Tomo 21,751 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I have never seen such persistence in the media (regarding the David Luiz and Mata rumours) all summer.Has there actually been a single solid quote all summer in stories regarding these two players? It's pure guess work by people comparing the two players and the Mourinho stereotype.If Mata is gone this time next week, i will never critisise Torres ever again. Peppen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenhazard17 281 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 If Mata is gone this time next week, i will never critisise Torres ever again. Strangely, I have the same thought ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Wouldn't read to much into that. The journalist asked whether or not it was true that Mata could be on his way out and Mourinho responded by saying he's going nowhere. How else could the guy summarizing the press conference have put it when he needed to let people know what question Mourinho was answering to when he said those words?That being said, the situation does worry me but the phrasing on the match report doesn't mean anything.Yeah you're right. Anyway, for me Jose's words are enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mata at the Haemoroids stadium last night with his agent dad.It does have shades of Robben though with his dad who was also his agent, and touted his son about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Apparently we are going to sign Christian Atsu! i hope this doesn't mean that Mata is leaving!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 So many rumors about Mata, recently. Today, even Wenger the stupidest of all, says he likes Mata.Nothing to worry about. Jose is not stupid. He knows, if he ever got rid of Mata, it´s only a matter of time before Chelsea fans would turn against him. Any mistakes made by Jose would snow ball to large proportions & Jose is gone within a year. I honestly, do not believe even Roman would allow Mata to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 If you look at our attacking midfield options, then Mata is something of an odd man out. De Bruyne, Schurrle, Hazard, Oscar and Willian all have that dynamic, physical nature in both defence and attack that Mata doesn't really have. It comes down to workrate - look at the game against Villa at the end of last season where his lack of tracking back created massive gaps between himself and the pivot. That wasn't a one-off either.Then look at Oscar's performance against United where he was all over the pitch, linking play together from deep and then popping up in the opposition box much like he does for Brazil too.I'm not saying we're going to sell him and I'm not saying it isn't possible for us to have different types of players for different types of situations, but if you're looking to play a high-intensity game based on fast attacking moves and high workrate in defence, then maybe you're going to prefer certain players over others. LDN Blue, bababoom and Peace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Once again, another hypothetical posting. Full of ifs & buts.Mata has been the most helpful player at Chelsea for the past two years. Therefore, he MUST NOT BE SOLD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyzz 711 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Only a few days to go until all this bullshit comes to an end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleed_blue 136 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 If you look at our attacking midfield options, then Mata is something of an odd man out. De Bruyne, Schurrle, Hazard, Oscar and Willian all have that dynamic, physical nature in both defence and attack that Mata doesn't really have. It comes down to workrate - look at the game against Villa at the end of last season where his lack of tracking back created massive gaps between himself and the pivot. That wasn't a one-off either.Then look at Oscar's performance against United where he was all over the pitch, linking play together from deep and then popping up in the opposition box much like he does for Brazil too.I'm not saying we're going to sell him and I'm not saying it isn't possible for us to have different types of players for different types of situations, but if you're looking to play a high-intensity game based on fast attacking moves and high workrate in defence, then maybe you're going to prefer certain players over others.1. In the Aston Villa game, Mata was not playing in the Centre of 3, he was playing on the right. And I am not sure those were really gaps because Aston Villa were playing a very high line. Those gaps only appeared when we played a ball over the top for Ba to chase and he invariably ended up being offside. Even if one of the AMs were to cover in those gaps, it would have amounted to nothing. 2. You can't just compare the kind of player Mata is with people like De Bruyne, Schurrle and Willian and not talk about the gulf in quality. KDB, Schurrle, Willian first need to prove they can cut it in the PL. 3. "High intensity game, fast attacking moves, high workrate in defense". I think you are mixing up 2-3 playing styles in one. Mourinho should try and suit the style to the strengths of our team. He is already turning Ramires into something that he is not and thus not utilizing his strengths fully. The system that Mourinho played in 2004-2007 cannot be used with this Chelsea team. Then he had Makelele, Drogba, Carvalho and players like Lampard, Terry, Essien, Ashley Cole were all young and in peak physical shape. The present team has different attributes and it will be wise to pay some heed to their strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 If you look at our attacking midfield options, then Mata is something of an odd man out. De Bruyne, Schurrle, Hazard, Oscar and Willian all have that dynamic, physical nature in both defence and attack that Mata doesn't really have. It comes down to workrate - look at the game against Villa at the end of last season where his lack of tracking back created massive gaps between himself and the pivot. That wasn't a one-off either.Then look at Oscar's performance against United where he was all over the pitch, linking play together from deep and then popping up in the opposition box much like he does for Brazil too.I'm not saying we're going to sell him and I'm not saying it isn't possible for us to have different types of players for different types of situations, but if you're looking to play a high-intensity game based on fast attacking moves and high workrate in defence, then maybe you're going to prefer certain players over others.Great managers make great space for great players. Messi is not known for his defensive side of the game but is still a key figure in the Barca team. Pirlo is also not the fastest player around but Conte found a way to play him in a counter attacking Juve. So the Mata does not track back nonsense