Duppy Conqueror

interesting that Martinez is talking about other teams players today... are we still waiting on the rest of the Lukaku money?

putting in a public transfer request will put pressure on Everton to sell..but some seem to think that is all that is holding this deal back.it`s really not that simple. I think he has already told the club he wants to leave for us and he doesn`t want to publicly disrespect the club by putting in a public transfer request. but he may as the window closing approaches. I think we can get him if we put in another bid. the Garay talk could change things either way..either it makes Everton think we don`t need him as much as they think so they stop dragging their feet,or they can see it as they have beaten us off and will keep stones.

I think he`s being used as a fall back option but we will make another bid for Stones and depend on how that goes. we should have atleast shown interest in other CB`s before now to make it less visible to Everton they have what we need so badly. I think Kalas will make the team next year as a younger version of what Bran offered in the past. a RB/CB role but not so much of a regular starter. I was in the minority when I said Kalas should have been kept in the squad last season and in particular this season. I suspect I wouldn`t be now.

£36m for a central defender would not be a world record. just a record between English clubs. I`ve seen it said many times why we as fans care about how much a player costs. in this case I don`t think it`s too over priced (it is but not too much) but to answer the question in a general sense. nobody should want us to grossly overpay for a player.it effects our future pursuit of players when clubs see us as willing to do it. we have paid for that since 2003 on occasions. Man City,Man U,Arsenal now are having problems with that aswell as teams like PSG. for some of us,where all we spend on Chelsea is the cost of a new jersey every year then it doesn`t have a financial impact on you. for others like me who are committed to attending atleast 90% of the games every season and already spending tens of thousands a season with various trips around Europe etc... us splashing the cash and blowing millions more than we need to can impact us. Roman hasn`t ripped us too badly thus far but that can always change.

Greaves would be number 1. a world class player when we had him who had scored more top flight goals than almost all of the current top flight strikers score in a career by the time we sold him at 21. proof that you don`t need to hold kids back. he went on to remain world class for about 12 years after he left us. Ray Wilkins another young player who had already been our captain and went onto a long career of greatness. for the most recent ones ones..a lot have either been at the end of their prime when they left..e.g Joe and Ashley Cole,Lampard,Zola,Essien,Dixon,Petrescu,Ballack etc.. or left for other reasons....players like Robben,De Bruyne,Lukaku.. of the ones currently playing none of them I greatly regret not being here..but if I had to pick two I`d say Robben and De Bruyne,atleast as matchday squad players (I don`t think anyone should be guaranteed a starting spot in our 1st team every game )

I didn`t know they still owed us money for Lukaku..being in a position of being owed money by scousers is not good business sense.

I`ve no desire to make decisions I don`t have to and wouldn`t have any bearing on where he is played by those who actually have the power to decide.but I like Willian as a player for our matchday squad we need to keep. enjoyed watching him at the Hawthornes yesterday when he was on..our 3 behind Costa worked well together ,would have taken Cesc off when we had to rejuggle things. tho not turning on Cesc like some have chosen to do,he clearly is out of form at the moment and Willian`s legs would have been better suited to play 10 man football.with him playing deeper and charging forward when we counter attacked.

it`s just not done because it`s stupid to think 3 games is long enough for the club loaning a player to show the season long intentions for a player.there could be multiple reasons for them not yet picking him to have a big part in yet again,the first 3 games of a season. but I can pretend to agree with you if you like as I do have better things to do on a Saturday night.

thanks for the guidance..i only discovered football this afternoon. seriously tho..the reasons you give for Chelsea not cancelling the loan are not correct,nobody cancels a loan after 3 games of a new season.maybe in 3 months but never after 3 games. Chelsea are not even considering it atall at this point.nothing to do with good business practice.

the club chose to loan him out..3 games into the season I doubt if they are considering cancelling the loan because as inpatient as they can sometimes be,they are as patient as chess players in comparison to some of our fans.

hopefully he will get more game time over the course of the season. it`s way too early to say either way just yet.but I`m not surprised by any severe lack of patience when logging into TC anymore..

