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DavidEU

Nemanja Matic

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On 24/04/2017 at 8:42 AM, Leif said:

Options who'd do Matic's job better -

Allan or Jorginho from Napoli.
Nainggolan obviously.
Saul from Atletico.
Fabinho.
Gonalons.

And that's excluding the little but strong leagues like in Portugal & Belgium.

Funny when you say "And that's excluding the little but strong leagues like in Portugal & Belgium" because Matic was the BEST player in the portuguese league when he played there, not CM, best player of any position.

About the others, playing at Napoli/Lyon is different than playing for a top club, i don't watch a lot of Napoli/Lyon but it's a entirely different level being a starter for Chelsea, Nainggolan is probably a bit better but too expensive for his age. Fabinho is a good option but i like Saul the most of your list. 

We need another option anyway for depth but Matic job's is not an easy task, so picking a player performing well from some mid tier club is not guaranteed sucess, Matic was a monster for Benfica, the standards here are totally different.

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28 minutes ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Funny when you say "And that's excluding the little but strong leagues like in Portugal & Belgium" because Matic was the BEST player in the portuguese league when he played there, not CM, best player of any position.

About the others, playing at Napoli/Lyon is different than playing for a top club, i don't watch a lot of Napoli/Lyon but it's a entirely different level being a starter for Chelsea, Nainggolan is probably a bit better but too expensive for his age. Fabinho is a good option but i like Saul the most of your list. 

We need another option anyway for depth but Matic job's is not an easy task, so picking a player performing well from some mid tier club is not guaranteed sucess, Matic was a monster for Benfica, the standards here are totally different.

Matic was the BEST player in Portugal? Better than Jackson Martinez & James Rodriguez? Better than Alex Sandro? Better than Hulk & Moutinho? Better than Witsel? And Cardozo? Better than Rojo?
In what world? He had 1 and a half seasons of being a truly impressive, top player - by the standards they have in Portugal. Like you say, standards here are different, and he's crap here, straight crap for our standards. Whereas as well as them being equally good if not better then, even now in THIS team, I'd have more confidence in Rodriguez, Sandro, Moutinho, Rojo. 

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4 minutes ago, Leif said:

Matic was the BEST player in Portugal? Better than Jackson Martinez & James Rodriguez? Better than Alex Sandro? Better than Hulk & Moutinho? Better than Witsel? And Cardozo? Better than Rojo?
In what world? He had 1 and a half seasons of being a truly impressive, top player - by the standards they have in Portugal. Like you say, standards here are different, and he's crap here, straight crap for our standards. Whereas as well as them being equally good if not better then, even now in THIS team, I'd have more confidence in Rodriguez, Sandro, Moutinho, Rojo. 

he did win player of the year

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13 minutes ago, lucio said:

he did win player of the year

And Jonas, the failure Valencia held onto for too long, has won it twice in a row. This year, it'll probably be Mitroglou. Neither player has been the best player in any league in their lifetime.

Jamie Vardy won it last year. Does that define who he is? Was he the best player in the league? Chelsea material? 

Gilette win plenty of shaving awards, but go through their Amazon reviews and droves of people complain of the product breaking down quickly, followed by listing a healthy amount of better alternatives. If awards were meant to be taken seriously, Ronaldo would be the best player in the world right now :PHowever, he wouldn't be the best player in our team, and he isn't the best in Madrid's, nevermind the league, nevermind Europe.

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Many top quality players are from Portugal League but still that doesn't mean Matic is a top player. It will be hard for Chelsea to move forward with players like him in starting 11. 

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42 minutes ago, Leif said:

Matic was the BEST player in Portugal? Better than Jackson Martinez & James Rodriguez? Better than Alex Sandro? Better than Hulk & Moutinho? Better than Witsel? And Cardozo? Better than Rojo?
In what world? He had 1 and a half seasons of being a truly impressive, top player - by the standards they have in Portugal. Like you say, standards here are different, and he's crap here, straight crap for our standards. Whereas as well as them being equally good if not better then, even now in THIS team, I'd have more confidence in Rodriguez, Sandro, Moutinho, Rojo. 

