didierforever

hahahhaha... zouma dropped. cesc, ivanovic and costa keep their places... man... depressing. absolutely depressing.

oh come on dude. zolayes was a great guy. this has been hard times being a chelsea fan, and i can understand his frustration with things.

why do i see "BANNED" on zolayes? what happened?

tibo azpi zouma GC baba RLC matic willian oscar pedro remy

totally agree. never thought that the RM stint would affect jose to this extent.

if he keep zouma in the team, integrate baba while throwing iva out (cant see HOW iva will get an extension), plus give RLC some true moments rather than the last 2 minutes of a game where we have won 5-0 already, then i can say he has done well. winning the FA cup is our only hope for getting into european competition next season. a decent top half of the table finish. thats pretty much it.

i think so too.

dude, can you tell me one post where i say that jose did not deserve to be sacked. http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/20792-chelsea-sunderland/?p=1189501 this is just one post from today and i can show another 10 on similar lines. i mean atleast actually read and know what you are accusing someone of. understand what a person is saying rather than trying to be condescending. otherwise, dont bother.

my abuse for cesc came along far before nevin's comments. his effort, his attitude have been appaling. how do u explain that exactly. and dont tell me i only started abusing him only currently to hide jose's deficiency. i have been questioning his effort since the city game. ps - if jose actually wanted him to be "the" player to get us out of trouble then god bless us and good riddance. we surely would have been relegated.

i did not see gladbach so i wont comment on them. what i saw yesterday was a team with more intent, with more purpose and with a lot more effort. how many times did jose publicly say that costa needs to be in the box, did he? NO. yesterday he actually stood there. blame jose for the right things. i will too. but also appropriately put the blame on the players where they deserve it. you think they did not intentionally do it. a lot of us, including majority of match going fans think otherwise and not witout reason.

because fans actually care about the club. unlike some of the players. no matter what their problems were with jose, they had no right to go on the pitch and put in those half-hearted performances. and they had every right to boo the players like cesc and costa. as for jose, he critisized the fans when we rightly were poor. a lot of us last season or so said that the support was poor. there were even threads about it. jose also praised the fans for what they did this season. so including this in the argument is just a no-go for me. yes, he made mistakes with eva, the pathetic team selection, his favouritism. no one is disputing that. but for the players to play the way they did and acted and have absolutely no repurcusions will be simply pathetic. like i asked in one of my previous posts, what if next season they dont want that manager too, what then. they can again put in half hearted performances, put the club in a pitiful situation until the management decides to throw them out? sorry, simply not how things should be.

mourinho was part of the problem. the people/players (like you put it) "can physically get us out of this situation" are also the only ones who "physically put us" in this position. they played like they dont care about the fans, the club, the manager. so why should we as fans care what they feel? as for how it helps, it helps by showing the players to not take us for granted. we dont expect messi like performances every match. we dont care if we win or even if we relegated, IF the players actually give their 100% for the club.

also won the corner himself from a great overlapping run and then some will to get something out of the play.

i have already been over this with a couple of other guys. go to the jose thread and give it a read. not going to write everything again. what proof do you want? players are not going to come out and say they did it. you missed a couple of very important things that jose said about being betrayed. about the players training very well but not reproducing on the field. as for what the players thought at the start of the season can be seen by jose's start of the season comments about the players being champions but not being serial champions. there is a reason why its so hard to win the title back to back, cos u need immense mental character, something which the players obviously lack. and jose had already called them out on it. also, why would courtois say that? why wont he just dismiss it straight forwardly rather than saying "why dont u ask the other players?" hours before jose was going to get fired, even the fact that the players were not happy with him was met with ridicule. everyone here thought that all the players here had jose's shrines in their house. any talk of jose losing the dressing room or player discontentment was met by a bloody pic of the squad with jose in it while training and a tag line "yes, he has really lost the room." folowed by the troll smiley. sometimes you dont need black and white proofs of happenings to know the right and wrongs. the attitude of the players, the effort. how many times did we find people questioning the player's attitude rather than their technical ability in a post match thread. "does he want to play for chelsea?" "is his mind already set on RM" etc etc. well, now we know why.

dont hold your breath. we ll be lucky if we get even 1 of them.

how are you saying that the players were "out of form". give me the proof that they were "out of form" and not just screwing us over. taking into account some of the players' attitude, jose's statements, nevin's statement, emenalo's statement, courtois' statement. i would say that i can give u more "proof" that the players were indeed playing shit purposely than you can give me that they were "just out of form"

going through other videos as well and hardly surprising how many of them feel the same way. love what this guy said if pep comes in and the players think, "i dont want to play for him", will we sack him too? and this has been the exact question i have been asking. what about the future. what precedent does this set? the players can literally stop caring about the clubs and the fans until they get what they want. does not matter who you are, not even messi should be allowed to have that attitude.

. yup perfectly put.

its still better than saying that jose was tanking the season on purpose.

reason!! LOL

did i say i knew why? did i ever say that? stop trying to put words into my mouths. i do know WHAT they did, which was put in half arsed performances. and i guess, i have already taken the names of the 2 players over and over and over again and also made it quite clear why i think what i think. maybe if you were not so ignorant or hell bent in blaming all of this down on jose, you could see and understand it for yourself.

oh so i should wait for 20 years for cesc's book and till then let him ruin the club. sounds like a plan. exactly, u could see the players play with more intent, not only that but in the previous games, u could see the players playing like they actually did not care. then you could hear pat nevin's comment, or emenalo's comments or today courtois comments. there is co-incidence, there is naivety and then there is plain old ignorance.

judgment calls, common sense and logic. does not take much to understand some things. but keep on hoping for players to come out and say "i did it on purpose". until then, everything is hunky dory.

me and a lot of fans here. and about 43,000 match going fans. but obviously, we are all idiots compared to your grace.

lukaku, mata, kdb, bertrand. i was mainly talking about that.