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I never never diss on players, but fucking hell, what the fucking fuck is wrong with kepa. Unbelievably shit

Predicted it perfectly. Tomori and Emerson deserved the drop. We will win this. Come on chelsea.

Started brilliantly, were the better team by a mile for 30min. Let a stupid goal, and never recovered, which is to be expected with a young team in a big game. Did not have anything "to say", given the over reactions on here which is expected after every defeat. I mean after 2 games, Tammy was a "championship level striker" so I tend to stay away from this toxic place after a defeat whefe the "fans" seem to think we need a ST, RW, LB, dmf, 2 cbs, rb to be competitive next season. 😂

Kepa Reece zouma Andreas azpi Kante jorginho kovacic Willian Tammy pulisic.

Not fair on Reece, but ok. Come on chrlsea.

We are winning this. Come on Chelsea.

Ya true. Let's go for vvd and varane 😂😂

We have spent how many billions since roman came in? Care to tell me how many cls we have won since then? Also, how did we win that cl? Outplaying teams or by sheer strength of will. CL is a lucky draw. Spurs were finalist and are 14th in PL today. Ajax were semi finalist and moments away from being finalists and we got 4 points off 2 games against them. Anyways, just to answer the remark, no I don't want us to win the CL or rather I don't want us to go spending stupidly on mega egos and go chasing after a CL because i can see us being a absolute force to reckon with in 2/3 years time with the same group of players.

Most people should/would want the same core to continue. And not without reason. These are not 26+ old players who have reached their primes. The core (Tammy, mount, Reece, pulisic, Cho, tomori) are below 22/23 and they are no where near their peaks. Some very far off and yet we are very competitive. With these young guys (not counting the likes of Andreas, zouma, RLC who are also "young"), we have a decent blend of experience in jorginho, azpi, Kante, willian, Emerson etc. You can see through various sources that these guys enjoy playing with each other, their is a massive sense of positivity and togetherness in the team. I personally will be happy with keeping willy (simply cause I don't think we have a decent chance of getting Sancho given who else is interested), buying Chilwell (non-negotiable, pay up the 70-80 that they would want), buying a better 2nd striker (moussa dembele, Werner is a better option, but again I am quite sure he will end up at Bayern, but I do agree do whatever we can to get him here). Maybe a better 2nd gk? If we get this, end up with a squad of Gk - kepa, 2nd gk, 3rd gk Rb - Reece, azpi CB - Rudi, zouma, tomori, Andreas Lb - Chilwell, Emerson Cm - jorginho, Kante, kovacic, mount, RLC, gilmour Wingers - puli, willian, CHO St - Tammy, dembele Ugbo, anjorin to fill in as and when needed. I would be happy. Infact I would be excited.

Should be the first transfer in the summer.

Hopefully.

Isco and James are as much wingers as mount and RLC are. Bale had almost got his move to china before asensio's horror injury, plus bale just proves a point - you won't keep everyone happy.

Worst case scenario we will have Reece, tomori, mount, RLC, Cho, Tammy in the squad. We have the 3rd gk, 4th CB (Andreas?), Lb, 6th cm (gilmour), 7th cm (Barkley) and 3rd St positions to fill with 2 HG spots. Think it will be quite easy to do so even if we keep Willy and buy a non hg winger (not that I want to).

Totally agree with us. 3 players for 2 winger spots should be a good healthy competition. Have always felt that the 4th spot should go to a youth player (maybe anjorin?). Similarly for cms too. Kante, jorginho, kova for 2 spots with gilmour/Gallagher filling in.

Is he out?

The offers might have been there, but they were pointless if the then manager(s) did not want to sell him. Also, those 50m + money would be useful to the board if they felt it would be useful. If we get that fee for willian and have to spend more on a player not as good, then it is a moot issue.

But who do we replace him with? And what if we are not able to get our options? We have to look at it from the board's and Frank's perspective. Willian is a solid player, performs decently well, gives his all for the team. His replacements are sancho - coveted by city, United, pool, maybe psg if they lose mbappe. These are clubs, that we sadly can't hold our own against financially. Not anymore. Him being best friends with Tammy and cho is not going to help us here. Other than Sancho, who is a direct upgrade over willian? Keep in mind, that we already have a young and untested winger in CHO in the squad, the last thing we need is someone that we bring in for a lot of money but who needs the time to bed in too. So in terms of experience - zaha? Ziyech? At the end of the day willian might actually be the best option to keep for a year or 2. Let Cho, fulfil his potential, and then we can sell/let go off willy and buy whoever we want to. The more I think about it, the more I feel, letting him go, is not an option atleast currently.

Believe me I did not absolve Jose of his mistakes, but that one season was a complete anomaly. What happened in 15/16, we won't see it happening to any big team (top 6) in our life time, it was a freak show. My only issue is that using it as a stick to beat down Jose. Anyways, I don't even know how the discussion came to it. My main point of contention was calling Jose a cheque book manager, which I just don't agree with. Among all the top managers (Jose, pep, Carlo, etc etc), I think Jose is the only one who can hold his own with a decent/good squad. We have already seen how pep performs if he does not have 18 world class players in his squad.

