BlueLyon

I guess people still didnt learn from the past experiences. Honeymoon is kicking in realy nice with Tuchel right now. You dont build a squad overnight. If you want to build team that will win stuff again it takes time. Yet with Chelsea its always poor period, sack the manager and then we have new manager and his honeymoon time and everyone is happy like people are right now with Tuchel and then reality hits. Only this time our football is one big snoozefest. Dont get me wrong, we are doing fine in football terms. We won to shit Liverpool (that is realy shit atm so we shouldnt put too much on that), we also drew with United and defeated Atletico (they were poor too and we will se how we do against them in reverse when they will probably go guns out). I admit, our defence looks solid after a long long time and I like that alot. We snooze the opponents with passing which omits their chances etc. But longterm what future is there? Rudiger isnt a long term option. Tomori or Zouma are. Yes it would take more time to mold them, but if its done you have a great CB. Rudiger is just a stop gap and it will show. As you say others dont perform, exactly. They need more time but everyone seems to demand and expect instant success 🙄. Same applies to other washed up players who are good temporary but will fail in the longterm like many times before. Werner is a system player and I have no idea how anyone could place a counter attacking striker in possesion based side. People said he improved on the ball but not enough. Back then in the rumours, I said the same thing he doesnt fit this style. And I dont want to sound super smart or whatever but it was obvious and how could the board not see it. His horrendous finishing doesnt help either, thats a surprise because he was missing chances, but not this much. Ziyech, I said he is too slow and weak for PL to play on wings. But I honestly expected he will be one of those lazy, clearly outmuscled footballers who still have loads of creativity and he will create and wow the fans with some magical passing etc because he seemed to simply enjoy playing football and has lot of natural talent. Sadly he is just a shell in his creative side too right now. Chilwell. We paid premium on decent but average fullback. People said it. Their grandmother knew it. There were better options. Would Milan for example turn down strong offer for Hernandez in covid times? Then there is Havertz. I said we should give young players a chance indeed and now that he is actualy here, there is no other choice. But why was HE bought? What position can he be actualy great at? His work rate stinks completely. We saw it in bayer games, he is a relative to Ozil in that aspect. There are games where whole 11 need to give defensive shift. Hazard, Ronaldo look like heavy workers compared to Kai. Just walking around. But hey it works with some players. Kai on other hand isnt world class in creativity, finishing or dribbling to do anything. He either scores a goal or goes invisible. But he may become more efficient in the future, I just dont see him become a player for a CL winning side for example. Doesnt have a position and doesnt have a work rate. Should have gone for Sancho and that isnt hindsight, I said this when we didnt sign either yet. Finaly when you say Jorginho and Kovacic perform. Yes they do perform in the style we play now, they are important players in this setup. But entertainment wise, they got to be the most boring pivot in history. Dont have the balls to try anything, always play safe and pose 0 threat for opponent area. Again, they clearly work in system (until they dont, "wink" Jorgi), but watching them pass sideways is the biggest borefest ever. Yes, this board is horrific. How can you justify spending 200m, apparently full trust in Lampsy, bring his favourites and then show no patience again and sack him? Not saying sacking was wrong in this case, but again said in summer, we should have a fucking DOF with actual knowledge and a long term plan. Not bring a manager build team for him and then bring different manager. Use stop gaps. Eventualy that fails too. Rinse and repeat. The club needs a strategy. Needs objectives and long term goal with STEADY & CONTINUOUS improvement. Much like the stocks, slow and steady instead of volatile ups and downs for short gains like we are doing it. We need brains, someone who knows how to operate in the football world. And then pick the right players and manager(s). The board didnt fix that in about 10 years, so they are fully responsible and I dont know how can you tolerate it. I swear people just forget about everything when couple of good results kick in. Its like that definition, we keep doing same things, expecting different results... Yeah it was a bit overreaction in first post 😄, but the point is there.

Our board is still on track of being complete shite. Buying counter attacking Werner to play possesion football, spending ton on Havertz while not knowing where to even play him. Continuously returning to washed up players like Alonso, Rudiger just because they have status. Playing Kovacic and Jorginho who are the most boring midfield pairing in the history of football. Just side passes and back passes over and over. Getting rid of players that are actualy good like Tomori or Lamptey. Then the lack of patience, changing the managers all the time its allways a step forward and then two steps back. We spent shitload on players, yet we play worse, we sacked manager, Havertz, Werner, Ziyech are massively underperforming, we are back to playing players who have no long term place here. Where is the vision? Why was Tuchel brought to play fucking Alonso or Rudiger again who have proved 100 times they arent capable of performing consistently. Marina, Cech, Roman or whoever is in charge of the transfers and our long term objectives can fuck off from this club because it is getting us nowhere. I dont understand how anyone tolerates this kind of crap that is going on with our club.

