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and pat nevin, and emenalo. too much of a co-incidence. plus your point was that i actually wanted jose to say. NO, i did not. but i also dont want players who dont give a fuck about the club to be here.

the intensity and pressing we showed from the starting whistle. in the 2nd half when we actually dropped off a little, sunderland were slicing us open when the wished. how many times this season have we started matches looking like zombies. sunderland were getting forced to go long in the first half.

if you cant understand the difference in an out of form performance and a cesc/costa performance, then i honestly have nothing to say.

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/20662-the-mourinho-thread/?p=1189015 people should either know the whole context and what a poster stands on, or simply not get into a discussion. simple/

so every time the players have a problem with the manager, they can put in half arsed performances, get him sacked and since we cant "prove" anything in the court of law, we should sit by seeing them screwing the club over and over again?

i think we played with a lot of intensity. we pressed high up. we moved the ball well. costa stayed in the box. all of these things jose has been asking for.

application - yes, after a certain amount of time. not 2 days later. even holland is not stupid enough to change the tactics, one day before the match. effort - it should not.

i massively disagree with the last part. DD and lamps led a revolt but playing poorly to get avb sacked is just wrong. their was no poor playing from the players in our 3-5 loss to arsenal or our 1-3 loss to napoli which avb started without lamps and ash. avb had a "project" to phase out the old guard but his team selections and exlusions, especially of DD for torres was costing the team. those players actually wanted to play and play well. here the players were playing and scewing us over. massive massive massive difference. even before these stories of "rats" came out, i can truthfully say that a lot of people including me could see and sense some massive problems between cesc and costa. is it surprising that these are the 2 names that have universally come out. these 2 players' efforts and intentions were already been doubted and in massive question. yes, i dont know "for sure" what has happened behind the scenes, but the players, coupled with nevin's statemetn, emenalo statement, now courtois statement, clearly tells us that something was massively amiss.

. pat nevin said it. and today courtois said this "I didn't have a problem with the manager. You'd have to ask the other players about them" #cfc @bbc5live why would a player even say something like this unless there were some major major problems. just one thing, were the tactics different today? was the formation different. jose's selection, tactics, negativity has cost us massively. his transfers have been hopeless to say the least and his youth handling has been disastorous. but just look at the players. look at their effort or lack of it. their attitude, has been far worse than any of it

the point that i want to prove is that the players actually and intentionally screwed the club because of their problems with jose. it is not the point of players just "not playing well", its the point of players intentionally not pplaying well. and there is a massive difference in them. i know jose is gone, and i would have been happier if it was sooner. now we have no chance of making top4, forget winning the league. as for getting us the title last year, jose got us the title too. if he is fired, so should the players be. as for not getting players cos we have no buying power, well, i ll be happy with watching players who actually give a crap about the club, rather than players who clearly who give us to the dogs, if things did not go their way.

can you actually give a source. cos if this does not prove, then i must say some people are simply DELUDED.

10/11 - was a case of a squad over the top that lost some real quality which was replaced by ramires and yossi (i think). i mean did we really replace ballack, deco, joe cole, belleti with them? no doubt we were set back a year or 2. add to that essien's injury, that squad lacked quality. but i doubt they lacked effort. i remember us having a similar discussion about the 10/11 team so lets not digress. but suffice to say, the difference in quality of these 2 squads just makes it difficult for me to have any comparision. i dont have one doubt that lamps led a revolt. but i think you are missing the intentions on here. avb was putting in a team that was clearly not our best just to bench the old guard. not to play lamps and ash against napoli was a disgusting decision. players actually wanted to play and make a difference. here, the players sold us off for their egos. i am sure jose knew about the amount of unrest in the squad. yet he played the "best" team (if you can call it that) thinking (hopelessly wrongly) that the players might actually play to their potential. the players on the other hand have absolutely let the club down. it is one thing for an aging squad with some real quality problems to have some problems and totally another for players to intentionaly screw the club.

avb lost the dressing room, but players like lamps, DD, actually wanted to play and put their best for the sake of the club. these players might have had their problems with jose, BUT, they were playing and were willing to screw the club up until jose got lost. unacceptable. i dont think there was any difference in tactics today. today was not a useless win like against villa or norwich. players actually put in the effort, which i cant say they did in any other game. you are talking about the player;s psychology, i am doubting their efforts and intentions.

somebody just wants attention dude. leave it.

fair enough to you if you can still give them the benefit of doubt. i honestly cant. for me, its pretty clear that the players dumped the club cos of their clash with jose. combined, both factions have made us a joke.

jose deserved to get fired. but do you really think the players are faultless?

but but but, their is no player power, right? the 42,000 odd in the stadium are WUM too, i guess. grow a brain mate.

the wind was blowing in the direction of jose sacking after the WBA game? seriously?

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/18277-4-cesc-fabregas/?p=1187445 http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/18277-4-cesc-fabregas/?p=1187480 http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/18277-4-cesc-fabregas/?p=1187530 http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/18277-4-cesc-fabregas/?p=1188147 read, understand and then write.

dude, what the fuck. i say the same things and you counter me. the fans in the stadium do what i am saying (boo the bastards) and you defend them. that aint no fair. :lol: but in all seriousness, this is exactly what i meant. players took out jose. they did not do it cos the players were not getting proper gametime like lamps and DD under AVB, they did it by intentionally fucking the club. and such players dont deserve the support or to wear teh shirt. need to be sold. hopefully the booing does the job.

fans doing the board's job for them. boo the cunts and they ll leave themselves.

as for my posts now, i again dont see the hypocrisy. the players clearly were not playing "for him". no matter what the issue, players should be keeping the club's best interest in front. so u can read my posts to muzchap in the cesc thread and they would all say the same. if jose deserves the sack (and yes he does) then so do some players. i had edited my previos post. so would just copy paste. never said that he did not deserve the sack. he deserved it right after the WBA game.but the current circumstances and now the way the players are playing simply show that his sacking goes a lot deeper than just poor results.

stats said jose used to throw the players under the bus publicly. what exactly in my post hypocritical there. jose publicly ALWAYS hyped the players. gave them the credit. even remy or RLC. how he actually treated them was crap. but publicly (even after the spat with costa), he barely ever critisized the players. the only 2 instances i remember is RLC and hazard (after the semi loss). and the last weekend. as for my posts now, i again dont see the hypocrisy. the players clearly were not playing "for him". no matter what the issue, players should be keeping the club's best interest in front. so u can read my posts to muzchap in the cesc thread and they would all say the same. if jose deserves the sack (and yes he does) then so do some players.

he "rightly" critisized hazard for not tracking his man in a CL semi. it was not some ordinary league match. fair enough on matic. you said he did not give players public backing, which cant not be far from truth. yes, he treated remy like crap. yet look what he said about remy. that he was not fair to him etc etc. publicly, he has always backed his players

LOL. i used to blame him for over protecting his players. the cescs, the ivanovics, the costas, the oscars. how is that hypocrtical? when has jose publicly thrown the players under the bus?