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Tried saying that before we got him but many argued because they were desperate to see Sarri out without fully understanding the comprehension of appointing another novice particularly after how Villas-Boas did here, who again like Frank had prior ties to the club albeit different roles and different levels. The club inevitably didn’t intend in committing to Sarri towards the end despite the fact we were unbeaten in like 17 of the last 20 games and were starting to look a bit better as a team. Lets not pretend their was any chance the board were going to fight to keep him so the club gambled with Frank which resulted in losing another season and a half to make real progress really (although the youngsters are the only positive out of this as well as the signings we made this summer despite their mixed returns). Heres hoping TT is here for the long haul. And by long hall, I mean over 18 months. Thats the magic number in management now in terms of spells in charge so lets hope he can get a new deal and keeps building on what he’s already done in a short space od time. I think he’s the right man and the club should give him a new deal at the end of the season, particularly if he gets a trophy win.

Are you serious? Take your head out of your arse.... if a team finishes in a CL spot they deserve to play CL. Thats how competition works. If you don’t like it maybe find another sport. Its like saying whats the point in us winning the title with Jose and then with Conte as the seasons after each of those we finished miles off the pace. And that would also spit in the face of Leicester’s amazing achievement back when they won the league, which was an absolutely huge, historical moment. Bully tactics? The Super League could have potentially derailed 3 of the major domestic leagues, the CL and all the divisions underneath each domestic leagues. By the way these clubs not giving into the PL and the demands of the fans who undoubtedly want change also at board level after they basically tried to strong arm the leagues and UEFA into giving them want they wanted by saying they had the intentions of joining a super league, would be an absolute joke. Its a good job fans cannot get into the stadiums because there will still be huge fall out to the end of the season and probably for a period during the summer to the new season starts because of this.

Bruce Buck is one name. He didnt solely decide the Super League was a good idea, a collection of people did at board level. They should all go. Also most of that statement is a joke. An absolute joke. “Due to time constraints” fuck off you spineless cunts you’ve been meeting with the other clubs regarding this for years, there has been plenty opportunities to get the fans opinions on it, as a hypothetical idea, same as the players and managers opinions. Embarrassing. Changes must be made.

Well thats if he makes it through the game v Betis unscathed. Wouldn’t be surprised, everytime hes gotten fit at Madrid hes got injured not long after 😂

Only blackmark people may hold against her now, is the ESL initial decision, seeing as she would of been involved in that decision you’d think as the director of the club. But that’s understandable.

Ceferin has called Agnelli everything under the sun in the last 2/3 days, I think that bridge is burned. Rumours are he is also considering resigning from Juventus heavily after this. Tbf if Juventus come out of the super league, if they want their say to be heard now they may need to remove that gobshite from his position and appoint someone else. Same with all these clubs. These guys are effectively tainted now. Woodward is the first to go, Agnelli could be next, dont rule out changes in the 6 PL clubs board rooms yet either. Fans are definitely not happy in other leagues, don’t know where you heard that they are quiet from. Particularly Spain where they have always been fed up of Perez and his constant scheming and plotting. It is disappointing that its money orientated again but not breaking off and keeping the CL and domestic leagues is a step in the right direction. I do not like the reform though again it gives more assurances and opportunities to bigger clubs, the fact that the likes of clubs like Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, PSV etc. will undoubtedly get shafted for money is not ideal. Its again based on reputation and UEFA coefficient. I don’t believe anyone who doesnt finish in the top slots to qualify for the CL in all the corresponding leagues should have to risk missing out because Arsenal and Spurs had bad seasons. Or Roma or whoever: Or clubs like Celtic in the past had to play 3/4 rounds of qualification despite winning the league trophy. It will come into play in 2024 and I would think there will be more changes proppsed prior to that. I mean I get the bigger leagues having more slots maybe but why should 4th place in a PL warrant an automatic qualification spot ahead of actual league champions in some countries!? Why not make 4th place teams play off against other teams who are in qualification places in other leagues prior? Your still going to have the spectacle of big games but your also going to manage to fairly include some of these clubs who are winners and get fucked over so 4/5th place teams can get in for nothing.