Yeah true, he was getting bulkier for a while now. Even pre corona, he wasnt skinny like before anymore. But even in this time, its very hard to put on muscle and remain lean like Goretzka. Whenever you want to get bigger, you first bulk up, gain decent amount of kg and quite some of it is fat. You could get realy big, but there would be more and more fat. With shirt on, it would still look ridiculous and people would wonder how is that possible in such short time. But yeah there would be some fat under. Next step is to tone it down to whatever body fat % you want. Thats the "easy" method. If you go straight to just muscle gain, it takes much much longer. And its not easy. You need to maintain cardio to keep fat at low, eat healthy with very strict diet. But the training is hard because you spent alot of energy on cardio, hence the gain is way slower. You lift smaller weights, because its hard to lift bigger ones if you are lean. Thats why those powerlifters often pack some fat. For athletes its certainly easier. Better training monitoring, best possible food intake and given you train your whole life, muscle memory helps you gain much faster than a rookie doing it for the first time. Goretzka got ridiculously bigger and also kept the body fat % at very very very low level. When you do legs, testosterone levels go up. And that also helps you gain muscle. With Goretka, he still has same tiny legs he had 1 year ago. Not to mention he looks 10 years older. There is just one explanation here because in a single year, you cant change THAT much around the face. I went from 65kg to 85kg in 1,5years and indeed you look somewhat different, but not by this much. It also took another year to tone it down and still dont look super lean like I would want to, but once you go into that deficit, you always feel hungry and weak when training, so its difficult. Bottom line. Goretzka was skinny his whole life. If he was big and then lean, its way easier to get back in short time, because muscle memory. Him doing this for the first time, its just impossible without some roids. He cerainly didnt have naturaly muscular body for that like Davies has for example which would maybe explain his transformation in such short time.

That about Drinks is false. We had Chalobah who could fill that squad role and many pointed that out. Obviously the player has to be talented or good, otherwise whats the point of buying them? There are always fair priced options we could target. Players like Davies, Robertson,...are always out there but our scouts never seem to find them or the management doesnt have faith (Salah, Kdb). Then you mix one or two from youth and finaly a few world class players. Some will be more and some less affordable.

I was never very happy about kepa or morata. The former, I didnt know well enough and he didnt prove himself. But okay if the board thinks he is that good. I wouldnt pay this money on him. Secondly, I didnt rate Morata. Neither Lukaku. It was just picking the lesser evil. Again shouldnt pay. Everyone knew Drinkwater was awful idea. Im certain 90% of this forum could pick a cheaper and better alternative. Maybe some loved it, I didnt. Admitedly, I rated Bakayoko tbh. But thats one player. On other hand, I was super excited about Hazard and Kante when they came. It was clear they will fit perfectly and become world class for Chelsea. I honestly dont have that feeling about any of the transfers we made. Ziyech isnt fast for a winger, Werner has yet to prove his quality against parked buses. Kai is fantastic talent indeed, but IMO didnt impress me like Hazard did in Lille. That said they are all likely to succeed here. I had mixed feelings about Pulisic, but he impressed me so far. As for this summer. Hmm. I would prefer Sancho and cheaper Lb instead of Chilwell and Kai. We shall see if the board made smart choices.

Isnt wolves squad ridiculously short on english players?

I lowkey hope it is our record haha. It adds prestige and at least kepa wouldnt be the most expensive one anymore.

Thats false because I remember well board received much love for signing Kante. Given how many shit signings we made, yes it didnt happen often though. Look no board is perfect. There will be shit signing or two in every club. But take a look at the last 5 years or so and count how many players we bought actualy played realy valuable role and proved to be reliable long term choice, ie a smart move and how many flops or signings with zero planning what to do with them. Kepa was a flop. Morata was a flop. Baka flop. Wont even go with Drinkwater. Emerson didnt fill the expectations. Barkley was a weird signing too. Zappacosta pointless. Jorginho didnt reach expectations. Rudiger didnt reach expectations. Probably forgot a few others. Kante was great. Alonso for me, given the price was ok buy IMO. And then with Pulisic it started to improve again. I mean take a look at that era and check how many pointless signings there are. You cant tell if Baka will flop. But thats one player. We had 10 flops at least. Thats not bad luck, thats terrible board decisions.