Yes, he was the best when he was there, James peaked later, and i don't know why you listed a bunch of scrubs like Cardozo, Martinez, Hulk and Witsel.

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7 minutes ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Yes, he was the best when he was there, James peaked later, and i don't know why you listed a bunch of scrubs like Cardozo, Martinez, Hulk and Witsel.

Well like Matic, they were all great in Portugal, and all became shit once leaving. 

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1 hour ago, Leif said:

Well like Matic, they were all great in Portugal, and all became shit once leaving. 

Well, i rather Conte judging him then the great Leif, but to each his own.

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Matic had three brilliant seasons IMO, 2012/13 with Benfica, then 2013/14 and most of 2014/15. He decreased alot last season, while this season he is neither awful, neither at his best. When he came from Benfica, he was alot more dynamic and agressive, he also tried to dribble more. During late stages of title season he became very pragmatic, much like the rest of squad, bar Eden and Costa. He played safe, stayed back. And since then he never went back to his previous form, as if he lost grit. Its a shame realy, because he was truly imposing in 2014. That said, he always looked very good in CL.

I think he is nowhere near as bad as people point out. He is valuable player for this team and allows Kante to roam around, while he protects the back and does basics. However recent weeks we have been leaking in defence and Im not sure which fault it is, problably collective.

But I agree, we desperately need a better midfielder, someone who is more dynamic and better with ball. Matic plays in crucial position in midfield, if we had Alaba instead of Alonso, it would be easier, but in this case Matic is the main link on our left midfield and he is awfuly poor in passing and ball control, bar some unbelievable moments. Comparing him with Fellaini in recent united game, Matic makes Fellaini look like Iniesta.

His role is certainly still important, so I would definately keep him next season. But we NEED to buy another quality midfielder.

Thankfuly for us, there are so many options like Nainggolan, Bakayoko, Tollisso, Saul, Weigl, and a plethora of others. No excuse not to sign someone. Its only up to Conte if he wants established player or up and coming one who will be a part of next Chelsea generation, then someone more physical or skilled.

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1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

But we NEED to buy another quality midfielder.

For what? If the Squad manages to win FA and League this Season in such an easy fashion, why wouldnt it do the same next Season?

And the Chances of winning the Champions League, with our without Matic, are slim anyway. A lot of Things have to go right and in the Teams Favor, to win both the EPL and the CL.

It's not like Chelsea is playing in a Vacation League like La Liga ore Serie A.

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2 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

For what? If the Squad manages to win FA and League this Season in such an easy fashion, why wouldnt it do the same next Season?

And the Chances of winning the Champions League, with our without Matic, are slim anyway. A lot of Things have to go right and in the Teams Favor, to win both the EPL and the CL.

It's not like Chelsea is playing in a Vacation League like La Liga ore Serie A.

People also said the same thing after 2014/15 season...

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2 hours ago, mashimaru161 said:

People also said the same thing after 2014/15 season...

Thats Football.

We could change the whole Squad and bring in Lionel Messi and Christiano Ronaldo ... and Success of any kind still wouldnt be guaranteed.

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2 hours ago, TheWiz said:

For what? If the Squad manages to win FA and League this Season in such an easy fashion, why wouldnt it do the same next Season?

2014/15 vs. 2015/16. Who doesn't learn from the past is bound to repeat it in the future.

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1 hour ago, manpe said:

2014/15 vs. 2015/16. Who doesn't learn from the past is bound to repeat it in the future.


That would be perfect. Just learn from the Past and win the League every Year .. and maybe the CL on top of that.

Football just doesnt work like that and if we kick out Matic, which would be highly stupendous as he is already an integral Part of the Team, for let's say Nainggollan ... and Chelsea fails to win anything next Season .. then who's next to sell fore another, supposedly better, player?

Nainggollan? Kante? Costa? Courtois? Ore let's just try another Coach ... There are many out there anyway.

 

The Culture of juggling integral Parts for Millions of Dollars instead of shaping Teamunity and developing blind Communication based on the Foundation already present leads Teams to nowhere.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, and Nainggollan would turn us into a CL Killing Machine next Season ... Dunno .. I just highly doubt it.