Lot of rumours of a god knows pages long document. Graeme Souness mentioned it on sky also IIRC. And also the process to get this off the ground and in motion would have required more than a letter of intent you’d think? Who knows, anyway if we get out unscathed and it buries this super league shit once and for all its all that matters. Now just to reform the CL in a way that also does the clubs who win leagues in Scotland, Holland, Austria etc a favour should be the next step. Hopefully this can be the kick start of UEFA trying to make amends and reintroduce these clubs to the fold in these roles, big clubs like Ajax, Celtic, Rangers historically speaking, have had to go through 3/4 rounds of qualification to get into the CL despite winning their domestic trophies. All it would take is for them to give the top leagues champions and maybe 2 other places CL spots. This guarantees for big clubs who finish 4th in England, Spain, Germany, Italy or whatever is a bit of a joke also whilst we are being completely honest and transparent about making football fair for others.

Still has to be repercussions for the clubs. Be it heavy fines or whatever. And also internally the clubs need to sort their shit out. Cant kick us out of competitions now this season which is good but I wouldn’t be surprised if they still pushed to try ban all 12 teams in next seasons CL. Or do something to send a message. Plus there will inevitably be money exchanged to get out this super league. Theres no way a 23 year commitment agreement that is “legally binding” can just be walked out of After a change of heart.

Yes win midfield battles more he would of helped. I certainly don’t underestimate Kante’s role as he is a world class player on his day still but we didn’t win tonight because he didn’t play. Its all good winning the back and getting to the final third but that’s when your players need to make the difference. I imagine you seen how many folk were slagging how many times Kante gave the ball away v City too at the weekend/how many attacks he messed up in the match thread when it was on going 😂 or even participated... And again, you were talking about counter pressing as if its the only means of creating transitions or chances.... Tuchel just said our counter pressing wasn’t good in the post match, talking about us as a team, not Mount or Jorginho or whoever you think Kante would of played ahead of. I mean do you think one guy would of compensated for the other 10 not being up to the intensity or the team not counter pressing effective? It only works when everyone pulls their weight and go together when the press is triggered. We weren’t at it tonight and pretty much created 0 chances with over 120m worth of attacking players in our front three. Kante or no Kante we would of drew that game. I do agree Mount deeper in a 2 wasn’t a good move, you want him higher up in the half spaces looking to take the ball on the half turn and link the attack. Maybe just to deflect. He’s not happy with the performance though and I would expect a response the next game. We seen it after Wolves, after Leeds and after West Brom. We need to as we cant afford to drop any more points now when teams around drop them.

Fully agree. With regards to Ziyech and Pulisic I was disappointed but it was a tough game and you cannot play well every game. Mason played deeper and maybe it wasn’t great in a 2 either as it restricts him getting into those pockets and being the player most likely to link midfield and attack as he has done in previous games. The obvious shit surrounding ESL obviously affected the players maybe and Tuchel just said on sky he felt we were maybe distracted and maybe tired but ultimately he seems disappointed and reckons we did not deserve to win.

Aye, in theory thats how it works. Correct. Throwing it out there as if it would of definitely done so isn’t a guarantee. Even more so saying one man would make the difference it relies on the whole team working together as a unit for it to work. The way your talking about it is as if Kante is winning the ball back from 11 players himself... counter pressing, its a team effort and tonight the intensity wasn’t there from most of of our players so it likely would of still been ineffective.

Kante would of covered the gaps and maybe tightened us up in midfield but he wouldn’t have contributed a great deal more in offensive actions. Offensive players have to do better indeed but even then the intent didn’t look there, you can get games where your plugging away and the final ball is just never right but you get a lucky break or a shot deflecting in or you cause a mistake etc as we seen for Chilly’s goal v Porto but we didn’t even do enough to get that. Tuchel will not be happy for sure. The line up wasn't that bad to start with tbf the issue was more the teams application.

Not a great game. Not ideal but again, the changes made and this teams lack of finding a way to win when not playing great, we need to find this extra edge or force this extra break of the ball or piece of luck or whatever. Big 2 points dropped. Still 5 or 6 games though dont throw the towel in yet.

wouldn’t go that far bud how many beers you on? Wasnt great but seen worse.

Yeah fully agree. If its binding and they go ahead with the league and we dont join/get out, there will be some sort of action from them. Unfortunately the clubs stupidity in joining in the first place now has potentially damned us either way.