Yup pretty much this. She gets the praise when good players come...when its the bad ones its ohh but she is only a negotiatiator, a financial expert. But Marina isnt the problem per se. The problem is that she is second in command, and as such responsible for not just financials, but scouting, planning etc. And she is only expert in financials. Obviously she doesnt do scouting herself, but she is in charge of high level decisions along with Roman. If Cech has a suggestion in scouting, its definately not his call, but needs approval by a higher member; Marina or Roman (given Roman trusts Marina, its likely her decision). Her negotiation skills are great. As is her financial knowledge. But she is second in command and has much much greater responsibility and power. And she doesnt have football knowledge like many second in command members at other clubs have. And thats the whole point. You cant have someone with such limited expertise in charge of scouting decisions or team building. Or, if you have, then its her damn responsibility ffs. Lastly, everyone is creaming over this window when season didnt even start. Lets wait how these new players settle in, then we talk about how smart our summer was. Usualy its never good to change half of starting 11, but maybe Lamps does wonders.

So now we are speaking in english? My bad, I thought we were writing in english... If I gave you a mark for your responses, it would be unfair. But Pete will happily do it; And yes Slovenia is a very nice country, thanks. Now if you want to be a bit more educated about footie from my country since you are so interested; NK Triglav is like Nottingham Forrest. Once they were good, now not so much. Dont recommend to support them, they reached peak ages ago. You would get bored to death. But Olimpija and Maribor are "the" teams now, there is even extra spice of corruption to make it realy entertaining. You know Jan Oblak though, right? Or Luka Doncic to get you even more informed about what else we have in other sports, now it makes me wonder; is basketball in UK even a thing? While this was entertaining, it was a bit too easy and im getting bored. So better to end it now before mods get mad haha. Looking forward to your future arguments though😉 Cheers and much love from Slovenia

There were quite a few comments from you, so Im pretty sure you checked up on this forum quite regularly, but ok if you want to play that card. Picking on my language and country from where I am? Haha are you one of those entitled english pricks then? And so you know, there are many people who speak more understanding english than brits, but fair play you speak the language of a country where you were born better compared to a non-native speaker. Mad respect there brother. Hopefuly you dont sound like Harry Kane though, that would be a bummer. Also, you still didnt get the lightbulb thing, did you? 😀

1.) You are incredibly fast in forming constructive replies, I see. I mean Kai transfer impressed me, but this is on another level. 2.) In your locker? Who are you trying to impress mate? 😄 3.) Please check 30 watt led lightbulb and maybe you will figure it out eventualy 😂 I dont even need to make a counter reply here, you just shot yourself in the leg. Talk about dimmer lol.

This signing came completely out of the blue. Welcome Kai

Tbh Nike deal until 2032 for 60m was never great. It was great back then when signed and maybe for a couple years, but with more and more money in football, most big clubs would get better deals by the 2025. What was plenty in 2018 would be norm in 2025, never mind 2032. And then we would have to break the contract, much like we did with adidas. Because contracts worth doubled and adidas didnt have to improve that since we were stupid enough to sign such a long term contract. These super long term contracts were good for united or real, who went into crazy crazy numbers that will be maybe matched in 2030. 60m is a figure easy to be reached by arsenal, city,...teams that have inferior role compared to Chels. Just look at arse. Went from puma (30m per year) to adidas (60m per year). Liverpool went from 40m per year to 70m per year. City went from 12m per year with Nike to 65m with Puma. Still think 60m is anywhere near a good deal in 12 years time? 😂 oh and on top of that we had to pay 300m termination fee. Not to mention, for whatever reason adidas refused to give us 60m per year, but they gave it to arse. Great negotiations indeed. More like a big fuck you by adidas and we went to a company that makes lesser good looking kits. If Pulisic truly becomes superstar, we could have even more leverage, but not now with contract already there. But yeah, thanks to corona, it will halt the price increases, so the difference wont be this massive.

Giroud with 29 PL goals. You heard it here first😄