Its spurs at the moment vs us before the roman era.

Because winning trophies is a lot more than just quality. You need mantality, grit. Even sometimes to curb your natural play so that you can stop the opposition. Look at liverpool vs city. Did they press city at all the whole match? NO. They were happy for city to play out of the back and let their full backs commit, and then countered the fuck out of them. Thats what teams who want to win the title do, and something that jose is a master at. Winning is far more than just TALENT. Are you seriously comparing the best atmosphere we have had in a decade to literally the worst moment of the club since the roman era began? That seems like a perfectly sensible thing to do. Also, were the players playing for the badge? Were they just in a bad form or were they tanking purposefully, specially the likes of costa. I think we all know the answer to it, because of which i dont grudge him throwing those multi-millionare prima-donnas under the bus, one bit.

PLease read the whole thing, you will get which team i am comparing with.

The trophy point is irrelevant to the discussion. The point I am trying to make is the quality of the clubs that Jose is taking over. This spurs squad is better than that Chelsea squad. Totally agree with the medic point. The eva-gate was shambles but hardly something that brought the worst season Vibe. Was not that in the first or second game of the season? As for throwing the players under the bus, did they deserve anything else? The fuckers bottled it, and that's the truth. Again, I don't think I have said Jose was absolved of every thing he did. I think it was a 3 way fuck up. If you think the players and board have no part in the 15/16, then I don't know what to say. I think we are digressing massively from where it all started, which was Jose needs hundreds of millions. Anyways.

If you have the resources, you use them. You don't shackle yourself with self imposed constraints. With the clubs Jose was a manger of (Chelsea, RM, Chelsea, United), he had the resources, and he spent them, also in each of those clubs, there was a need to get immediate success, is that the case with spurs? If you do a swap deal, and come out with a better fit and cash, you should be praised for it. Like I said before, just looking at spend as a barometer is wrong, and I am sure you know that too. 94-95 : 11th 95-96 : 11th 96-97 : 6th 97-98 : 4th 98-99 : 3rd. 99-00 : 5th 00-01 : 6th 01-02 : 6th 02-03 : 4th So fair enough, a top 6 team who were closer to 10th than 1st though in terms of points? Definitely lower than spurs have been since poch has taken over. Massively agree to disagree here. A manager who knows that his team is in a dire need of reinforcements and does not get it, not because the club don't have the resources but because the club simply did not want to, has every right to feel aggrieved.

Read what I said in the first post. I think it was self explanatory. You said "he won't get hundreds of millions to spend", I said his most successful stints have been when he has not had hundreds of millions to spend. So I don't know why you are shifting goals posts now by bringing United in the picture. I think the point is can Jose do a good job with stringent transfer budget or not. And the answer is yes, he can, and he has. What a weird thing to say "big money spent is money spent". Really? So we would be fine selling Kante and getting let's say a washed out modric + 100m and saying that see, we spent 30/40m on modric. Cause that's exactly the kind of transfer ibra = etoo+cash was. Just looking at spend is wrong as it does not show how much quality the team lost compared to what's it gained. In his first stint here, he had a mid table team. Spurs are anything but that, they have some quality and are the CL finalist. I don't think this and that are comparable. As for his 2ns stint, a title challenge to the 2nd last week, and a PL title in the first 2 years off a team that has struggled to get top 4 in the 2 seasons before that (11/12, 12/13). Not bad, was it? Yes, things did not end well, but how much of it was on Jose and him reverting to his old self, how much on the board and how much on the players, is up for discussion. Only thing I would say is, he wanted a CM and a CB, as did Conte who got Kante and Luiz the next summer.

2008-09: Spent: 65.4, Sold: 7.6 2009-10: Spent: 94.2, Sold: 109.1 Total net spend = 42.9 for 2 seasons. I dont think that is anywhere near hundreds of millions. Also, I dont see a sense of counting etoo as a 30 mil buy when they lost one of the best strikers in world football in the same deal. Spurs have a net spend of 110 mil for the last 5 seasons, so pretty much in the same ball park. Is not it? When I said its been built of players doing his bidding, it was based on the fact that most of his success was not based on world class players playing teams out of the park. porto had no world class players when they won the CL. JT, DD, Lamps, Essien, Cole , ferreira, carvalho were not world class players in 04/05. I am not disagreeing that he HAS spent a lot. And infact, I feel that has been his downfall and the way spurs are might actually help him in that case. With a stingy budget and wages as well as poorer pull of the club, he will have to settle for tier B players. I also feel all of these things (budget constraints) would have been discussed by the likes of JOse and Levy before hand, would not it? As much as we would like, those people are not stupid and actually do know what they are doing.