Dont get me wrong I am ecstatic we are leaving it but we still need to see now. And there should still be repercussions of some sort, particularly at board level. These contracts if legally binding were 23 year commitments. Thats not going to be easy to back out off and it potentially risks the super league if they go ahead, which hopefully they wont, seeking retribution for breaking these contracts. Lets hope they weren’t legally binding but I would imagine most of these sort of things are more than likely. The other teams fans and players meed to keep going, everyone still has to do their bit.

Because people go through flavour of the month and they think that because someone else is being talked about as this or that they discover another player it automatically degrades the quality of everyone else 😂 I mean remember the fuss around us signing Higuain and not Piatek? Ironically haven’t heard anyone mention him since. Sule’s been pretty much a nailed on regular for Bayern and Germany since going there, you dont do that if your a poor player. His injuries were unlucky but hes fully recovered and for 30 m would be a steal aye.

Brighton looking hard to break down. I think the changes has maybe also disrupted the team. Could do with Gilmour/Kante and Hudson-Odoi for one of the front three and James. Push Mount higher.

James delivery not great there. Sometimes just need to do something different, the application is good though just the final product.

Well good to see we want to leave, never should of been in the first place, an abomination to the fans and other clubs. Heres hoping others follow.

They have a real cheek to be nervous and disappointed about how its being handled. And “this is not what we signed up for?”, whoever said that should be ashamed. They knew what they were doing. They had to, they didn’t spend 2 years discussing this and planning it without expecting any backlash, they didn’t take the opinions of the managers, players or fans... so they were obviously anticipating backlash or they wouldn’t have been meeting up and discussing this in secret behind UEFA, FIFA, various footballing associations, coaches, players and their fans backs. I mean what did they expect everyone else to let them 12 clubs fuck them over out of sheer greed? These poor 12 clubs....

But is it really difficult? Were they really backed into a corner? We are talking about some of the most powerful business men and women on the planet. Roman Abramovich has a net worth of 14.9 billion dollars for fuck sake. Do people think he got the success he has had from his businesses or organisations by being backed into a corner by other people? Or do people think he managed to acquire this club when many didn’t want/weren’t sure of him taking over because they were unsure of his intentions by being backed into a corner? Use your head. Think about the magnitude of what you have just said. These are some of the richest businessmen and women on the planet. They shouldn’t panic if they believe something isn’t right, as we and City reportedly did. They are calculated highly intelligent people who didn’t get to where they are or build these clubs to the level they did by doing what they felt wasn’t right. They seen the financial gains and put that ahead of their fans, their employees and ultimately the governing organisations the clubs comply with (regardless of what people feel about them). They weren’t backed into a corner they knew full well what they were doing, the fact a board member from a top 6 PL club has been quoted saying the wider good of the game is a secondary concern is as alarming as it comes. The fan backlash wasn’t there they’d still do it even if it is wrong, 1 million times over. You keep saying who wants to watch this or that if these teams aren't in it etc but the impression I get of anybody who would prefer to watch a super league that has 12 teams who cannot be relegated or changed (they want 15) which if it goes ahead is likely going to be the only football these teams play, is a moron and should go watch NFL or something else in that format. Think about it. If UEFA, FIFA, the domestic FAs all oppose it still and do their sanctions, straight away you lose the lure of players cause they will want to play internationally which is bigger than people give credit for. I mean ask Ngolo Kante and Oliver Giroud what it felt like to win the world cup, they will say it is the greatest sporting achievements of their career 10000%. Ask Leo Messi what his biggest regret in his career is and it will be losing the 2014 world cup final. There will only be 25-30 games a season which is about 50% leas than we get just now. It will be much more expensive more than likely to go see your team play away games. Plus the tv rights for these games will blow anything Sky and BT have paid for the PL games of current out of the water by a mile. US and Saudi countries offered them already. Also especially more so if they’d prefer to watch that instead of an actual footballing league with a proper competitive edge and footballing pyramid that allows for clubs to come in, grow over a period of time etc and challenge the established order of the top clubs. I would say they are basically these types of fans who are only interested in these big games and come out of the woodwork when these are on but then disappear when the smaller games are around, basically the jumping on the bandwagon types. Or secret fans. These would be fans who don’t understand the tradition of these leagues or the clubs or the local rivalries and what they mean. Even then, talking about breaking the leagues established order, I mean who wasn't rooting for Leicester that season they won the league when it started to look very possible because one of our big rivals may have won it if not? Those stories will be non existent with this super league. These 12 teams will be able to open up such a gap that it will literally mean that the gap between the clubs outside these teams in their countries is only going to get severely bigger and bigger. I mean even then you have to earn the right to win leagues, qualify for the CL, EL etc. If you don’t and you get automatically accepted into it there is no merit, no sense of achievement, why anyone would want to follow these 12 clubs in the future would be beyond me ahead of other clubs in other leagues. If the CL and domestic leagues stay, the bigger more historical trophies, people will value those more than some American funded super league for a Micky Mouse cup. Regardless of who’s in it because history and the tradition of these trophies dictate that they are major achievements and mean something to generations of fans. Even the current CL format finishing 4th to get into the CL is wrong and money driven but this Super League is well beyond that. This essentially means 12 clubs don’t need to have a competitive edge to maintain their status or increase their financial gain. If people cant see how on top of everything else this is moronic then I really am struggling to see how they manage to go about their day to day lives. It actually infuriates me that there will be a small percentage of football fans who are for this and cannot see what is happening directly in front of them or choose not to because they will see us play Real Madrid or Barcelona or Inter Milan in glorified exhibition friendlies. Or because their already multi billion pound club will get richer. Its absolutely baffling. The PSG president refusing that role was confirmed earlier. But is still fully committed to the ECA and their reforms for the CL. Not to mention he owns a tv broadcasting station beIN Sports who have huge deals for tv rights with the CL and also heavily involved with the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid so I don’t think he’d be stupid enough to go back on their stance. Its a hard watch when you see a club like PSG, who have been accused and beaten with a stick by supporters of various clubs over the years, such as ours, Citys, Uniteds, Arsenals, Spurs among however many other clubs in the Super League, stand their ground for the good of football. It really is. Presumption was they would join and hats off to them for not. If only the other clubs had the same respect for their fans.

