Thibaut Courtois

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Chelsea directors fear backlash if Real Madrid target Courtois sold

Friday, April 15, 2016 - 6 days ago

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Chelsea chiefs are weighing up the ramifications of selling Thibaut Courtois.

 

The Belgian has been linked with a summer move to Real Madrid.

The Chelsea-fear-selling-Thibaut-Courtois-backfire-Romelu-Lukaku-Kevin-Bruyne-going-prove-club-chiefs-wrong.html"> says Chelsea are willing to offload one of their top stars this summer to help supplement new manager Antonio Conte's transfer budget, with Courtois one who could be sacrificed.

But there is apprehension at Stamford Bridge over the prospect of the Belgium international leaving this summer.

Blues chiefs fear letting Courtois leave this summer could backfire. the shot-stopper, 23, is viewed as one of Europe's best young goalkeepers, despite an indifferent season.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It would be nonsensical to sell Courtois after we're seeing the ramifications of selling De Bruyne & co! 

He has no right to demand a move after we sold Cech to accommodate for him and he's on a long-term contract. The number would have to be astronomical to consider it IMO, because of course everyone has their price.

[Muzchap 8,966]

2 hours ago, LDN Blue said:

It would be nonsensical to sell Courtois after we're seeing the ramifications of selling De Bruyne & co! 

He has no right to demand a move after we sold Cech to accommodate for him and he's on a long-term contract. The number would have to be astronomical to consider it IMO, because of course everyone has their price.

Yeah, but that's why people were so pissed at selling Cech. 

Bowing to player power is crazy - SAF didn't do it - ever - and look how successful his teams were. 

I hope this is just media bollox TBH. 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

15 hours ago, Muzchap said:

Yeah, but that's why people were so pissed at selling Cech. 

Bowing to player power is crazy - SAF didn't do it - ever - and look how successful his teams were. 

I hope this is just media bollox TBH. 

But at the same time SAF was happy to let legends go (albeit not to rival clubs). Even though in his case it was players who crossed him (Beckham, Keane) as well as players' natural desire to leave, he usually replaced them adequately. 

Cech was, reasonably, unhappy playing number two. Why wouldn't he be? In theory it was the easiest solution. Get a nice fee for Cech and we still have a potentially world class player to fill the boots. Now the potentially world class player wants out supposedly. 

The model works if we can replace Courtois with a player of equal calibre and there's not many of those around at all.. Hell the closest one is a Madrid target as well! We just have to hope they're successful in acquiring him. I'd entertain an idea of swapping him of Oblak if Courtois' real desire is to be in Spain - regardless of who for.

[Pizy 18,453]

If, IF we sell Courtois (which I can't possibly see us doing) then I hope we bring in a keeper in the De Gea/Lloris/Neuer mould who's very comfortable passing it out from the back. Painful watching Courtois hoof the ball up to Ivanovic and fail over and over again for two seasons now. He basically gives the opposition free possession of the ball time and time again. 

Doesn't have to be a sweeper who takes dumb risks, but someone who doesn't flap and panic like Courtois does with the ball at his feet.

[Tomo 21,733]

Just seen MOTD2 from this weekend, and I wondered why the we should have kept Cech brigade have gone quiet, he was only beaten at his near post

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Storm in a teacup this. There is no way we will be looking to sell him this summer and it would be beyond cuntish from him to push for a move after what the club has done for him.

 

9 hours ago, Tomo said:

Just seen MOTD2 from this weekend, and I wondered why the we should have kept Cech brigade have gone quiet, he was only beaten at his near post

Petr has made mistakes for Arsenal this season, but he is still undoubtedly and objectively better than Thibaut. Not sure anyone can argue otherwise.

We didn't choose Thibaut over Petr based on skill, we chose based on a ten-year age difference and a hope that Thibuat will become better than Petr in the near future. 

[Stats 7,060]

11 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Storm in a teacup this. There is no way we will be looking to sell him this summer and it would be beyond cuntish from him to push for a move after what the club has done for him.

 

Petr has made mistakes for Arsenal this season, but he is still undoubtedly and objectively better than Thibaut. Not sure anyone can argue otherwise.

We didn't choose Thibaut over Petr based on skill, we chose based on a ten-year age difference and a hope that Thibuat will become better than Petr in the near future. 

No he is not. Courtois has been poor this season but let's not pretend before that most people thought Courtois should be our no.1 because he was up there with the best GK in the world after Neuer. And no Mourinho chose Courtois over Cech because he rated them both the same however Courtois was a lot younger. It is not because Cech was better with the hope that Courtois would be better than him in the future.

Why do you think Mourinho let players like Lukaku go? Because at the time he rated the likes of Eto'o and Costa as better strikers. However with Courtois and Cech, like he said himself, he rates them on par with each other. Let's not forget as well that at Atletico, Courtois was virtually faultess and Cech made a few mistakes here and I remember a lot of Chelsea fans were saying Courtois is better.

