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Lets see him ask that same question next August. Manure is a fucking trainwreck atm.

They still were definitely attacking centre backs, I stand 100% behind my entire post.

Yes, he was wonderful at headers.

The year he scored 19, 11 were pens yes, but for his career less than half of his goals were pens. He definitely played a big role in his teams attacks. He also is probably the least offensive of all the ones I listed, with 113 goals in his career. He had many headers from open play bombing up the middle or the side as well. I would deffo classify him as an attacking centre back at the end of the day.

Franz Beckenbauer (greatest defender of all time, IMHO, overall, as well), Steve Bruce (19 goals in 1990-91 alone), Laurent Blanc (146 career goals) Fernando Hierro (163 goals in his career), Daniel Passarella (175 goals in his career) and of course, the greatest scoring central defender of all time, Ronald Koeman (253 goals in his career, 26 goals in a season for PSV in 87-88). The vast majority of all their games was at CB/Sweeper. I am sure there are others

He has scored only 2 top flight goals in his life (and actually only one, for Real Betis 13/02/16 against Deportivo, as the other was against Forest in the League cup on 20/09/17). He couldn't even get minutes in the shit Scottish Premiership (dont give a toss it was Celtic, their overall quality is shit, just look at most of their Europe games, where they usually get smashed) The ONLY players Celtic have who are even remotely of interest are LB Kieran Tierney and then CB Filip Benkovic, who was linked to us, bought by Leicester, and loaned to them, all in the space of a week or two. After those 2 (and again, one isn't even theirs) the next highest rated is former Chelsea flop, Sinclair, at a paltry £4m. Goes to show how truly bad the SPL is, that a shit team like Celtic can go through undefeated. I like Scotland, have many great mates from there, but their footie is cat piss. So, no, I don't rate Musonda as having some great level of talent, at least not at footie. His career has been shite to date.

Alonso's offensive prowess makes up for his defensive liabilities (and I must say he looks better defensively as each game goes by), plus I think Sarri is pushing him hard to improve there. He is a very unique player, for better of for worse. Luiz is not, and you are spot on about the danger of playing them both at the same time. People on Luiz's tip all base it off 2016-17, post Arsenal game (the back 3 switch game). Luiz was totally protected then by the other 2 CB's on his flanks, and still made too many mistakes. People get carried away with his flair. His passing also is overrated. He had some hit and hope great plays, but to see a true Sarriball passing CB, just go watch Koulibaly over the last 3 years. I am resigned to the fact that Sarri is going to roll with Luiz, but if he starts playing like last year, he better bench his arse and play AC, who is as underrated it seems by many as Luiz is overrated. I am still raging over that fucking Newcastle header with Luiz going his typical ballwatching statue act. There is a reason why Germany utterly destroyed a Luiz-lead Brasilian defence 7-1 in 2014 WC. He is nothing but older now, with all the same bad habits.

We so need to tie up CHO on a new contract. He is out of contract in 22 months. Would be a catastrophe to lose him to Shitty or Real or PSG or Barca or Bayern or Juve. They all are sniffing around. To lose him AND Hazard would fuck us up to no end. Next summer they both have the whip hand on us if they refuse to renew. We would lose both a free the summer after that. That's the type of blow that is hard to recover from, especially if we got zero quid in return. This is exactly what I mean about how absolutely shit our board is. I look at both near and long term event horizons in terms of all my moves I posit. We have a pack of rapidly ageing players who will garnish us shit in resale value that is vital due to our one-out-before-one-in overall policy (Cahill, Luiz, Fabregas, Pedro, Willian, Giroud) plus the next tier in Azpi and Drinkwater, both of whom will be 30 next season. Summer 2019 is going to be the most important to our club since the first 2 windows under Roman. If we don't play cards right, we could be staring down table of a disastrous 2020-21 season, (especially if we lose Eden and CHO on frees), unless we drop well in excess of £200m net in summer 2020. Anyone who thinks my list of ageing players will still be going strong in 2020-21 is in for one hell of a rude awakening.

