Korea 734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 My question is if Mata is sold to France, what makes you think he wont transfer back to the BPL to United or another team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 How many debuts has Jose handed to youth players this season? Which players have developed/improved under him? Have we improved stylistically under Mourinho after he claimed we played defensive and negative football under Rafa/RDM?This new dawn, RIP player power nonsense is utterly delusional.I really have no problem anymore with the European group stage mentality adopted by Jose this season - Draw the big away games and win at home. Draw conclusions about his style of play only next season The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Believe it or not I've actually backed Jose on most things up until now (including the mini-meltdown on here when we were really struggling earlier this season or the outrage we loaned Lukaku to Everton). I just can't contemplate selling our best player despite him not getting a fair shot all season long and to our rivals nevertheless.The boring football and results first mentality as well as the near-exclusion and development of youth are all staples of his management I've learned to accept during his first tenure here. lionsden and Joe Ay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 piazon. he is a mourinho style playerThat would be amazing. But unfortunately I think piazon might suffer the same fate as kdb. The only thing that might be different is that piazon can play as a false 9.now will mourinho want to do something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 What if that substitute revives dead united to a title challenging one next season!!Under Moyes? I'd rather we sold Mata to PSG but if there's no offer on the table then you're left with hoping Mata retains value in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Did any updates come out about his supposed transfer to United? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Mak 4,459 Posted January 22, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 22, 2014 Except Mata doesn't play. When he does play, our AMs aren't generally the strength they are when we've got Oscar, Willian and Hazard in the side. If we get injuries in those positions to Hazard and Oscar for example, we're fucked whether we still have Mata or not because our team is built around those types of players. Mata isn't needed. There's a big drop in quality when you rely on Moses/Ramires as back-up compared to Mata - no matter what system you're trying to implement, you're going to get a drop in quality. We have 3 terrible strikers compared to the top teams and our midfield still needs work, as does our defence. We rely on our AMs to win us games. Mata is still capable of getting goals and assists. He's not disabled.We've been lucky with Hazard's, Oscar's and Willian's fitness until now. Imagine if Hazard pulled his hamstring again like he did 2 weeks before the end of last season? Woops. All of a sudden there goes the majority of our goals from midfield and the guy who needs to be constantly doubled up on. We're then reliant on our only 3 quality AMs to win us games in the league, FA cup and CL. United's real targets might actually be available in the summer though. This is a panic buy by them.Who gives a shit. If we sell Mata, we lose a player who doesn't actually seem to make our team function in quite the same way it does without him. Honestly at this point in time he might actually be sixth choice AM behind Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle and Ramires. When we play a top team, NOBODY includes Mata. So we're going to say no to £40 million for a player to only appear against Stoke in the FA Cup and maybe West Ham in the league.....oh wait, we can't afford a replay so we probably shouldn't risk playing Mata against Stoke because last time he played against them we lost. I'm not talking about Stoke or FA cup games. I'm talking about if we get stuck for injuries in really important games like a Dortmund in the CL or something. I don't want the likes of Moses anywhere near such a game. If Oscar gets injured I want Mata to take his place as CAM. Making progress in the CL itself can gain us millions and it could be jeopardised by weakening the strength of our only strength - quality AMs.And no, I don't fully believe Mata is totally incapable of playing a no.10 in José's system. He was having a perfect game against Southampton, 100% passing, 3/4 tackles made in his own half and had every right to feel aggrieved at being taken off so early. There were exaggerations on both camps towards Mata's influence compared Oscar's in that game. He was doing a good job at what he was asked and has made great strides in his game compared to the start of the season, but some people refuse to see it. He's not just as defensively good as Oscar the same way Oscar is not as offensively good as Mata. Somethings have to be traded.You must be confused. I'm not saying, 'let's keep him forever' I'm saying that contrary to popular belief, he can still do a good job for us and is great cover to have until the summer where we can not sell to a rival. I find it ironic that you call people glory hunters but you're very quick to get all googly eyed over a big wad of cash (we can fuck all with now) offered to us by our biggest rival in the past decade. Especially since they wouldn't do the same in the summer. Somethings should not have a price. Did Dortmund give a shit when Bayern offered for Lewandowski? Did they fuck. They have some pride And against West Ham we only played 2 AMs so does we need him for that one or could we go with a 3 man midfield of Lamps, Matic and Rami?You're advocating a 4-3-3 but if remember correctly you were the one harping on about Oscar being our CAM. You heard José, he doesn't want him tracking full-backs. 4-3-3 is not realistic as long as he is here. But you can continue to point to the whole of 1/2 games as your proof if you really feel like it... Oh shit, I've got it. CARBONITE. The people who want to keep Mata don't actually want to play him. They want to Han Solo him and hang him in Jabba's palace (no jokes about the woman who owns Southampton please lads). That will be a real statement piece...it'll really tie the room together..Good one. Instead of making stupid smart-arse comments that contribute fuck all, shouldn't you be more worried about people calling you names? You know, to match your discriminatory behaviour towards Chelsea fans? Just so you don't get your knickers in a twist again because you can't defend yourself. Oh wait no, your defence is to prove yourself to be a big tough guy by asking to fight people who live in different countries. Solid! TacticalBlues, didierforever, SinineUltra and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Did any updates come out about his supposed transfer to United?Reading around in here you would think so.Sold