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Fully agree. With regards to Ziyech and Pulisic I was disappointed but it was a tough game and you cannot play well every game. Mason played deeper and maybe it wasn’t great in a 2 either as it restricts him getting into those pockets and being the player most likely to link midfield and attack as he has done in previous games. The obvious shit surrounding ESL obviously affected the players maybe and Tuchel just said on sky he felt we were maybe distracted and maybe tired but ultimately he seems disappointed and reckons we did not deserve to win.

Aye, in theory thats how it works. Correct. Throwing it out there as if it would of definitely done so isn’t a guarantee. Even more so saying one man would make the difference it relies on the whole team working together as a unit for it to work. The way your talking about it is as if Kante is winning the ball back from 11 players himself... counter pressing, its a team effort and tonight the intensity wasn’t there from most of of our players so it likely would of still been ineffective.

Kante would of covered the gaps and maybe tightened us up in midfield but he wouldn’t have contributed a great deal more in offensive actions. Offensive players have to do better indeed but even then the intent didn’t look there, you can get games where your plugging away and the final ball is just never right but you get a lucky break or a shot deflecting in or you cause a mistake etc as we seen for Chilly’s goal v Porto but we didn’t even do enough to get that. Tuchel will not be happy for sure. The line up wasn't that bad to start with tbf the issue was more the teams application.

Not a great game. Not ideal but again, the changes made and this teams lack of finding a way to win when not playing great, we need to find this extra edge or force this extra break of the ball or piece of luck or whatever. Big 2 points dropped. Still 5 or 6 games though dont throw the towel in yet.

wouldn’t go that far bud how many beers you on? Wasnt great but seen worse.

Yeah fully agree. If its binding and they go ahead with the league and we dont join/get out, there will be some sort of action from them. Unfortunately the clubs stupidity in joining in the first place now has potentially damned us either way.

Dont get me wrong I am ecstatic we are leaving it but we still need to see now. And there should still be repercussions of some sort, particularly at board level. These contracts if legally binding were 23 year commitments. Thats not going to be easy to back out off and it potentially risks the super league if they go ahead, which hopefully they wont, seeking retribution for breaking these contracts. Lets hope they weren’t legally binding but I would imagine most of these sort of things are more than likely. The other teams fans and players meed to keep going, everyone still has to do their bit.

Because people go through flavour of the month and they think that because someone else is being talked about as this or that they discover another player it automatically degrades the quality of everyone else 😂 I mean remember the fuss around us signing Higuain and not Piatek? Ironically haven’t heard anyone mention him since. Sule’s been pretty much a nailed on regular for Bayern and Germany since going there, you dont do that if your a poor player. His injuries were unlucky but hes fully recovered and for 30 m would be a steal aye.

Brighton looking hard to break down. I think the changes has maybe also disrupted the team. Could do with Gilmour/Kante and Hudson-Odoi for one of the front three and James. Push Mount higher.

James delivery not great there. Sometimes just need to do something different, the application is good though just the final product.

Well good to see we want to leave, never should of been in the first place, an abomination to the fans and other clubs. Heres hoping others follow.

They have a real cheek to be nervous and disappointed about how its being handled. And “this is not what we signed up for?”, whoever said that should be ashamed. They knew what they were doing. They had to, they didn’t spend 2 years discussing this and planning it without expecting any backlash, they didn’t take the opinions of the managers, players or fans... so they were obviously anticipating backlash or they wouldn’t have been meeting up and discussing this in secret behind UEFA, FIFA, various footballing associations, coaches, players and their fans backs. I mean what did they expect everyone else to let them 12 clubs fuck them over out of sheer greed? These poor 12 clubs....