has to go. What he contributes in front of goal is worth more than he costs us at the back 20 goals and 35 assists to be precise. That is he had a contribution in 55 of the 141 goals we scored last season which is just slightly over a third of our goals last season. Also hazard links better with Mata than anyone else which overall is better for the team. Had we strengthed at the pivot we would not have had this Mata problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mata has even stopped updating the after match blog he always did. I think Mourinho is breaking his spirit. I know its tough to say this but for the player Mata is he deserves better and I would not begrudge him if he forced a move, but I rest assure u that will be the end of Mourinho's honeymoon period in most fans faces and im sure for the owner too. I would rather have a 75% fit Mata in the starting 11 than KDB to be honest. No offense to KDB's talents his a great player and good for depth but Mata is a much better player and has more talent than him also he offers way more to the team through than most people actually realise. He had a hand in 55 of our goals last season which is just over a third of our total goals of 141 that we scored last season. Surely a player like that should be the first name on the sheet. Also I know he does not offer tracking back qualities and has a weak defensive contribution but surely he makes that up by his great link up play with Hazard. I believe that Hazard is a much better player with Mata in the line up than without him. Its like they share the same football brain when both are on the pitch. Mourinho is a great coach but he is also a human being prone to error and this is one error he has to fix before its too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic weeds 446 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mata has even stopped updating the after match blog he always did. I think Mourinho is breaking his spirit. I know its tough to say this but for the player Mata is he deserves better and I would not begrudge him if he forced a move, but I rest assure u that will be the end of Mourinho's honeymoon period in most fans faces and im sure for the owner too. I would rather have a 75% fit Mata in the starting 11 than KDB to be honest. No offense to KDB's talents his a great player and good for depth but Mata is a much better player and has more talent than him also he offers way more to the team through than most people actually realise. He had a hand in 55 of our goals last season which is just over a third of our total goals of 141 that we scored last season. Surely a player like that should be the first name on the sheet. Also I know he does not offer tracking back qualities and has a weak defensive contribution but surely he makes that up by his great link up play with Hazard. I believe that Hazard is a much better player with Mata in the line up than without him. Its like they share the same football brain when both are on the pitch. Mourinho is a great coach but he is also a human being prone to error and this is one error he has to fix before its too late. How can he update the after match blog when he does not play? In this case, he is a spectator, just like us. Mata aint going anywhere. and he will start against Bayern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 How can he update the after match blog when he does not play? In this case, he is a spectator, just like us. Mata aint going anywhere. and he will start against Bayern.He used to update even games he was not involved in last season. he even got to watch some la liga games and talked abt those too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Why are people talking about work rate did they not watch mata the last two seasons he played?? What are the complain before he was name best player and we all praise the day he choose to sign for Chelsea it really beyond me jeronimo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namika 922 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8893157/transfer-news-chelsea-boss-jose-mourinho-reiterates-juan-mata-stance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeronimo 130 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I definitely don't think Jose will let him leave. Funny how as soon as any rumours about him started appearing, some fans start complaining about all his weaknesses.We have some really ungrateful fans that seem to have forgotten how good of a footballer Juan is, and how much he has done for us since arriving. Vybz Kartel and 1chelsea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I definitely don't think Jose will let him leave. Funny how as soon as any rumours about him started appearing, some fans start complaining about all his weaknesses.We have some really ungrateful fans that seem to have forgotten how good of a footballer Juan is, and how much he has done for us since arriving.If that's a pop at me then feel free to name me. I can take a bit of criticism.Every player has weaknesses and every manager will decide whether the strengths they offer fit what they want in a team or not. I love Mata but I'm not of the opinion that we can only have success with him in the team. We won the Champions League and yet he wasn't the great for us in the semis or the final.I've also always liked the idea of Oscar in the middle of the park which means pushing Mata to one of the wings, but there's a possibility that Willian and Hazard offer a greater direct threat than Juan and that's without mentioning Schurrle and De Bruyne.All this doesn't mean I think he'll leave, but I've said from the end of last season that I think he'll play less games and be less important to us this season. I may yet be proven wrong. jeronimo, Reddish-Blue, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,503 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I definitely don't think Jose will let him leave. Funny how as soon as any rumours about him started appearing, some fans start complaining about all his weaknesses.We have some really ungrateful fans that seem to have forgotten how good of a footballer Juan is, and how much he has done for us since arriving.We also have some fans who just can't accept that Chelsea can still be a great club without Mata.If Mourinho wants to build his team around Oscar, De Bruyne, Hazard & Willian...then Mata's role will be reduced.I'm not saying that Mata will be sold..but people are acting like he's a god. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujo101 75 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Sadly, I think Mata will be elsewhere this time next week and I'm absolutely gutted. To say I hope he says and is only being rested is an understatement. Juan is the team's primary playmaker & his importance in the midfield cannot be underestimated. I just want this transfer window to be over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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