

Touche

For me, Zidane and Ronaldo (Brazilian) are at the top. They've both won the world cup and the elegance of Zidane is unmatched today (Ozil slightly). That's not to say Messi can never reach it, because the stuff this kid does is mind-blowing. He's Broken yet another record today in being the first person to get 5 goals in one UCL game. At 24 he is poised to be the best, but for me that can never happen - as in their can never be a best. Different generations, with different opponents all created different legends. Everyone has their favourties, heck even Drogba is up their for me personally, but then again you wouldn't hear that from a United fan. Some even call Maldini the greatest, but that's defenders who can appreciate what he did. That is why, no matter how many he records he break, he can never be the best ever. It's an impossible feat even for this incredible player.

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I would like to see Pele deal with a real Defender like Benckenbauer. With both in their Primes of course.

He played Real Madrid and other European powerhouses dozens of times in his club career. And still dominated. Whereas Messi bottles it whenever he comes up against Jose Bosingwa, Salomon Kalou or Javier Zanetti.

Edit: And he played against Bobby Moore in Mexico 1970, and despite not scoring had a pretty decent game. That was the game where Banks pulled off the impossible save. On top of that he scored against the Italian's in 1970, where he played against the likes of Facchetti.

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Are you still hurting from the 5 that Argentina put past your team? Seriously, talk with logic and facts not emotions. Starting to look like a scouser.

Anyways, Messi scored more goals in one half than Torres in 2 years. *Had to do it*

Logic and facts?

Like the ones you put forth?

By the way what team are you talking about? I don't support any NTs

If you want some facts and logic, here's some:

Lionel Messi has been on a heavy regimen of performance enhancing drugs before he was even high school age.

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Yes, he is doped up. But then so is Alberto Contador. That doesn't stop him from being a legend of his sport, drugs or not, Contador is a joy to watch on the bicycle. The same principle can be applied to Messi. The authorities will turn a blind eye because he's so fucking good. If Salomon Kalou tried that shit they'd have him down in front of WADA before you can say 'cheat'.

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I.....don't think there probably is a greatest of all time in football

can messi play as a CB and hold a defence or some sort like's of nesta maldini Puyol that sort

but then Nesta maldini or puyol Couldn't exactly do 48 goals in a season

Juninho owns him free kicks wise and all of that

so ...well there probably is no best of all time ,..maybe players better in some sectors than others

:3 Maybe this one is the best of all time jk

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Yes, he is doped up. But then so is Alberto Contador. That doesn't stop him from being a legend of his sport, drugs or not, Contador is a joy to watch on the bicycle. The same principle can be applied to Messi. The authorities will turn a blind eye because he's so fucking good. If Salomon Kalou tried that shit they'd have him down in front of WADA before you can say 'cheat'.

You aren't understanding me.

Imagine Pele on test since 13

or Zidane

or Maradona

hell, even Neymar, he could sure use the mass

but Messi got a special exemption because of La Masia political connections

Messi has a HUGE advantage over other players, he doesn't play under the same rules as others, and whats more, neither does his club!

So is it really a surprise you give cheat codes to one player, and cheat codes to a team essentially, and that star player looks so unbelievable?

and the argument you made is just ludicrous. Either you prosecute people fully for violating the rules and close the loopholes, or allow PEDs completely. cheating is cheating.

I.....don't think there probably is a greatest of all time in football

can messi play as a CB and hold a defence or some sort like's of nesta maldini Puyol that sort

but then Nesta maldini or puyol Couldn't exactly do 48 goals in a season

Juninho owns him free kicks wise and all of that

so ...well there probably is no best of all time ,..maybe players better in some sectors than others

I'd agree but consider that some players are far more versatile tactically and/or athletically which makes them influential in more parts of the game.

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