But is it really difficult? Were they really backed into a corner? We are talking about some of the most powerful business men and women on the planet. Roman Abramovich has a net worth of 14.9 billion dollars for fuck sake. Do people think he got the success he has had from his businesses or organisations by being backed into a corner by other people? Or do people think he managed to acquire this club when many didn’t want/weren’t sure of him taking over because they were unsure of his intentions by being backed into a corner? Use your head. Think about the magnitude of what you have just said. These are some of the richest businessmen and women on the planet. They shouldn’t panic if they believe something isn’t right, as we and City reportedly did. They are calculated highly intelligent people who didn’t get to where they are or build these clubs to the level they did by doing what they felt wasn’t right. They seen the financial gains and put that ahead of their fans, their employees and ultimately the governing organisations the clubs comply with (regardless of what people feel about them). They weren’t backed into a corner they knew full well what they were doing, the fact a board member from a top 6 PL club has been quoted saying the wider good of the game is a secondary concern is as alarming as it comes. The fan backlash wasn’t there they’d still do it even if it is wrong, 1 million times over. You keep saying who wants to watch this or that if these teams aren't in it etc but the impression I get of anybody who would prefer to watch a super league that has 12 teams who cannot be relegated or changed (they want 15) which if it goes ahead is likely going to be the only football these teams play, is a moron and should go watch NFL or something else in that format. Think about it. If UEFA, FIFA, the domestic FAs all oppose it still and do their sanctions, straight away you lose the lure of players cause they will want to play internationally which is bigger than people give credit for. I mean ask Ngolo Kante and Oliver Giroud what it felt like to win the world cup, they will say it is the greatest sporting achievements of their career 10000%. Ask Leo Messi what his biggest regret in his career is and it will be losing the 2014 world cup final. There will only be 25-30 games a season which is about 50% leas than we get just now. It will be much more expensive more than likely to go see your team play away games. Plus the tv rights for these games will blow anything Sky and BT have paid for the PL games of current out of the water by a mile. US and Saudi countries offered them already. Also especially more so if they’d prefer to watch that instead of an actual footballing league with a proper competitive edge and footballing pyramid that allows for clubs to come in, grow over a period of time etc and challenge the established order of the top clubs. I would say they are basically these types of fans who are only interested in these big games and come out of the woodwork when these are on but then disappear when the smaller games are around, basically the jumping on the bandwagon types. Or secret fans. These would be fans who don’t understand the tradition of these leagues or the clubs or the local rivalries and what they mean. Even then, talking about breaking the leagues established order, I mean who wasn't rooting for Leicester that season they won the league when it started to look very possible because one of our big rivals may have won it if not? Those stories will be non existent with this super league. These 12 teams will be able to open up such a gap that it will literally mean that the gap between the clubs outside these teams in their countries is only going to get severely bigger and bigger. I mean even then you have to earn the right to win leagues, qualify for the CL, EL etc. If you don’t and you get automatically accepted into it there is no merit, no sense of achievement, why anyone would want to follow these 12 clubs in the future would be beyond me ahead of other clubs in other leagues. If the CL and domestic leagues stay, the bigger more historical trophies, people will value those more than some American funded super league for a Micky Mouse cup. Regardless of who’s in it because history and the tradition of these trophies dictate that they are major achievements and mean something to generations of fans. Even the current CL format finishing 4th to get into the CL is wrong and money driven but this Super League is well beyond that. This essentially means 12 clubs don’t need to have a competitive edge to maintain their status or increase their financial gain. If people cant see how on top of everything else this is moronic then I really am struggling to see how they manage to go about their day to day lives. It actually infuriates me that there will be a small percentage of football fans who are for this and cannot see what is happening directly in front of them or choose not to because they will see us play Real Madrid or Barcelona or Inter Milan in glorified exhibition friendlies. Or because their already multi billion pound club will get richer. Its absolutely baffling. The PSG president refusing that role was confirmed earlier. But is still fully committed to the ECA and their reforms for the CL. Not to mention he owns a tv broadcasting station beIN Sports who have huge deals for tv rights with the CL and also heavily involved with the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid so I don’t think he’d be stupid enough to go back on their stance. Its a hard watch when you see a club like PSG, who have been accused and beaten with a stick by supporters of various clubs over the years, such as ours, Citys, Uniteds, Arsenals, Spurs among however many other clubs in the Super League, stand their ground for the good of football. It really is. Presumption was they would join and hats off to them for not. If only the other clubs had the same respect for their fans.

Hope tomorrow he and the players slam it in the post match though, like Klopp, like Milner, like Bamford. As they should do if they feel that way, which I would imagine most will. We know need clubs players and managers to step up around the world to show that they dont want this.

Well if it is legally binding, getting out of it as we and City are meant to be reportedly considering, although now who knows if anyone is actually considering that, will probably be an absolute fucking disaster as well. Is it not meant to be a 23 year commitment apparently? Any club trying to get out of that will end up bankrupt if it is binding as Perez says. Or end up not being able to get out. Which will lead to the sanctions FIFA, UEFA, the FA have said they will seek. This being backed into a corner doesn’t mean anything though or should it save us and City from any criticism, end of the day it was still the club’s decision to sign up for it. I mean we could have said no like Bayern, PSG, Dortmund and Porto did. Theres been huge mentions of we had doubts, City had doubts. If you have doubts, don’t jump head first into something like this, a league that could end up fracturing football all over the world., even for all the money on offer.. its not exactly difficult.

Well if the players and managers don’t kick up a fuss that they might get expelled from the CL here, at Real and at City, the owners probably wont take notice bar the money not going into their pockets also. If they don’t care about what the fans think, why would you assume they’d care how the players felt? Fair or unfair whatever way you look at it, UEFA, FIFA and the FAs have thrown down what will happen so if the clubs don’t turn away from it, it will happen. And for the good of the game I hope they do. If those organisations back down now then it will just get even worse. Players and managers have to take a stance and cannot just be bystanders like the spineless muppets in the boardroom here and at City who felt it wasn’t right but still agreed to go for it out of the fear of missing out. Also if we get expelled from this by Friday like is being predicted, I hope people will understand why its happening and that it will be deserved for the clubs actions. It might not happen but the clubs have signed a letter of intent. That is enough of a statement that they intend to join it and they should be punished for that alone as the repercussions it will have globally for the sport is unfathomable. Cant delay it because it hasn’t started yet. They should hammer all 12 clubs in whatever way they can as we’ve discussed and kicking them out the CL this season whilst maybe unfair for the players at these clubs, isn’t completely severe enough either on its own. That wee Spanish sap can sit and say all he wants regarding the super league but I tend to think UEFA, FIFA, the footballing associations of various countries and governments who all have the same idea will be more difficult to convince than many people think. Plus football clubs dont like bad PR and oh boy are they going to continue to get it for the foreseeable. So it may come back to it doesn’t go ahead but if it doesn’t the ones who want out or have shown the intentions initially should be punished as it stands.