for 40M plus a tub of Haribo cola bottles. SinineUltra and Rmpr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinineUltra 1,170 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 My question is if Mata is sold to France, what makes you think he wont transfer back to the BPL to United or another team? You must be joking. For the sake of argument, let's say that PSG or Monaco buy Mata for 35-40mil, do you really think they forked out that kind of money just to be a middle man in a grand scheme to poach Mata from Chelsea to ManUtd? didierforever, t1mb3r and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Believe it or not I've actually backed Jose on most things up until now (including the mini-meltdown on here when we were really struggling earlier this season or the outrage we loaned Lukaku to Everton). I just can't contemplate selling our best player despite him not getting a fair shot all season long and to our rivals nevertheless.He might be our best player, but if he doesn't fit the system then what use is he?The boring football and results first mentality as well as the near-exclusion and development of youth are all staples of his management I've learned to accept during his first tenure here.Then go and support United. You've already expressed a desire to see Mata come back and destroy us so you're halfway there. If you think watching players like Eden Hazard is boring then I'm sorry, I don't know what to tell you. Yes we need to develop youth and there are cases where we could've done so but I hope this is something we commit to in the future. Jose is saying all the right things and the inclusion of Ake, Kalas and Baker in first-team plans is a nice step but we need to do more. But he deserves time to do so. By my reckoning, Mourinho has given as many under-18s their debuts as Wenger has this year. AswinR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 There is a plausible inferance that can be taken from this deal coming to fruition: that Mourinho has finally broken the board power and commands full control of the happenings of Chelsea, but again this is an inferance. As @We Hate Scouse, pointed out it could indeed be the board bowing their heads to a tantilising 40 million pounds rather than handing Mourinho a vote of confidence. Maybe that's the case maybe it's not, we can't know for sure.Again as you mentioned earlier, why do we need the money now? If* this happens, I'd imagine it was Jose's call ultimately*it's still a big If Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabHazard 655 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Under Moyes? I'd rather we sold Mata to PSG but if there's no offer on the table then you're left with hoping Mata retains value in the summer.I am ok with selling mata......all i can't stand is selling him to manures!!!! The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,327 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Reading around in here you would think so.Sold for 40M plus a tub of Haribo cola bottles.Explains all the arguing that's going on...Who will get the Haribo? The club or his agent? WHY NOT AGREE A DEAL FOR 2 TUBS CHELSEA? WHY!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You must be joking. For the sake of argument, let's say that PSG or Monaco buy Mata for 35-40mil, do you really think they forked out that kind of money just to be a middle man in a grand scheme to poach Mata from Chelsea to ManUtd?Knowing how PSG already are willing to offload Lavezzi, Pastore, Menez and company. YEAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Did any updates come out about his supposed transfer to United?No. That's the thing. More hype than substance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Are you fucking kidding me? Did you watch the game? Perfectly fine? Compared to what? Did you not see the tempo of the game increase in every aspect with the introduction of Oscar and Willian???Bertrand wasn't used in the FA Cup or the league cup tie at Sunderland (might have been injured but who knows?). As for delusion I think you wrote the book on it Mr Fan since 2007. I'm not sure you have that authority though. What about the results? He was used in all 3 PL losses. We were drawing away to Southampton and Norwich until he was removed (in the 81st minute at Norwich), and went on to win. It was 1-1 at home to Cardiff until he was replaced with Oscar - 4-1.It's harsh because he's a great player but he seems to undermine the system when he's playing and it's not his fault. The system is fucking hard to play.He was injured so much in his final season and was becoming a shadow of his former self which was a massive shame. Why you still haven't forgiven Jose says more about you, although you've already said you're looking forward to Mata destroying us in a United shirt.Fuck knows what you think supporting a club is. i am not fucking kidding any1. i watched the game and hence i used "more effective" with oscar and willian and hence i used "we can be more flexible". try and read and understand others point of view too. oh wait must be hard for mr. i-am-the-best-chelsea-fan-ever.i dont have that authority but it seems so weird coming from some1 who goes about giving judgement on club's youth policy towards chalobah and club's finances like u actually have a part in it. hazard and oscar and JT and cech were used too in all the 3 PL defeats. everton defeat had jack-squat to do with mata. we dominated, could not convert one on ones and open goals (schurrle and etoo) and were conceded due to a defensive brain fart of luiz. newcastle, the team a a whole looked flat. your references to the games he started simply say what my point is, SQUAD DEPTH. so let me get this straight out, u want a system, which relies on the tremondous workrate of every player involved on the pitch to be continued to employed with absolutely no back-up and replacements? well seems fair to me. sell schurrle too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinineUltra 1,170 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Knowing how PSG already are willing to offload Lavezzi, Pastore, Menez and company. YEAPAre you assuming all this based on some yellow pages? Don't get too caught up in media's fabrications. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 No. That's the thing. More hype than substance Exactly!But like Special Juan said, reading the stupid arguments in here, one would lead to conclude he was already sold... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Are you assuming all this based on some yellow pages? Don't get too caught up in media's fabrications. So, if MAta goes to PSg. Their going to keep zlatan, cavani, lavezzi, pastore, menez, lucas, and their 2 young french wingers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,140 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I think Rooney is coming here ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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