 

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12 minutes ago, TheWiz said:


That would be perfect. Just learn from the Past and win the League every Year .. and maybe the CL on top of that.

Football just doesnt work like that and if we kick out Matic, which would be highly stupendous as he is already an integral Part of the Team, for let's say Nainggollan ... and Chelsea fails to win anything next Season .. then who's next to sell fore another, supposedly better, player?

Nainggollan? Kante? Costa? Courtois? Ore let's just try another Coach ... There are many out there anyway.

 

The Culture of juggling integral Parts for Millions of Dollars instead of shaping Teamunity and developing blind Communication based on the Foundation already present leads Teams to nowhere.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, and Nainggollan would turn us into a CL Killing Machine next Season ... Dunno .. I just highly doubt it.

 

Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say kick out Matic. See the part you quoted from @BlueLyon post and I replied to what you replied to his quote.

This is what he wrote: " His role is certainly still important, so I would definately keep him next season. But we NEED to buy another quality midfielder.
You of course conveniently left out the part where he said he would keep Matic so you could troll with your fake love for the man.

If you don't think we need another quality midfielder then fair enough. If you don't think we need any new players and that this team can sustain success for years to come then you're fucking stupid. Tell me this, if your beloved Matic gets a lengthy injury who replaces him? Chalobah?

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5 hours ago, manpe said:

Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say kick out Matic. See the part you quoted from @BlueLyon post and I replied to what you replied to his quote.

This is what he wrote: " His role is certainly still important, so I would definately keep him next season. But we NEED to buy another quality midfielder.
You of course conveniently left out the part where he said he would keep Matic so you could troll with your fake love for the man.

If you don't think we need another quality midfielder then fair enough. If you don't think we need any new players and that this team can sustain success for years to come then you're fucking stupid. Tell me this, if your beloved Matic gets a lengthy injury who replaces him? Chalobah?

WTF are you talking about? I dont troll, Love ore Fake Love the Guy ... He is just a great Footballer .. and I would not replace him willy-nilly fore some EPL unproven DMs.

I don't even know why you are quoting someone else, I was replying to you when you said ... "Who doesnt learn from the Past, ... bla bla bla" - I mean, It's easy to throw such an empty Phrase right into the Room, but then you could go ahaead and at least explain what you mean.

I didnt say its not necessary fore a Club to reinforce the Squad with fresh Players ... But if you ore anyone else thinks that replacing or benching integral parts of a working Team is necessary, in order to sustain Quality and Success, then you are the stupid ones.

 

 

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23 hours ago, manpe said:

Didn't Mahrez?

Mahrez won the PFA players player of the year, Vardy won the writers player of the year.

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21 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

WTF are you talking about? I dont troll, Love ore Fake Love the Guy ... He is just a great Footballer .. and I would not replace him willy-nilly fore some EPL unproven DMs.

I don't even know why you are quoting someone else, I was replying to you when you said ... "Who doesnt learn from the Past, ... bla bla bla" - I mean, It's easy to throw such an empty Phrase right into the Room, but then you could go ahaead and at least explain what you mean.

I didnt say its not necessary fore a Club to reinforce the Squad with fresh Players ... But if you ore anyone else thinks that replacing or benching integral parts of a working Team is necessary, in order to sustain Quality and Success, then you are the stupid ones.

 

 

Ok I'll explain. BlueLyon proposed that we need an additonal midfielder while keeping Matic, you rejected the idea by saying that this very same squad can go on to do great things beyond this season. In 2015 we won the league, the following summer we didn't strengthen except for Pedro. Finished 10th. Not to mention seasons further in the past where we refused to upgrade our squad that used to win things, but struggled in later years. Mourinho or somebody said that if you don't bring in new blood every year, the squad becomes stale and too comfortable. I didn't say anything about kicking Matic out, neither did BlueLyon.

You didn't answer. If we keep this same squad next year, who replaces Matic when he is out for months? We've been lucky this year, he has always been available, but we have seen what happens when you take away one or two key players from our starting XI.

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