Thor 2,701 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 1 hour ago, Vesper said: no De Bruyne will go down as far better v Hazard was a passenger for all those Real trophies as well What do I care about these "awards". I never mentioned anything about more accomplished. They literally played at the same time, at times on the same team, and Hazard was the better player. He played football better. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 KDB was the more rounded player with shooting and vision that Eden never had. Eden had a bit more tight control and a lot more dribbling ability. However, for me the big difference between the 2 was teamwork, aggression, the mental aspects of the game. Eden does not have a single great game in the toughest stages of the CL, for ex. Wasn't the most dedicated player in games or in training; multiple reports from former teammates indicate that. For me, personally, KDB was the more dangerous player esp with his shooting ability -- difficult to defend against that. Down to stats and awards, there is really no comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,701 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 Its like the World Cup doesn't exist where we saw KDB be a passenger and Eden constantly carry them with historically great performances. Easy to look better when KDB has consistently throughout his career had a better team. Arbitrary and non measurable things are typically what we resort to citing when you can't explain. I don't ever remember KDB being in the Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar contest. Eden was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 1 hour ago, Thor said: What do I care about these "awards". I never mentioned anything about more accomplished. They literally played at the same time, at times on the same team, and Hazard was the better player. He played football better. on balance of their career, no, no he did not the stats, the trophies, and the awards (yes they do count at some level) bear this out I would take peak De Bruyne over peak Hazard as well, especially as peak De Bruyne lasted far longer I really do not care if me holding this opinion makes me hated here I am not going to state an opinion I do not believe in just to get pats on the head robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,701 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 Literally can't remember one great game KDB had for Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,318 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 KDB can only dream playing for Boehly. Sir Mikel OBE and robsblubot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 To be fair I can’t remember Belgium having a great game themselves. They wasted a golden generation on Wilmots and Martinez. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thor said: Its like the World Cup doesn't exist where we saw KDB be a passenger and Eden constantly carry them with historically great performances. Easy to look better when KDB has consistently throughout his career had a better team. Arbitrary and non measurable things are typically what we resort to citing when you can't explain. I don't ever remember KDB being in the Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar contest. Eden was. Can only really speak about the game I really paid attention to, Brazil vs Belgium quarter finals in 2018; yes, Eden played well, pulled good counters against one of the weakest RB Brazil has ever employed (he played in the Brazilian league at the time ffs), but it was KDB shooting from afar that won the game. 🤷♂️ https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1296533/Live/International-FIFA-World-Cup-2018-Brazil-Belgium Ah yes, KDB was MotM in that game for most people (and sites), myself included. Belgium never became a top tier team despite having a few top tier players in their "golden generation." you really need 11+ elite players to win a WC and Belgium never came close to having that IMO. Edited May 5, 2024 by robsblubot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,701 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 34 minutes ago, robsblubot said: Can only really speak about the game I really paid attention to, Brazil vs Belgium quarter finals in 2018; yes, Eden played well, pulled good counters against one of the weakest RB Brazil has ever employed (he played in the Brazilian league at the time ffs), but it was KDB shooting from afar that won the game. 🤷♂️ https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1296533/Live/International-FIFA-World-Cup-2018-Brazil-Belgium Ah yes, KDB was MotM in that game for most people (and sites), myself included. Belgium never became a top tier team despite having a few top tier players in their "golden generation." you really need 11+ elite players to win a WC and Belgium never came close to having that IMO. Literally all the headlines from that game were praising Hazard and Lukaku. Scoring the decider will always put you in good stead for the MOTM though. Again, against France, Hazard carried and KDB disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,701 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 I'm not saying KDB isn't great - he just wasn't as impactful as Hazard. No shame in that. Its far easier playing for City than it is Chelsea. They've always had a more talented team than us even when we were winning titles against them. They've just been better managed as a club on an all around level for maintained success and continuity. If Hazard had ended up on Man City or Liverpool - you'd be talking about him as just under Ronaldo and Messi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,503 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 2 hours ago, robsblubot said: you really need 11+ elite players to win a WC and Belgium never came close to having that IMO. That 2014 Germany side didn't have 11 elite players and the same can be said about Argentina's world cup win as well. You just need enough quality in key positions, which is what Belgium didn't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vesper 30,164 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 (edited) draw works for me I hate 'em both with a burning passion of a thousand suns (and Manure) Edited May 5, 2024 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 actually, NO come on Pool we can still catch Spuds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 Hehe spurs will get smashed. The same way we clicked at the end they have switched off. in Brazil we call it, “virou o fio” as in the fitness levels started a descending curve which is affecting all aspects of their game plan. there is no recovering from this. Good for them there aren’t many matches left eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 Spuds have completely shut it down for the season. Vesper and robsblubot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 5 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said: That 2014 Germany side didn't have 11 elite players and the same can be said about Argentina's world cup win as well. You just need enough quality in key positions, which is what Belgium didn't have. Sure but the weaker players will hurt your chances. Germany 14 was pretty rounded team and had good options on the bench. Argentina had Messi and number of strong players who were unknown then like our Enzo and Alvarez, macalister too. The big WC winners have the know how and a lot of strength in depth. Sometimes they lack quality, but the depth is usually there. smaller countries like Belgium and Portugal always struggle with the depth part. I knew that Ronaldo wouldn’t be enough for Portugal at the WC for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 Spuds just getting smashed would LOVE for them to lose the rest and we grab 5th (thus no way Manure can fuck us out of the Europa League with an FA Cup win) although then I will be enraged that the EPL lost that 5th CL spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 4 1 the cunts scored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,164 Posted May 5, 2024 Share Posted May 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, Vesper said: Spuds just getting smashed ffs classic jinx now 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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