Its not fair on the fans but its not fair on everybody else at other clubs so whatever the circumstances of the clubs actions are we just have to take it on the chin. I hope for the good of the game that UEFA, FIFA, the FA don’t compromise hugely or at all though. Its only fair on the countless other teams and fans all around the globe. Once they start compromising to these clubs when will they stop?

Well what else would you propose for a strong stance from UEFA? Banning them from a competition they have no intention of being in next season, as the super league is effectively in their eyes the replacement for the CL, would be stupid beyond belief so I don’t know what else people want them to do?

Handball surely?

It may not be fair for players/managers or maybe doesn’t seem to show any integrity or whatever but the clubs actions are worthy of these sanctions if you like it or not. Theres no debate. If we weren’t involved I think you’d be less inclined to disagree. We have to look at this impartially.

Well again though, is it fair that clubs like West Ham, Leicester City, Wolfsburg, Eintracht Frankfurt, Atalanta, could end up playing in a CL that is depleted due to these 12 clubs leaving? Or even worse if it replaced the CL completely never be able to get in to it based on merit? Its not just about 12 clubs. Its about the countless others who will also get affected by this. If we don’t back track and they kick us, City and Real out we really cannot complain. They said they would do these things so if they do after we’ve been warned I don’t know what your expecting. Regardless of it ifs fair on managers or players or not, they’ve gave their warning alongside the FA and then throw in the fans views on it, that should of been enough for the clubs. Ultimately these owners should have thought about it before agreeing to join it in the first place and even more so now after they’ve warned about it.I hope they do to send a message. I really do. Don’t want to see us kicked out obviously but in terms of maintaining the integrity of the sport it is absolutely necessarily they set extreme examples. I mean what do you think UEFA should let us off because it wasn’t decided by the manager and players? Really? What sort of example is that going to set? We are talking about 12 clubs forming a super league, not a wee incident or situation. This is going to change football forever and if FIFA, UEFA, the FAs aren’t strong they will become even more irrelevant in the future.

Incredible. They will get pumped by City.

But these players are part of these clubs owned by these owners. You cannot just punish the owners, it maybe isn’t fair on players or fans but its half a message if they say only fined the clubs. I mean, cmon they are all getting €3.5 billion between them for joining this super league and are owned by multi billionaire owners/organisations who have went against their initial promise of developing and restructuring the CL. A fine will be nothing and if they were to make it more severe like the €60 billion figure UEFA are seeming against them which has been mentioned by various outlets, it will go to court and be knocked down to a lesser fee thus doing nothing again. Fines alone are not going to do anything. Will have the same effect of UEFA fining clubs when they are involved with racist incidents, it does nothing. They need to be stern. Players aren’t directly guilty but kicking them out then means clubs have to explain themselves/deal with the coaches or players who weren’t consulted or probably don’t support it, which they should do. This decisions made did not take their work into account or what it could do. These 12 clubs deserve everything they get and if they kick us, City and Real out, which for the good of football I hope they do, then these greedy owners are the ones who will have millions of questions to answers from fans and players alike. You said about fairness. Is it fair these clubs want to break up 3 huge domestic leagues? Which will have huge effects on clubs through their football pyramids in several countries? In a pandemic when clubs are going bust? Nothing is fair in this. But UEFA, FIFA, footballing associations for Spain, England and Italy, they have to be strong. If they kick us out nobody can complain. It will have deservedly been brought on by the owners. No but they jumped into it out of fear of being left behind despite having initial concerns of it. Its embarrassing and backtracking wont improve their public image or how fans feel about it. If fans were ok with it, they would go ahead with it 100%, despite it still being incredibly wrong. They should have known but they didnt. Theres no excuses for everyone involved in the decision making progress and they should be held accountable for their actions, Roman included.

And FIFA, UEFA etc can surely also sue the clubs no? Any club who does get kicked out has a real cheek to sue them for this. They made their bed the minute they put their name to this idea, they have to lie in it now. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a reality check

True but what is the best way to hurt a clubs owners than kick them out a competition that if they win they get a 100m prize from? Or strip their titles? Or ban them from being in domestic leagues? Aye it is not fair on fans or players but shouldn’t clubs owners not have thought about this before agreeing to it? When it was obviously going to be objected to? Thats why fans and players should be going to clubs and asking what the fuck is going on? There can be no half measures. Even the stripping titles point Gary Neville made yesterday. They should consider it. Send a message. No club or collection of clubs is bigger than FIFA, UEFA or their domestic leagues footballing associations. If they are talking about sending an instant message its the only way. If they back down now people will just do what they want cause they can get away with it.