What about Barkley at RW? I would love to see that experiment in a cup tie. He certainly has the pace and the dribbling skills.

its not scapegoating, he genuinely is shit at defending

I am all in on them, I just think we need 3 or 4 rock solid CB's plus Amapadu. AC Rudiger Is 2 So 1 or 2 left to buy Pavard can play RB too, so even more reason to grab him, as Zappacosta is not a happy camper and will demand a transfer of be doesnt get significant playing time this year.

He is 33 next season, that's not the stuff of champions, he isn't bloody Ronaldo, ffs, and his passing is vastly overrated. Even in 2016-17, we won despite him, certainly not because of him.I have never rated him, no clue why Sarri does. He all have players we cant stand, well Luiz is mine. My issue wilt Willian was simply the extraordinary price barca and Manure were willing to pay for a 30 year old RW. If he was 25ish, I would have far less issues with him having a go here, BUT we all know how it goes now here, they wont spend unless they sell, and in Willian's case, thinking we will get anywhere near £65m again is a crack pipe dream. Not selling Luiz and NOT buying Thilo Kehrer and Benjamin Pavard (whilst dicking around with the impossible to deal with italian cunts) was even worse. PSG is now set for years at CB, and I lay wager Pavard will get snapped up by Bayern in January or Summer 2019. We will not spend the £70m or so that Ajax will demand for Matthijs de Ligt, Kalidou Koulibaly will, next summer, only have 2 more years until he turns 30, and zero chance we dump £90m on him. José Giménez will not be sold by AM, even if they did, he is £80m plus or so Marquinhos will cost £80m plus, so I doubt we drop that sort of quid, Alessio Romagnoli will not be sold by AC Milan, now that they have billions backing them via that ruthless right wing USA hedge fund, Stefan Savic and Kostas Manolas are not really Sarriball CB's i do not think (Manure sure could use them though, lolol LOLOLOLOL) Dayot Upamecano is having a 100m euro release clause slapped on him by RB Leipzig Milan Skriniar will not be sold by Inter, I just cant see it happening, they have huge ambitions Manuel Akanji from Dortmund looks to be not progressing so much as he should, and even if he turns it around, his price was being quoted by Bild as around 60m euros That leaves only speculative options the two giants, Jonathan Tah (22) and Nikola Milenkovic (20), both 1.95m, but not sure if they are up to EPL and Sarriball pace, they do intrigue me Rúben Dias, 21yo from Benfica Malang Sarr, 19yo from Nice Panagiotis Retsos 20yo from Bayer Leverkusen It's basically Pavard and maybe one of those last 5, or dump out £80m plus, which we all know isn't going to happen, and THAT even assumes that AM, PSG, Napolii!! (LOLOL) would even sell to us, which they wont, not those 3 players (De laurentiis will wait 3 more years, when Koulibaly is 30, then offer him to us at a £20m discount of £70m!, book it)

We finally caught a break. Now lets hope there are no upsets in the CL groups of death OR some big teams shit out and finish 4th

If they give Luiz a new contract I am going to lose my mind.

Sevilla sign Quincy Promes https://www.football-espana.net/73970/sevilla-sign-quincy-promes Spartak Moscow winger Quincy Promes arrived in Seville on Thursday night ahead of completing a move to Sevilla. The club confirmed that the Russian-based player watched their Europa League tie against Sigma Olomouc and will undergo a medical on Friday. On Tuesday, Sevilla Info initially reported the Andalusian club’s interest in signing the Dutch international, who has netted 59 goals in 115 Russian Premier League matches. The on Thursday, fresh reports suggest the player wanted his €3m salary as net and not gross, meaning his agreement with Sevilla has broken down despite a €21m fee being agreed. However, such concerns appear to have been erased with the player now set to undergo medical examinations with the club. The 26-year-old netted two goals as Spartak defeated Los Rojiblancos 5-1 in the Champions League last season but the club have failed to make the same stage this campaign. Promes, who operates mainly as a winger, has been capped 28 times by the Netherlands and scoring five goals.