Hope tomorrow he and the players slam it in the post match though, like Klopp, like Milner, like Bamford. As they should do if they feel that way, which I would imagine most will. We know need clubs players and managers to step up around the world to show that they dont want this.

Well if it is legally binding, getting out of it as we and City are meant to be reportedly considering, although now who knows if anyone is actually considering that, will probably be an absolute fucking disaster as well. Is it not meant to be a 23 year commitment apparently? Any club trying to get out of that will end up bankrupt if it is binding as Perez says. Or end up not being able to get out. Which will lead to the sanctions FIFA, UEFA, the FA have said they will seek. This being backed into a corner doesn’t mean anything though or should it save us and City from any criticism, end of the day it was still the club’s decision to sign up for it. I mean we could have said no like Bayern, PSG, Dortmund and Porto did. Theres been huge mentions of we had doubts, City had doubts. If you have doubts, don’t jump head first into something like this, a league that could end up fracturing football all over the world., even for all the money on offer.. its not exactly difficult.

Well if the players and managers don’t kick up a fuss that they might get expelled from the CL here, at Real and at City, the owners probably wont take notice bar the money not going into their pockets also. If they don’t care about what the fans think, why would you assume they’d care how the players felt? Fair or unfair whatever way you look at it, UEFA, FIFA and the FAs have thrown down what will happen so if the clubs don’t turn away from it, it will happen. And for the good of the game I hope they do. If those organisations back down now then it will just get even worse. Players and managers have to take a stance and cannot just be bystanders like the spineless muppets in the boardroom here and at City who felt it wasn’t right but still agreed to go for it out of the fear of missing out. Also if we get expelled from this by Friday like is being predicted, I hope people will understand why its happening and that it will be deserved for the clubs actions. It might not happen but the clubs have signed a letter of intent. That is enough of a statement that they intend to join it and they should be punished for that alone as the repercussions it will have globally for the sport is unfathomable. Cant delay it because it hasn’t started yet. They should hammer all 12 clubs in whatever way they can as we’ve discussed and kicking them out the CL this season whilst maybe unfair for the players at these clubs, isn’t completely severe enough either on its own. That wee Spanish sap can sit and say all he wants regarding the super league but I tend to think UEFA, FIFA, the footballing associations of various countries and governments who all have the same idea will be more difficult to convince than many people think. Plus football clubs dont like bad PR and oh boy are they going to continue to get it for the foreseeable. So it may come back to it doesn’t go ahead but if it doesn’t the ones who want out or have shown the intentions initially should be punished as it stands.