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Few Watford fans "McEachran and Murray were excellent" "Belkalem is not good enough. Iriney is good butalongside McEachran the midfield was too flat until Murray came on. As soon as Acuna came on, we stopped looking threatening." "McEachran - Did very well, his vision is by far his best asset. One sloppy-ish pass but unfortunately that led to the 2nd goal" "McEachran was our best midfielder today, the kid looks class I hope we can nick him from Chelsea." "I thought the majority of the team had a decent game. McEachran was solid if unspectacular" "McEachran was a positive for me today, again always busy and generally very good on the ball. " "McEachran was OK. I didn't really notice him doing anything really good or bad" "Felt McEachran or McGugan should have gone off, not Fabbrini. Neither had a bad game but we should have gone 3-4-3 just to change it up, even if only for 5 minutes." ​(referring to Iriney) "He is good. We need a player who does what he does. He barely gives the ball away and he does stick to a role, which he's been given, just in front of the back three. The issue was, McEachran does much the same job and neither of them is going to burst forwards and take the ball into the box. " The highlighted bit about Josh is spot on. "I was also pleased with McEachran's performance, but Murray added the forward drive we needed. All fit, I think out first team looks like: Almunia, Anya, Faraoni, Ekstrand, Angella, Doyley, Abdi, McGugan, Murray, Deeney, Forestieri" "Midfield. I thought Mccheachran had a very good game but we can't play him and Ireney together and if I had a choice it would be Mccheachran for the home games and maybe Ireney for the away." http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?49366-Watford-FC-vs-Derby-County-19-10-2013/page5

I hated Luiz in midfield personally, never sat right for me (i hated Ivan at CB too, always preferred him as a RB), press him hard enough in the middle and he will lose possession. His ball playing skills are an asset from CB because no one is tracking him.

He played what? 15 times in midfield in a season we played 69 games, that isn't that big a number in the grand scheme of things. I have no problem with pundits critisising when it's deserved, it's the creepy behavior of the pundits/commentator's in this country that grind my gears. For example last season when he went off against Arsenal due to a knock, Alan Smith implied he was not injured and infact faking it to hide embarrassment Not that i needed to say, but the fact Arsenal started peppering our goal after he got took off was conveniently ignored.

For the record i was never part of the Luiz captain group, i don't think any of our first team players in their 20's are captain material, quite frankly, i think our next full time one will be Chalobah.

The point is lots of pundits and fans thought Bosingwa was a good player, a lot of pundits and fans rate Kyle Walker, who is absolutely awful. Pundits rave over Vertonghen, who is often caught with his pants down in matches (and then has to literally do it to opponents that fuck him over ) Pundits in general are awful, they don't have their own opinion, they just casually and sheepishly follow the same tired old myth's, even in Romania, where Luiz has an almost perfect match (Babara produced stats) they were still going on about him at every opportunity. I could just about take this creepy behavior if they credit his great matches, but they don't, when he makes a good interception, produces strong play, strong overall match, they say nothing, absolutely nothing. I mean Lawrenson brought him up previewing the Spain VS Uruguay match, does that sound like normal behavior? Gary Neville offered a completely different perspective to the DL myth, if only their was as much as one other pundit like him in this country. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuPbN_GkFmc

If we have just sold Luiz for big money, Dortmund would milk that and make us pay similar. Like Newcastle did to Liverpool for Carroll, knowing how much they were getting in for Torres.

Alan Hansen? well that settles it then. Might aswell quote John Cross aswell, deary me. Hansen clearly doens't like cultered defenders because he was another hoof it into row z player. Were are these 'so many' mistakes? can you name them? and not one's were at least two players both fucked up at the same time. Plus Bosingwa was an awful full back, and it took nearly 4 years for him to get any form of criticism by pundits, their a bunch of clueless buffon's, only Gary Neville is worth listening too.

Because Gotze had a release clause, it's the only reason he was allowed to go their, let alone that cheaply.