If you take this season away, I think Courtois is the better keeper. Cech makes way too many crucial errors. Not just this season as well. Can't see how you can say that it is a four gone conclusion that Cech is better. That is an opinion, no way a definite.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

6 minutes ago, Stats said:

No he is not. Courtois has been poor this season but let's not pretend before that most people thought Courtois should be our no.1 because he was up there with the best GK in the world after Neuer. And no Mourinho chose Courtois over Cech because he rated them both the same however Courtois was a lot younger. It is not because Cech was better with the hope that Courtois would be better than him in the future.

Why do you think Mourinho let players like Lukaku go? Because at the time he rated the likes of Eto'o and Costa as better strikers. However with Courtois and Cech, like he said himself, he rates them on par with each other. Let's not forget as well that at Atletico, Courtois was virtually faultess and Cech made a few mistakes here and I remember a lot of Chelsea fans were saying Courtois is better.

If you take this season away, I think Courtois is the better keeper. Cech makes way too many crucial errors. Not just this season as well. Can't see how you can say that it is a four gone conclusion that Cech is better. That is an opinion, no way a definite.

No one without blue tinted glasses ever thought that Thibaut was only second to Neuer in the world. 

I don't understand, what exactly had he done at Atletico that was so incredible? He had solid performances along with the odd great save. The clean sheets stats are for the entire team, not just him. I remember watching entire Atleti matches with Thibaut not having to deal with more than one shot on target all game. 

Jose didn't let Lukaku go, Romelu asked to leave. Also striker is VERY different than GK. Incomparable. 

On any account, in what areas do you think Thibaut is better than Petr? For me, while both can be prone to the occosional mistake, Petr is quite clearly better at organizing his defense, decision making (especially in 1vs1s), kicking, and positioning (the most important aspect for the goal keeper) while Thibaut is only better in the air. 

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21 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

No one without blue tinted glasses ever thought that Thibaut was only second to Neuer in the world. 

I don't understand, what exactly had he done at Atletico that was so incredible? He had solid performances along with the odd great save. The clean sheets stats are for the entire team, not just him. I remember watching entire Atleti matches with Thibaut not having to deal with more than one shot on target all game. 

Jose didn't let Lukaku go, Romelu asked to leave. Also striker is VERY different than GK. Incomparable. 

On any account, in what areas do you think Thibaut is better than Petr? For me, while both can be prone to the occosional mistake, Petr is quite clearly better at organizing his defense, decision making (especially in 1vs1s), kicking, and positioning (the most important aspect for the goal keeper) while Thibaut is only better in the air. 

To underestimate Courtois role in his part of Atletico winning the league is a mistake. He was a big factor. He may not have made the DDG type saves but he was such a huge commander of his area. For instance when we played them second leg whilst he was owned by us, he virtually caught every ball and just made his presence felt. Cech is not better than him in this department like you said.

Yes, but the whole point was that ultimately,Mourinho did not think Lukaku was on Costa and Eto's level. If he did, he would not have got Costa or Eto'o because Lukaku is a lot younger. Courtiois proved in his first season at us that the right decision was made for him to be our no.1.

I disagree about Cech being better at organizing his defence. I am not saying Courtois is great in this department but even to this day, Arsenal have struggled to structure their defence properly from set peices with Cech in goal and Cech has been at fault for those set peice goals they have conceded quite frequently. West Ham , Swansea games at Emirates etc.

And Courtois is as good at one on one saves as Cech is imo. The amount of time Courtois has redeemed us by making key one on one saves. Cech for me is more error prone as well. The amount of goals he let's in where a top keeper should be saving quite comfortably. Joel Ward's goal against Arsenal earlier in season at Selhurst. Zarate's goal at Emirates, Bolasie's goal at Emirates, virtually every single Southampton goal against Arsenal in their 4-0 demolition at St Mary's earlier in season. The Martina goal was just world class so I let him off that one. The other three were poor decision making from Cech.

To me they are on the same level really however I think we made the right decision.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

I think he's off this summer.  I'm okay with it, depending on the fee of course.  He's not irreplaceable and he's not as important for us as De Gea is for Utd.  I see Forster's name being thrown around, but I'd rather go for Butland if we were to go the English route.

I'd like Lloris but that's a pipe dream.  Ter Stegen would be a possible option for us, I think.

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On 23/04/2016 at 0:37 AM, CHOULO19 said:

No one without blue tinted glasses ever thought that Thibaut was only second to Neuer in the world. 

I don't understand, what exactly had he done at Atletico that was so incredible? He had solid performances along with the odd great save. The clean sheets stats are for the entire team, not just him. I remember watching entire Atleti matches with Thibaut not having to deal with more than one shot on target all game. 