I`m not gonna say "fuck John Stones" because he`s acting like a classy young pro by not demanding a transfer. it doesn`t mean he`s refusing to join us,it doesn`t mean we can`t get him. just because he hasn`t as yet or may not hand in an official transfer request. such a thing is not legally binding to force a move to another club.the club can still refuse a move when a player is under contract. Everton are dragging their feet as they sign other CB`s. if we continue our interest I think we will eventually get him..probably next week but if not then,then in the winter window.

Couldn't we make it 75m if they agree to take Cuadrado..

sell or part exchange Moses but nothing to be gained from loaning him.

he didn`t talk about him.

No "Eiffel tower" type comment this time is interesting.. he also apparently said earlier in the season that we had no room for Pedro..opinions are changing. I see Cuadrado as a loan deal being mentioned as their only interest in him.but I see the previous desire of Juve like most clubs in Italy these days wanting to loan players with even a moderate fee as just being that they don`t want to part with the money that a transfer fee would command. which in a part exchange deal it wouldn`t. I`d like to have Pogba..in particular if we want to play a 4-3-3..but it`s not at the cost of players like Oscar or Willian.we need them for balance of our team for that formation and others.and by strengthening our squad by buying Pogba would then be weakened again if we let any of those 2 go...I could live with Ramires being part of the deal and absolutely love Cuadrado being shipped out. but I would prefer us to either go high on the transfer fee with Cuadrado thrown in or leave the chase and either look elsewhere or promote from within. RW and RB has been our problem positions above CM. I`d like to have Pogba but not at any cost in way of losing other needed players.

I don`t think Jose sees CB as being a position we have to get someone in at. it`s more about him seeing Stones as a player who will be a key member of the team in the future with the added bonus of being able to compete now rather than what position he plays. like they say during the NFL draft..good teams don`t draft the position they draft the player.

i just typed a really post then all about Merkel,damn. i didn`t sleep very well last night..i go a lil dyslexic at such times..

we got a nice addition for all our upfield positions..mostly at RW but also i think Hazard doesn`t have to be worked into the ground like before because we had no real other option at LW even against the weaker teams. i like the combo option of Pedro or Willian at RW but also the fact we can at times play both..(and or Hazard/Oscar) can`t wait to see him in full flow for us in a few weeks. smart player who reads the game well and will be a boost for Cesc to have somebody who has good chemistry with him to see where Cesc wants to play the ball before he plays it. Pedro is a true pro too and that`s always a good quality. no unwanted drama with him. can`t believe we got him for less than Cuadrado..

according to SKY sports via Bild..Willian`s agent been offering him out to Bayern and PSG..probably bullshit. and I hope so. Cuadrado and Moses gotta be gone not Willian. correction edit: it was TZ Online..not Bild.

@ Oscar. (i can`t quote on here) they chose not to keep Makalele...those who make the decisions..whoever it was it means the same result..i`m sure there were players who didn`t want to see Mata,De Bruyne,Ballack,Cech etc... leave us but they did because it`s not their decision. sometimes managers,sometimes presidents,owners etc.. my point was good to great players leave great clubs all the time. and it`s not always because they are no longer good enough like was stated above by others.

to go back to the original question..quality..maybe elsewhere. but quality viewing England and Germany are above Spain,Italy etc..

i`ve been to many NFL games including the supposedly most vocal like Arrowhead and the Linc in Philly. and been to about 250 football grounds throughout Europe,about 80 in England (and Wales). in the NFL grounds it`s just noise really..their chants if you can call them such or like the fucking brady bunch wrote them..."here we steelers,here we go.." etc..when a TD is scored there`s loud cheering.but they just don`t do the singing,chanting,comedy like we do in Football college football,fans in America are closer to atmosphere of European football crowds.

Makalele was seen as surplus to requirements at Real Madrid. and became a key member in our back to back titles whilst they floundered. great teams discard good and sometimes great players all the time. we have done it ourselves. reading too much into it whichever way you look at it...there`s no pattern to be found that dictates if this is a good signing or not until he`s played a season or two for us.

I`d normaly say,sit him and let him get a week or two under his belt getting to know his team mates ,building an onfield chemistry but if the other option is Cuadrado or Moses I`d rather role with Pedro before he`s had chance to settle. ideally we have Willian on the RW if Bran is still in the team for West Brom.