Jose M 140 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 From what I've gathered from sources across the web. Also, those sources don't make any mention of the increased payment 2 years down the line (40m in Bojan's case).We buy him now for 5 million, and if Barca activate the buy-back clause he is sold for 8 million in 2013. In effect a loan for 2 years, while being paid 3 million to take him on loan.I cant believe im saying this but looks like Ron Gourlay has done some decent business with this deal! Or it could be AVb's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 From what I've gathered from sources across the web. Also, those sources don't make any mention of the increased payment 2 years down the line (40m in Bojan's case).We buy him now for 5 million, and if Barca activate the buy-back clause he is sold for 8 million in 2013. In effect a loan for 2 years, while being paid 3 million to take him on loan.Thats the problem. All You know is the news that came from spanish press, and You are talking like you know everything about the dealWe did not even signed him yet. So what you saying is pure speculation.For me its obvious that his contract is like Borjan's. Otherwise no club would buy a 19 year old player to give him back to his former club 2 years later whitouth even having the option to keep him with some more cash.What You saying is pure nosense, clubs like Chelsea dont get teenagers on loan, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igi26 346 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2399897,00.htmlAVB: Why I want Oriol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Thats the problem. All You know is the news that came from spanish press, and You are talking like you know everything about the dealWe did not even signed him yet. So what you saying is pure speculation.For me its obvious that his contract is like Borjan's. Otherwise no club would buy a 19 year old player to give him back to his former club 2 years later whitouth even having the option to keep him with some more cash.What You saying is pure nosense, clubs like Chelsea dont get teenagers on loan, 1. You are free to believe what you want, I post what I believe is correct. Feel free to ignore.2. We have reached an agreement - it's on our official site.3. Applying your own line of reasoning, what you say is pure speculation as well.4. Suggest you look up the meaning of the words ''in effect''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 1. You are free to believe what you want, I post what I believe is correct. Feel free to ignore.2. We have reached an agreement - it's on our official site.3. Applying your own line of reasoning, what you say is pure speculation as well.We did not signed him yet, We agreed terms with Barcelona, but Romeu is in Colombia, he still has personal terms to agree.We know very little about this agreement with Barcelona. Wait and see before you complain about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 We did not signed him yet, We agreed terms with Barcelona, but Romeu is in Colombia, he still has personal terms to agree.We know very little about this agreement with Barcelona. Wait and see before you complain about it.That's what I meant when I said that we've reached an agreement.I'm not complaining about it - I quite like the prospect actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 He will have medical after the U-20 World Cup. He's going to the U20s? Another to one to watch then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madalista 30 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 He's going to the U20s? Another to one to watch then.yep the spanish, french and the argies look strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 This south american correspondent must be crazy or clueless. Piazon was one of best brazilians u-17 players. Juventus also wanted him, but he decided that english football was the best option for him.Im not saying he will be a great player, Im saying that its easy to understand why Chelsea got him. He knows something about football. thats good enough for me mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 This south american correspondent must be crazy or clueless. Piazon was one of best brazilians u-17 players. Juventus also wanted him, but he decided that english football was the best option for him.Im not saying he will be a great player, Im saying that its easy to understand why Chelsea got him. He knows something about football. thats good enough for me mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I cant believe im saying this but looks like Ron Gourlay has done some decent business with this deal! Or it could be AVb's doing. if that buy back clause is true its does look like good business unless of course we turn him into a key player and barca come back 2 years time and take him away for 8 mill. Imagin that, turning him into one of the best DM'S about and a lynch pin of our squad and then barca snap him back up again for a minimal fee? Not sure i like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic weeds 446 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 he should have a lesser role in the team or bench him until 2013 when that clause expires. By then, he will be 21 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 No - what you're talking about is first refusal. Romeu has a buy-back clause, which is totally different. It's like having a release clause, but only for the team that originally sold him. Once the release clause is met, the bid has to be accepted.I could swear they're the same thing though? Or either way the club is not obliged to accept. Only if they want to sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast 85 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 in 3 years time Barcelona will want him back and they will say, "Chelsea are kidnapping him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I could swear they're the same thing though? Or either way the club is not obliged to accept. Only if they want to sell?No mate it's different - Buyback = Selling club has the option to buy back the player at a future date at the price mentioned in the contract, if they think he's worth getting back to the club. It's a bit like a release clause, but different in the sense that a release clause can be activated by any team whereas a buyback is exclusive to the original selling club. In both cases, the club that buys the player (us, in this matter) is contractually bound to accept the offer if it matches the release clause amount. Example - if say Madrid offer us 8 million for Oriol, we may or may not accept the offer. But since Barca has that buyback clause, if they offer 8 million, the clause is activated and we must accept the bid.First refusal = When a club makes an offer for a player and it is accepted by the selling club, if the selling club has a 'first refusal' deal on that specific player or set of players with another club, that other club has the right to have an offer of a same amount accepted by the selling club. If they think the player in question is good enough and match the original offer, this bid has to be accepted by the selling club. Then it is upto the player to choose which club he wants to go to.Example - Part of the Deco deal was us getting 'first dibs' on Fluminense's 3 young players (their names evade me atm). If say Man Utd make an offer for one of those players and it's accepted by Fluminense, we have a right to match Utd's offer and have it accepted by Fluminense. Then the player decides which club he wants to go to.Hope I made sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam Dunk 1,442 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I'm all for this if it's funding Barca's bid for Fabregas...Also means Josh won't be forced into the holding role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 No mate it's different - Buyback = Selling club has the option to buy back the player at a future date at the price mentioned in the contract, if they think he's worth getting back to the club. It's a bit like a release clause, but different in the sense that a release clause can be activated by any team whereas a buyback is exclusive to the original selling club. In both cases, the club that buys the player (us, in this matter) is contractually bound to accept the offer if it matches the release clause amount. Example - if say Madrid offer us 8 million for Oriol, we may or may not accept the offer. But since Barca has that buyback clause, if they offer 8 million, the clause is activated and we must accept the bid.First refusal = When a club makes an offer for a player and it is accepted by the selling club, if the selling club has a 'first refusal' deal on that specific player or set of players with another club, that other club has the right to have an offer of a same amount accepted by the selling club. If they think the player in question is good enough and match the original offer, this bid has to be accepted by the selling club. Then it is upto the player to choose which club he wants to go to.Example - Part of the Deco deal was us getting 'first dibs' on Fluminense's 3 young players (their names evade me atm). If say Man Utd make an offer for one of those players and it's accepted by Fluminense, we have a right to match Utd's offer and have it accepted by Fluminense. Then the player decides which club he wants to go to.Hope I made sense Ahhhh! Thanks for that, didn't realise there was a difference. F*ck this deal then! To be fair, they may not even want him back. They've got Busquets in that role as it is, Keita as a backup to him too. Fabregas may also null the need for this type of player at Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 No mate it's different - Buyback = Selling club has the option to buy back the player at a future date at the price mentioned in the contract, if they think he's worth getting back to the club. It's a bit like a release clause, but different in the sense that a release clause can be activated by any team whereas a buyback is exclusive to the original selling club. In both cases, the club that buys the player (us, in this matter) is contractually bound to accept the offer if it matches the release clause amount. But like i said yesterday, Roma can block Bojan going back to Barca, and we should also be able to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino- 116 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 But like i said yesterday, Roma can block Bojan going back to Barca, and we should also be able to do the same.We might not have a similar provision in this deal. Or maybe we do but it's not public knowledge yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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