Jose didn't let Lukaku go, Romelu asked to leave. Also striker is VERY different than GK. Incomparable. 

On any account, in what areas do you think Thibaut is better than Petr? For me, while both can be prone to the occosional mistake, Petr is quite clearly better at organizing his defense, decision making (especially in 1vs1s), kicking, and positioning (the most important aspect for the goal keeper) while Thibaut is only better in the air. 

Agree about Tibo but massively disagree about Lukaku.

Yes, Lukaku "asked to leave" but why did he do that? Was it because Jose thought that getting a 33 year old semi retired etoo from russia was better than trusting a player with lukaku's potential in a season where jose repeatedly said things like "We wont win the PL", "we have young eggs","we are small horses" and all the weird things that he said. 

[LondonsFinest 692]

I don't know, if I should post this here, but if Courtois to leave, someone help me with viable options:

Perrin, Forster, Butland, Leno, Horn, Donarumma? , Handanovic, Navas?, Rulli off the top of my head. Anyone else? 

[Tomo 21,733]

On 23/04/2016 at 8:07 PM, CHOULO19 said:

No one without blue tinted glasses ever thought that Thibaut was only second to Neuer in the world. 

I don't understand, what exactly had he done at Atletico that was so incredible? He had solid performances along with the odd great save. The clean sheets stats are for the entire team, not just him. I remember watching entire Atleti matches with Thibaut not having to deal with more than one shot on target all game. 

Jose didn't let Lukaku go, Romelu asked to leave. Also striker is VERY different than GK. Incomparable. 

On any account, in what areas do you think Thibaut is better than Petr? For me, while both can be prone to the occosional mistake, Petr is quite clearly better at organizing his defense, decision making (especially in 1vs1s), kicking, and positioning (the most important aspect for the goal keeper) while Thibaut is only better in the air. 

Then doesn't the same theory apply to Cech for his first six years the club? In fact the first time he had an awful defense infront of him (under AVB) it coincided with the worst form of his career.

Of course the defenders played a big part, but behind any top defense is a top keeper, look at Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra for example at United, with Van Der Sar behind them, they could play their natural game knowing that they have a top keeper behind them, any time Kusack played however they were less assured and panicked more, knowing the keeper wasn't as great.

If we lose Courtois and replace him with Forster, Butland or give Begovic the gig, we will quickly realse just how good we have had it with Cech and Courtois, the only keeper we could get near their level would be Keylor Navas so let's hope he goes Madrid if he does leave.

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3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Then doesn't the same theory apply to Cech for his first six years the club? In fact the first time he had an awful defense infront of him (under AVB) it coincided with the worst form of his career.

Of course the defenders played a big part, but behind any top defense is a top keeper, look at Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra for example at United, with Van Der Sar behind them, they could play their natural game knowing that they have a top keeper behind them, any time Kusack played however they were less assured and panicked more, knowing the keeper wasn't as great.

If we lose Courtois and replace him with Forster, Butland or give Begovic the gig, we will quickly realse just how good we have had it with Cech and Courtois, the only keeper we could get near their level would be Keylor Navas so let's hope he goes Madrid if he does leave.

But that's the difference, isn't it? Doing it consistently for six years is very different than one season. Also, during those seasons and the seasons after as well, Cech came up with some incredible performances like nothing we've seen from Thibaut so far.

I don't think we should sell Thibaut. Ridiculous thing to do. I was just saying that we had overrated him quite a lot when our fans were claiming that he was the best in the world, as was the case with Matic last season as well. 

[Captain Ahmed 528]

Our club is bigger than any player whatever their name(Courtois,Drake,Mr Bean,etc...). Dont' forget that.

[Essien19 1,415]

Don't sell him! He's more than capable of performing at another club and then it doesn't matter who is guarding the goal at Chelsea because the moaning will rise from the ashes.
We all have seen it before with Costa and Lukaku, no matter how many Costa's banging in, the crew will be out in full force at the slightest chance.
What happened at Chelsea will all be forgotten, that's classic TC , i guess.
 

 

 

[Atholy 1,293]

48 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Don't sell him! He's more than capable of performing at another club and then it doesn't matter who is guarding the goal at Chelsea because the moaning will rise from the ashes.
We all have seen it before with Costa and Lukaku, no matter how many Costa's banging in, the crew will be out in full force at the slightest chance.
What happened at Chelsea will all be forgotten, that's classic TC , i guess.
 

 

 

We would be really stupid if we would sell him!!!! He's a world class GK aged 23!

I miss real die hard football fans here on this forum. They would NEVER look at these things in short term. One lousy season... That sucks. But this will be forgotten in a glimpse very soon! It feels like TC is overfilled with SUCCESS fans who switch teams/forums like cars!