that's not NET spending, we spent far less net Net spend, £75.06m

If our board had an ounce of sense, they would have quickly realised that that they were once again getting the old Italian assfuck from Juve on Rugani and Caldara, and sold Luiz to PSG (they made multiple enquiries) and bought BOTH Thilo Kehrer, who only turns 22 on September 21, 2018 (and who PSG fucking then snapped up, after being rebuffed by us on shit Luiz) for only £33m and also Benjamin Pavard from Stuttgart, who can obviously play RB as well (see WC glory for France) and is also only 22 and great on the ball and distribution (plus shooting, as he had goal of WC). We would have had 2 wonderful, young (but experienced at the highest levels) ball-playing 22 CB's to pair with OUR 22yo ball playing CB, AC, and Rudiger and then Ampadu. Luiz and Cahill should have been binned. They have large, large salaries are are huge defensive liabilities. OUR BOARD IS SHIT and Luiz is going to cost us big time, mark my words, plus he will soon have shit for resale value as he turns 32 this spring. I would rather have Willian for 2 more years than Luiz for 2 more months. My summer dream gone bust:

If he sits BOTH Kante and Jorginho, hell yes, we are well and truly fucked then, especially against LPool. If you have a theory or knowledge of why so little time for Emerson, I would love to know. I have said in past maybe he is still carrying a knock from the Roma injury. He was so so so good before that damn knee.

fuck, lol, I will fix it

Chelsea and Manchester United transfer target Federico Chiesa confirms £63million bids rejected Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/25/chelsea-and-manchester-united-transfer-target-federico-chiesa-confirms-63million-bids-rejected-7882791/?ito=cbshare He would have been a massive, massive upgrade over Willian/Pedro. Sarri could make him a superstar.

He is the best Italian RW. Federico Bernardeschi is close, then a big drop off. Domenico Berardi has never progressed to the level he should be at.

What drop in quality (other than Kepa, Rudiger, Kante, Azpi, and Hazard) in the rest of the positions it might be and upgrade,especially defensively. Even at RB, Zappacosta in for Azpi is not a disaster. LB Emerson in for Alonso is an upgrade on defensive side. CB AC in for Luiz? It should be that now. Amapdu in for Rudiger? I will not lose sleep. Cahill in, yes, that is a shit move . MF We don't really have a set starting 3rd MF yet, but either Barkley or Kovacic in there is fine. Fuck Drinkwater, Fabregas is shit too, neither better play, or maybe as sub role for Fabregas at most. Moses, lol, bench time, why the fuck we have him still is yet another question. RLC should have been loaned out or sold. Same for the already mentioned Drinkwater and Fabregas. RW will be a coin toss being meh 1 and meh 2. as usual. LW Hazard out means CHO in, getting a chance, so happy there. Ideally Hazard would play and CHO would be played as a false 9 or at striker, for a half, just to see. Striker is shit no matter what, so its not like a cup tie makes it a nightmare choice. I said above play CHOthere or a false nine anyway. As long as Sarri keeps Cahill, Drinkwater, Fabregas, RLC (maybe give him a little time to see if he can show up for once), Moses and then the two I wish he wouldn't play Luiz (especially him, he needs to be reduced to a spot sub, only Cahill is worse) and Willian, I am happy He will will keep playing the last two, and it will eventually bite us in the arse, especially Luiz. I just hope not too badly.

Fucking rotten luck we have, Scouser plonkers in Carabao Cup 3rd round and now this POS of a draw for these CL groups. Group D is a fucking joke. Four shit teams. And only Bayern and Shitty are worth fuckall in E, then F. The drop downs to Europa are going to have some monsters. I would say Monaco, Inter or Spuds, Napoli, and Valencia (who are pretty loaded now) or Manure.

Trent Alexander-Arnold up against Alonso, eeeek. Mane, Firmino, and Salah v Luiz. God help us. Maybe Klopp doesn't go full first team.