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Scotland was always going to leave if the UK left the EU, but by the looks of it Northern Ireland might be following as well.

Corbyn is a human being regardless of what you think of his beliefs and opinions. Cameron is such a fake human being he once forgot what football club he pretends to support! He's part of a very exclusive elitist circle that has absolutely no idea what working people think and feel. Le Pen putting up a British flag is rather nauseating to see... There must be a general election to get a mandate from the people. And if Corbyn hadn't made a halfhearted attempt to back remain, Labour would have probably won it and he'd have probably been the next prime minister.

Tbh, if an education means thinking that David Cameron is 'decent' then I'm keeping my kids out of school!

Meet the new leader of the left in Britain: This is what Corbyn gets for selling out

Btw, Britain is not out of the EU yet and won't be until at least a couple of years. There will still be great pressure from the EU and UK establishment to scrap the results of this referendum. After all, they did it in Greece...

Woah, not for the first time in the past couple of years, I've completely underestimated the people's will for any change and the general feeling of 'fuck you' to the establishment. I reckon I'd fancy my chances if they always get it so wrong as they did here

Yeah, I actually googled it after I posted. Not sure why I never bothered to know that before. The fraction being less than 1 threw me off a bit. Seems rather obvious in retrospective.

Is that good or bad for them? I've never bet in my life... No injuries from the shooter either. Apparently he had a gun that fired blanks only. All the injuries are from the police throwing tear gas into the cinema when they went in.

Well as long they are keeping away from scare tactics...

I was enjoying his goal but then I quickly remembered that that would probably add about 10m to his price...

Okay, this is hilarious: How we would report the EU referendum if it were happening in the middle east

No thanks. He looks awful without a shirt...

@Muzchap human civilization in it's current form is not sustainable. Something has got to give, I feel in this current century. If it's not a global war, it's going to be a nuclear disaster or an environmental catastrophe. There's a reason why the doomsday clock is at its closest to midnight since 1984, and we escaped that through nothing short of a miracle. We can't get that lucky twice..

If I see Cahill in a 3-man defense, I'm going to cry. And Azpi as a left wingback? He's already too defensive for a LB! If Conte goes with this (which he won't) it would be best if we just sack him after the first match of the season...

I don't think that should be a controversial position at all. The danger though is when you start justifying some violence and demonizing another. Those are not conscious (or rational) choices to do so, but subconscious beliefs hammered in slowly (or rather obviously in this case) by the media that have an agenda, like when to call an attack 'terrorist'. If I can add another point, and I'd love your opinion on this, I think that people have this morally baseless idea that individual violence is much more wrong than systematic faceless violence carried out by states and other systems of power. A lot of people on the left don't want to vote out to not associate themselves with racists and bigots, but that's a rather weak argument in my mind. Even for social services, the idea of them being imposed by an unelected foreign committee is still undemocratic. But I absolutely get that things like social services and worker rights are about practicality not just principles so I would agree with you there (it's like the old argument some anarchists make that we should be against social services because it creates a 'parental' relationship between the state and citizens which makes them reliant on this corrupt system of power, but obviously if it keeps an orphan from starting to death (till the 'revolution') then I can't see how you can morally be against it). I am of course as well for freedom of movement and as someone who believes in socialist values, I do think that people and communities are better off together as long as everyone is represented. I especially like the idea of a unified Europe that can oppose a US hegemony. On the other hand, I don't think even the people for stay actually believe that they can reform the EU. The thing is, the EU is not 'corrupt'. It is very much designed to be a tyranny to promote the benefit of corporations. I was too young when the EU started and I only came to know how messed up it is set up hearing Yanis Varoufakis explain it all. Then you have TTIP which you will likely be forced to sign if you stay which is one of the gravest dangers to the world along with the other 'free trade' agreements. All that said, I would be shocked if the UK actually leaves because all of Labour and basically the Tory mainstream are behind the stay campaign. Which is probably the main reason why, if I were a Brit, would probably vote leave. NOTHING gives me more pleasure than pissing off corporations and mainstream parties. It's true, they recovered faster because the EU did not force on them the crazy austerity measures that the IMF itself publishes study of how counter productive they are (and because Iceland actually jailed the criminal bankers instead of bailing them out with tax money). But the problem with that rationale is that most of the people you would be empowering by voting to leave the EU are more in favor that the EU itself of austerity and other insane financial policies that punish the most vulnerable people in society and benefit no one but the super rich. There has to be another answer...

On Brexit (which btw sounds like it was made up by a 15 year old girl), I'm obviously not as informed as Brits, but I think that there are valid arguments to be made for exiting the union, but certainly not the ones being made, if you can even call fear mongering and xenophobia as 'arguments'. And frankly the arguments for staying, particularly on the left, don't sound honest at all. I don't think Corbyn himself believes what he's saying about it. Wasn't existing the union a typically left position? The main argument for staying in the UK, for me, is that leaving would leave Britain much more vulnerable to US influence, especially on foreign policy, which is not at all in the best interest of the world. Basically, all the points that I believe are central to this issue are not even being address by the main stream media. Ironically, probably the best analysis I've heard about the referendum is from a comedian:

But the mail and mirror are correct, the shooter is just a quiet mild-mannered guy with mental issues...oh and some Nazi regalia!

There was a clip of Noam Chomsky (which I can't seem to find now) replying to people calling the media promoting the interests of the rich a 'conspiracy theory'. He says that's like saying that it's a conspiracy theory that executives are trying to maximize profits for the their companies. Of course they are.

Why Is the Killer of British MP Jo Cox Not Being Called a “Terrorist”? Glenn Greenwald nailing it as he often does.

NO. He's a loner. A mentally ill LONER. And don't you dare think otherwise!

This has genuinely made my day. I absolutely adore Carlo. Really hope the rumors are true

Seems like it has not been rubbished. On any account, it is best to wait for the full investigation, I guess, not that the media will care. We've seen this a million times regardless of the facts: White shooter --> Mentally ill --> Lone wolf. Sorry, I know this will sound bad, but honestly reading that I couldn't help but think I wish this was the rationale used when shooter is not white, or god forbid, Muslim...

She was killed by a terrorist. If the eye witness accounts are true, then it was an act of violence against a civilian motivated by a political agenda. That is the definition of terrorism even if the media won't use the word because he's white.

So sad. It's just horrible on so many levels. Thoughts with her family and friends and those poor kids.

Labor MP shot and critically injured in what sounds like a terrorist attack. Hope she pulls through.