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BlueLion.

Oscar

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The article itself seems a bit of a paradox. The author doesn't really explain what an "advanced defensive midfielder" is, instead the author just throws out various unrelated specialist roles out there.

As for Oscar's role on Sunday, it's pretty simple what Mourinho told him to do. 1st half he was in an advanced role as a 10, 2nd half he dropped back to central midfield to bolster the centre and was even deeper than Matic on occasions.

His role this season has been a hybrid of a 10 and 8 with interchanges between him and Cesc and not a 10 and 6 like vs Arsenal.

imo he does.

What he basically says is that as teams are setting up their attack from deep, it makes no sense to have a DM positioned in the middle ahead of the defense. He's suggesting instead that attacking players should still play in the attacking zone of the pitch, except instead of being attack-minded, they should play a defensive role, even as high in the pitch as in the attack because theoretically no team is still employed the classic, attack-minded #10 - who was the guy the DM was designed to mark deep in the pitch.

It's an interesting view of the sport and I can see teams migrating to that kind of philosophy. Most teams seem to prefer to attack through the flanks or by countering because the middle had been so overcrowded. Which means the DLP are creating from deep - and should be stopped - and the wingers are taking control of the attack. I'm just confused by his inclusion of Messi as a winger, such as Robben, Ribery and Ronaldo. I don't see Messi as a winger, he's much more a forward imo, who plays most in the middle.

You need to see a lot more Real MAdrid games. Ozil when needed can do the defensive work well for a number 10. He is not a defensive midfielder.... Arsenal is a mess, they play like they were an incredible team and Wenger don't realise that football is different today.

With Mourinho he did it.

Ozil when needed does that job well like he did for 3 years, and also producing a lot in attack.

THe player that has problems doing what he is suposed to do is Oscar, not Ozil. Can you tell me one good season or one good competion of Oscar in this years?

Do you want to talk about Ozil in Real Madrid?

Oscar has a lot to improve if he wants to be a top player in a top club, and that last game... I'm sorry but again I don't see where is the amazing performance.

I've watched ALL La Liga matches in the last two seasons he played there, most of their Copa del Rey and Champions League matches. It's not easy to find someone who's watched more RM while Mourinho was there than me... but thanks for the advice.

And no, I don't want to talk about Ozil in RM. I think we've watched completely different players and among all RM fans I know (and I know tons of them), among all people following Ozil, you're the first one to mention in 5 years that he has a good work-rate. I swear you are.

You did realize I'm not talking about Oscar anymore, right? Oscar is a top player, playing in a top club, in what used to be a top NT too (although 4th place in the WC isn't that bad). He's also a 23-yo, under development and who shone for Chelsea and Brazil NT on several occasions and who also faded to nothing in other numerous times. He needs consistency and he needs improvement and he isn't yet at the level Ozil once was.

And he had an amazing performance Sunday praised by many pundits, fans and people. You just happen to disagree.

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You need to see a lot more Real MAdrid games. Ozil when needed can do the defensive work well for a number 10. He is not a defensive midfielder.... Arsenal is a mess, they play like they were an incredible team and Wenger don't realise that football is different today.

With Mourinho he did it.

Ozil when needed does that job well like he did for 3 years, and also producing a lot in attack.

THe player that has problems doing what he is suposed to do is Oscar, not Ozil. Can you tell me one good season or one good competion of Oscar in this years?

Do you want to talk about Ozil in Real Madrid?

Oscar has a lot to improve if he wants to be a top player in a top club, and that last game... I'm sorry but again I don't see where is the amazing performance.

you may not have noticed but Ozil is playing at Arsenal tho many think he just stands around

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Oscar was given a job to do on Sunday and judging from the reaction of Jose, his teammates and the positive result, he succeeded.

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http://www.theoriginalcoach.com/#!the-advanced-defensive-midfielder/c937

Thought this article was pretty interesting. Do you think Jose is trying to cultivate this "advanced defensive midfielder" role with Oscar?

Wonderful read.

i think teams are doing the same with Liverpool and Gerrard. Hence the early struggle (among other things...).

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Thought this article was pretty interesting. Do you think Jose is trying to cultivate this "advanced defensive midfielder" role with Oscar?

If Oscar can keep this up, one might even consider to put him next to Fabregas as containing midfielder and replace Matic (who I think is doing very well, don't get me wrong) by a second Hazard-type player (if two such players would exist) to really tear up defenses relentlessly!

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If Oscar can keep this up, one might even consider to put him next to Fabregas as containing midfielder and replace Matic (who I think is doing very well, don't get me wrong) by a second Hazard-type player (if two such players would exist) to really tear up defenses relentlessly!

No. Matic is fundamental player for our defense!

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And now we say that faults are a good contribution for the team...

Because in tackles, interceptions and blocks there are no diference between the players.

In attack he does almost nothing. If that's waht we should expect from Oscar, buy Khedira, Pogba Vidal, or put Ramires on the field, because they do it a lot better.

Kind of how like Cristiano never plays like a winger and a good teammate..Rather than whip in crosses and passes, hes takes 10 shots a game.

Rather than whip in set pieces, he takes long shots..

Portugal would be so much better with an inform Figo..

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Better question is would Ozil be better in this Chelsea team?

TBH, if Chelsea has Cesc, you dont need Ozil as much imo. Ozil and Silva are 2 of my favorite players, but I dont think Ozil wouldnt improve Chelsea with the current team that Chelsea fields out.

Now, Pogba, modric, vidal, Gundogan I can understand as upgrades.

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Do people honestly think that guys like Oscar and Willian want to press all game long or they do what they manager wants them to do?

Im sure if both were given a free role, than people wouldnt be complaining so much about either of them....

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Do people honestly think that guys like Oscar and Willian want to press all game long or they do what they manager wants them to do?

Im sure if both were given a free role, than people wouldnt be complaining so much about either of them....

Defensive discipline and work-rate are two of the most difficult mental attributes for football players. The fans may not recognize and appreciate that, but I am certain that managers do.

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Defensive discipline and work-rate are two of the most difficult mental attributes for football players. The fans may not recognize and appreciate that, but I am certain that managers do.

Some fans actually think attacking players want to track back and defend constantly...

In most team sports, no one wants to do both constantly and consistenly...

american football, basketball, etc...

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Some fans actually think attacking players want to track back and defend constantly...

In most team sports, no one wants to do both constantly and consistenly...

american football, basketball, etc...

I think it may be a natural part of some players' game. Rooney for example is someone who I think naturally will come back to help his team defend. In a way I think Oscar is similar in that it would be unnatural for him not to come back and help out.

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