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Tobey Gibson

12. Ruben Loftus-Cheek

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27 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Can't speak for anyone else but it's not based on coming back early from pre season for me and just arriving, i have been fighting my instincts for years trying to convince myself he's good enough but i every time i see him i become even more sure he found his level at Palace. His case gets worse now Sarri's here as he doesn't play with anywhere near the intensity required.

When it comes to Bakayoko and Drinkwater, Ruben's a moot point, those two if they stay will be cover for Kante and Jorginho while RLC will be cover/competition for Barkley/Cesc, so ultimately the former two have literally no influence on what happens with RLC.

I think he needs to be given a chance. He by no means deserves to walk right in and command a place in the starting XI but he definitely earned his place amongst the squad last season and in the summer. Slightly off topic but for me not only is Bakayoko not good enough on the ball,but he doesn't even press well which was supposedly going to be one of his other strengths. He cannot be cover for any of our midfielders in my opinion.

What Sarri has shown (albeit forced) this pre-season is that without Kante he has played two players more offensive minded in Fabregas and Barkley. If Kante were unavailable I believe he would revert to this under preference of the ability of said players as opposed to if a far inferior player is a little more suited to the role. This is where I think RLC would have a chance for game time.

I'm not rating him to the same degree that the media have over this summer, but he has earned his opportunity to prove himself over a season this year. Bakayoko and Drinkwater as far as I'm concerned had their chances last year and didn't take them (Bakayoko in particular had plenty!).

The other thing I would worry about is if Chelsea let RLC go it would be an extremely high profile player from our academy, without really getting any chances at Chelsea. The media would be all over this, and eventually there has to be more and more questions asked about why players cannot get through into our first team. The biggest worry about this is if it starts rubbing off on the academy players coming through. We've already lost a couple of fairly highly rated youngsters over the last couple of seasons under such circumstances and the last thing we need is more to be encouraged to follow suit.

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31 minutes ago, DYC. said:

Why does every Chelsea youth need to be a star in the first team? A youth academy doesn't need to produce John Terrys to be of use to the first team. How about producing Cahills first?

Do that and you don't end up wasting money on the likes of Zappacosta and Drinkwater.

Or a Bakayoko either.  When you've already got a Chalobah.

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On 2.8.2018 at 9:39 PM, Sideshow Luiz said:

Or a Bakayoko either.  When you've already got a Chalobah.

Its because most academy graduates cant wait for first team football and rather go to a smaller club to be starters then be fringe players here. I don't get why and I think it is a distinct error in the system. We should train and educate at least some of them to be squad players here their whole career. Chalobah who we sold for 5m was no worse than Drinkwater who we bougt at 27, for 35m (pounds!  like 40m €) jsut because we could not get him sold on the idea of being a squad player here. which is our fault cos he spent most of his teenage years running around at our training grounds. Peoples minds can be formed when they are young and we should educate them with a bit more humble attitude and devotedness to the club.  

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2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Its because most academy graduates cant wait for first team football and rather go to a smaller club to be starters then be fringe players here. I don't get why and I think it is a distinct error in the system. We should train and educate at least some of them to be squad players here their whole career. Chalobah who we sold for 5m was no worse than Drinkwater who we bougt at 27, for 35m (pounds!  like 40m €) jsut because we could not get him sold on the idea of being a squad player here. which is our fault cos he spent most of his teenage years running around at our training grounds. Peoples minds can be formed when they are young and we should educate them with a bit more humble attitude and devotedness to the club.  

See all youth wants to play for club one day. But club doesnt show faith in them. 

If Chalobah was given same respect and trust like Bakayoko was, he would be eager to stay here and fight.

Agree about being patient though. People laugh at Lingard, but the kid actualy stayed and fought for his place, despite he was already quite old for "talent". He isnt great player, but I would love our youth had similar mentality. Fight for the place. 

Chelsea created this stupid common knowledge that young players wont be given much playtime and everyone knows it. The way we treat our loanees is nothing short of embarassing. We had RLC, Chalobah, Baker, Palmer. Neither got any real chance yet and probably never will. 

Winning youth player of the year rewards you with endless loan to holland or championship or season with first team where you get 3 games. And allright if your rivals are Ballack, Essien, Lamps...but fucking Bakayoko, Drinkwater or aging Fabregas given more faith and trust? F*ck, I would leave tomorrow too. 

One thing is buying world class players. Another is buying world class talents.

But buying average dipshits to fill squad, when you have youth who is at least as good? Club simply didnt trust Chalobah like they trusted Drinkwater for being more " experienced and reliable". No wonder he decided to leave.

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Who the hell is going to cover Fabregassedout, Jorginho or Barkley is they get injured or tired? 

Bakayoko or Drinkwater? Please No.

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8 minutes ago, DDA said:

Who the hell is going to cover Fabregassedout, Jorginho or Barkley is they get injured or tired? 

Bakayoko or Drinkwater? Please No.

Sarri hint last week he wants another midfielder before the transfer window closed maybe that's probably why we loan out RLC

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I really would have liked to see him play alongside Jorginho and Kante, instead of Drinkyoko. 

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1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

 

 

I really would have liked to see him play alongside Jorginho and Kante, instead of Drinkyoko. 

hah during the game (against Lyon) RLC dropped back several times and every time he did, looked a lot better than both Drinkwater and Bakayoko.

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I still see him as a B2B player.  He's a bit clumsy, but if he could work on his defensive side, his power would make him a lot to handle in a B2B role.

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he has the most important: technique

The rest is really up to him. Manager and the club (coaches) are def there to help him get that last polish until he can routinely play.

Really like him as a player and think he's improved a lot since last year, esp work rate. He's already a far better player than Bakayoko will ever be, so don't see why we should loan him to just sign someone not as good. Glad he's staying!

 

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Love the mentality of Ruben deciding to stay at Chelsea. 

He will get so much guidance and tutelage under Sarri training under him the entire season. And 2nd - with Europa league, I have no doubt he will get playing time and first team starts. 

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11 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

Love the mentality of Ruben deciding to stay at Chelsea. 

He will get so much guidance and tutelage under Sarri training under him the entire season. And 2nd - with Europa league, I have no doubt he will get playing time and first team starts. 

Agreed, It was a decision he needed to make to show his intent. Once the games start coming fast and furious he will be playing alot and in a system that suits his skillset. He looked to move the ball forward a bit quicker than Barkley on saturday. Obviously came on when huddersfield was tired but still, if he can build a bit each time he is on the pitch thats a positive for the team. Talk about an overhaul of our midfield from weakness to strength.

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15 minutes ago, Blusan Alamb said:

Should go to Schalke! Will be good for him.

It will be better for him to stay there is much benefit the training, reps, and mentoring he will get under Sarri. Personally believe all those plus the comfortability he would have in Sarri system outweighs consistent 90m in a another league. 

 

 

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