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Well it was a good talk. Thanks for the information. 
My belief in Jesus is because he was a historical person and because of the prophecy he fulfilled that was written 700 years before him. 
A good preaching about that from the church I go to here in Buffalo. From 27:20 and on. Since the first part is songs and what not. 
 
 

The only way of knowing that is when you die, your finally free from these 5 senses. The only problem that no one has any data of consciousness after death other then a man name Jesus that rose from the dead.
But other then that we can just theorize, speculate, because no one really knows. 
Now if the whole experience of Jesus is real (Which I believe is true), then it does shows that after we die we experience a consciousness that goes beyond the 5 senses we have. As right now we are limited to our human body to know anything else. After we die consciousness goes somewhere else (What we call soul and go to heave or hell in the Christian world).

You already being dead before you were incepted and were born - please share your experience when you were "finally free from these 5 senses".  I thought this was existential discussion, no?
You can believe in anything you want: Jesus, Superman, spaghetti flying monster, etc. But at the end, it's nothing but belief/dogma/axiome. 
I am not sure you comprehended my post, but it's OK.  
I appreciate your responses and please don't take my sarcasm as an insult.

I think Descartes was a deist (I am).  I gather from his writings that he did arrive to conclusion of existence of the Higher Being.  Originally an atheist, I did too - after studying physics, engineering, anatomy, biology.  I find all religions being dogmatic and not able to explain existence of God/Higher Being - more like a collection of fairy tales and instructions/directives.
The key principle that he derived is 'Cognito, ergo sum'  (I think, therefore I am), and it changed the course of Philosophy forever.  This principle permeates through all his writings.
From his 'Discourse on the Method':
Accordingly, seeing that our senses sometimes deceive us, I was willing to suppose that there existed nothing really such as they presented to us; And because some men err in reasoning, and fall into Paralogisms, even on the simplest matters of Geometry, I, convinced that I was as open to error as any other, rejected as false all the reasonings I had hitherto taken for Demonstrations; And finally, when I considered that the very same thoughts (presentations) which we experience when awake may also be experienced when we are asleep, while there is at that time not one of them true, I supposed that all the objects (presentations) that had ever entered into my mind when awake, had in them no more truth than the illusions of my dreams. But immediately upon this I observed that, whilst I thus wished to think that all was false, it was absolutely necessary that I, who thus thought, should be something; And as I observed that this truth, I think, therefore I am,[c] was so certain and of such evidence that no ground of doubt, however extravagant, could be alleged by the Sceptics capable of shaking it, I concluded that I might, without scruple, accept it as the first principle of the philosophy of which I was in search.[f][g]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum
 
The movie 'Matrix' in based on this.  We experience and make decisions in this world empirically based on our 5 senses, and how do we know that they don't lie to us?  Humans in pods had all their sensory signals fed with fake data.
 