Not one that was solely down to him, no, before yesterday. Vidic (vs Sunderland), Terry (vs Arsenal), Cahill (vs Brazil), Alex (vs West Brom), Ivanovic (vs Swansea twice) on the top of my head have made mistakes just as bad as Luiz's yesterday, heck shall i mention Carvalho's back pass that threatened to hand United the title giftwrapped. I could mention plenty of other times they have made mistakes (obvious or tactical) for all them players but im too hungover to rack my brain back the last decade. Pique takes as many risk's and sometimes gets caught out, but because he plays for Barcelona that's fine apparently. Cultured defenders add something different to their game, it's in their nature to take chances and sometimes will get caught out, but what they add to the table counteract's that. Like Neville said, Is it a coincidence that the Luiz's, Pique's and Lucio's off this world have won International tournaments while the play safe hoof into row Z defenders are getting knocked out early on?

Borussia will not sell those two for a combined £35m, that price might just about be good enough to get one of them. Plus if they know we have just sold Luiz for £35-40m, they will probably demand more if we go for any of their CB's.

Thiago Silva aside, i can't think of any defender close to that level playing today.

They didn't win their CL final tho did they? Luiz did. While you mention it Subotic and Hummels both fucked up for Robben's winner, and did you see Hummels mistake against Real Madrid that led to Ronaldo's goal? just as bad as what Luiz did today, if not worse.

The Everton and Norwich goals were collective fault's were numerous players were at fault, one of them being Luiz. Everton our whole team were dragged out of position pretty much which started from one of our attacking midfielders failing to close down space and the Norwich goal was a 3 way fuck up between Ivanovic for not closing down the cross and both Terry and Luiz for getting beaten in the air (they won't be the first defenders to lose out to Van Wolfswinkel and Pilkington). You are being well, well to harsh.

Im too pissed to go through list's but one example is the Villa match where both could have done better for Benteke's goal.

He makes no more mistakes than Ivanovic or Cahill. The media really work wonders on some.

Most of the facebook fan page user's are clueless buffon's anyway, it's like reading post's from that biite member but 10 times worse, i remember one person said a couple of years back we should start an unfit Alex for our do or die clash against Valencia in the CL to give him a farewell. What's worse is nearly 300 people liked it

Eto'o has to start this one, his intelligence is vital for this, Felipe Santana will gobble up Torres (in a foot race) or Ba (in the air). I think Azpilicueta should start this one too, Mikel should start with Lamps saved for City.

I could forgive 89 minutes of crap if he scores in the exception minute, to be honest, and if their is one thing Mario will guarantee it's goals. Regarding the highlighted part, he is already level with Torres in terms of PL goals in 2013.

im with @Las7, Goals first and foremost. Link up play, working hard for the team and all that jazz all comes second for me. If we can find a forward who scores almost every game we would effectively be 1-0 up before kick off, that's why i would have had Mario Gomez at Chelsea in a heartbeat.

Three times this season already we have took Mata off with the scores tied and gone onto win. This is a reference to how strong the squad is before any one get's precious, last season taking Mata off would have effectively handed over points to the opposition.

I would take a draw here if we beat City and them again back in London.

Mourinho in the last 3 games has turned two points into seven with his subs and proactive thinking. I know this is stating the obvious, but we are so lucky he has come back, i don't think that can be stated enough.

Then he will be leaving to walk into Barca's. Our hand is forced with this issue, someone who has a free pass into Barca's team if he wants it, is not going to come back to 'compete' with anyone. It's decision time, we have to play him or sell him. We cannot have two world class keepers at the club, it just isn't practical.

I thought he had a good game, how many times did he get dispossessed or turnover the ball? It must have been single figures, compared to Torres who often hits the 30's in that regard. He's not a long term option, but for now he should start most matches, especially at home to teams that play with a low block.

As soon as i can understand Spanish i am going switch to their commentary. Every single fucking time Luiz has the ball they refereed to his earlier mistake, do they actually do that with any other player? He has a poor game, but those twats don't half try and stick the knife in, are they still bitter that he kicked the shit out of Rooney nearly 3 years ago now?