The Scofield Bible—The Book That Made Zionists of America’s Evangelical Christians
https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html
“For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement.”
—The New Scofield Study Bible
Since it was first published in 1909, the Scofield Reference Bible has made uncompromising Zionists out of tens of millions of Americans. When John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), said that “50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians unite with five million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel,” it was the Scofield Bible that he was talking about.
Although the Scofield Reference Bible contains the text of the King James Authorized Version, it is not the traditional Protestant bible but Cyrus I. Scofield’s annotated commentary that is problematic. More than any other factor, it is Scofield’s notes that have induced generations of American evangelicals to believe that God demands their uncritical support for the modern State of Israel.
BLESSING ISRAEL, CURSING ITS CRITICS
Central to Christian Zionist belief is Scofield’s commentary (italicized below) on Genesis 12:3: “‘I will bless them that bless thee.’ In fulfillment closely related to the next clause, ‘And curse him that curseth thee.’ Wonderfully fulfilled in the history of the dispersion. It has invariably fared ill with the people who have persecuted the Jew—well with those who have protected him. The future will still more remarkably prove this principle.”
Drawing on Scofield’s rather tendentious interpretation, Hagee claims, “The man or nation that lifts a voice or hand against Israel invites the wrath of God.”
But as Stephen Sizer points out in his definitive critique, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? (available from AET’s Middle East Books and More “The promise, when referring to Abraham’s descendants, speaks of God blessing them, not of entire nations ‘blessing’ the Hebrew nation, still less the contemporary and secular State of Israel.”
Notwithstanding this more orthodox reading, The New Scofield Study Bible, published by Oxford University Press in 1984, intensified Scofield’s interpretation by adding, “For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement.”
“Sustained by a dubious exegesis of selective biblical texts,” Sizer concludes, “Christian Zionism’s particular reading of history and contemporary events...sets Israel and the Jewish people apart from other peoples in the Middle East...it justifies the endemic racism intrinsic to Zionism, exacerbates tensions between Jews and Palestinians and undermines attempts to find a peaceful resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, all because ‘the Bible tells them so.’”
THE INCREDIBLE SCOFIELD
In his 2008 book, The Rise of Israel: A History of a Revolutionary State, Jonathan R. Adelman describes the crucial support Israel receives from Christian fundamentalists as “totally fortuitous.” That assertion is belied, however, by the incredible career of the man who wrote “the Bible of Fundamentalism.”
Two years after Scofield’s reported conversion to Christianity in 1879, the Atchison Patriot was less than impressed. Describing the former Atchison resident as the “late lawyer, politician and shyster generally,” the article went on to recount a few of Scofield’s “many malicious acts.” These included a series of forgeries in St. Louis, for which he was sentenced to six months in jail.
Being a “born again” preacher did not preclude Scofield from becoming a member of an exclusive New York men’s club in 1901, either. In his devastating biography, The Incredible Scofield and His Book, Joseph M. Canfield suggests, “The admission of Scofield to the Lotus Club, which could not have been sought by Scofield, strengthens the suspicion that has cropped up before, that someone was directing the career of C.I. Scofield.”
That someone, Canfield suspects, was associated with one of the club’s committee members, the Wall Street lawyer Samuel Untermeyer. As Canfield intimates, Scofield’s theology was “most helpful in getting Fundamentalist Christians to back the international interest in one of Untermeyer’s pet projects—the Zionist Movement.”
Others have been even more explicit about the nature of Scofield’s service to the Zionist agenda. In “Unjust War Theory: Christian Zionism and the Road to Jerusalem,” Prof. David W. Lutz writes, “Untermeyer used Scofield, a Kansas City lawyer with no formal training in theology, to inject Zionist ideas into American Protestantism. Untermeyer and other wealthy and influential Zionists whom he introduced to Scofield promoted and funded the latter’s career, including travel in Europe.”
On one of these European trips, Oxford University Press publisher Henry Frowde “expressed immediate interest” in Scofield’s project. According to a biography of Frowde, although the OUP publisher was “[n]ot demonstrative in his religious views, all his Christian life he was associated with brethren known as ‘Exclusive.’” The “Exclusive Brethren” refers to the group of Christian evangelicals that, in an 1848 split in the Plymouth Brethren, followed John Nelson Darby, the Anglo-Irish missionary generally considered to have been the most influential figure in the development of Christian Zionism, and a major influence on Scofield.
SCOFIELD’S LEGACY
Had the Scofield Bible never been published, American presidents influenced by Christian Zionism such as Truman, Johnson, Reagan and George W. Bush might have been less sympathetic to Israeli demands, and consequently more attentive to U.S. interests. Moreover, the American people could have been spared the pseudo-Christian rants of John Hagee, Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell, not to mention the lucrative End Times Rapture “prophecy” peddled by Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.
But it is the people of the Middle East who have been most affected by an expansionist Israel emboldened by the unswerving allegiance of Christian Zionists led to believe that Scofield’s words are God’s will. Not least among the many victims of the Scofield Bible are 5 million Palestinian refugees whose right to return is fervently opposed by America’s Zionized Christians. Thanks to their indoctrination by Scofield’s unholy book, they believe that Palestine belongs not to the Palestinians—many of whom are fellow Christians—but exclusively to “God’s chosen people.” 

I started reading. I'm going to print it out to read everything with ease today. I will get back to you once I finish reading everything. 

I am glad we are on the same page.   Here is something you may find interesting.  This treatise did change my life back in 90s:
https://yale.learningu.org/download/041e9642-df02-4eed-a895-70e472df2ca4/H2665_Descartes' Meditations.pdf

No
Yes

Uncanny - was looking that up today as well 😀

No, you made a statement and your Wikipedia 112 'sources' are shit, so retract.

I got it, bunch of BS from mainstream media, got real sources?

One of the only ones giving a fuck.

Our ‘project’ will go down as the worse project to ever be undertaken in high level sports. This is utterly braindead from top to bottom. 

From Cech with Cudicini as backup and Courtois out on loan waiting to get his chance, to this shit

10 experienced, proven managers who are all vastly better than Maresca, all of whom he could have made MAJOR efforts to get at one point or the other
Diego Simeone
Zinedine Zidane (probably would have been impossible)
Hansi Flick
Julian Nagelsmann
Gian Piero Gasperini
Xavi Hernandez
Simone Inzaghi
Unai Emery
Xabi Alonso
Thomas Tuchel (could have kept him)

During the live coverage after the Haaland goal, you could see Enzo F. doing a facepalm in reaction to Sanchez. Other angles now showing Enzo being absolutely baffled by Sanchez and asking him what the fuck he is doing.
Even the players have had enough of this goalie!! A fucking snake ruining the results and destroying the changing room. And the coach keeps fucking defending him. Piss off

Maresca's reputation is becoming that of a gaslighter.
I do not give a toss about Sanchez and his fucking feelings
He can fuck off to Turkey or some other shit league

Try this:
https://soccerfullmatch.com/premier-league/wolverhampton-wanderers-vs-Chelsea-2024-08-25#tab_ch1

In less than a year this guy went from no place in City to Chelsea best player, young player of the season in PL, most goal involvements in PL last season and to go to EURO and become biggest hope for England fans among all these 100m players... What a season 👏 

Poch is enraged at the fighting over the pen, he is saying Cole is THE pen taker, and only if he wants to let someone else take one should he not be taking the pens

Conor was motm easy. Was one of the better players alongside Gusto in the first.
Sterling did well in the last two plays to be fair. Great pass into space for Palmer's counter.

😮‍💨 😮‍💨 😮‍💨
 

At least he seems to be in one piece. Looked horrible tbh. 

That was on Cucu though. Awful corner and then played their counter

I'm really tired of watching us get fucked over by officials.